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Post by Jibbs on Jul 25, 2022 18:24:46 GMT -5
14. Captain America: Civil War (2016) It’s not often I binge the Marvel movies through, so I tried to take extra care in analyzing the sense that went into the dynamic shift of Civil War. And this is a movie I've always had trouble with. Did it get there organically? Do the character’s actions make sense? And I would say this time through I was impressed that it does seem to hold up fairly well. It’s born out of Tony screwing up and allowing Ultron to lead to many deaths (though they oddly leave out that connection and just refer to it as “Avengers killing innocents in Sokovia”), some characters want a change and some don’t, and tensions escalate out of Cap’s stubbornness to help his friend Bucky. Though I still can’t help but to hang on the oddity that Cap and Tony appear to be on opposite sides of what we would have imagined. Did they do this for that very reason? Is this just what the comics did for some reason? If this movie was called Iron Man 4, would Tony be on the fun rebel side while Cap was the Boy Scout who tried to pull him back in? This is the first movie in my rewatch though where I felt the movie was too long. Despite a fair amount of action, there were definitely parts not in the final acts where I got a bit bored. Would have removing the set ups for Spider-Man and Black Panther have helped? Maybe, but I’m still not sure. They fit alright in the movie, and if anything, it’s Ant-Man’s appearance that was by far the most forced. They literally kidnapped him to fight superheroes, and he was like “well sure, OK.” Despite its flaws, when this movie hits, it hits hard. From about the airport battle on, it’s all gravy. Great action, new character interactions, and a good twist involving Iron Man and the Winter Soldier’s past. What I like about it is it has come just after Tony and Cap are about to bury the hatchet. Tony has figured out that Bucky did NOT bomb the UN, but suddenly it’s much worse for him personally with the news of his parents and of course Cap still has to stick to his side. Unfortunately the movie does NOT stick the landing, and felt the need to have Cap write Tony a cutesy little apology letter. As if we were all worried there wouldn’t be any more Marvel films. Best part: Airport battle. Worst part: The letter to Tony isn’t even that bad or out of character. What really grinds my gears is the last line of the letter/movie “If you need me, I’ll be there.” C’mon, you almost killed each other a couple minutes ago. ***/****13. Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) You could argue that Age of Ultron is the most pure sci-fi film of the MCU, so that’s probably why I hold this film to higher regards than many others. There’s a lot of fun artificial intelligent scenarios in this one, all stemming from an Asimov-ian idea that on a purely logical level, the only way to protect humans is to wipe them out. There are many other threads out of this one and the movie certainly gets a little muddled, but I think it’s very solid and enjoyable throughout. It has a rarely unique villain that not only isn’t organic, but also the direct result of the good guys (Tony Stark). This meshes well with the rising theme (peaking at Civil War) of the Avengers perhaps not being the best thing for the World. Best part: Cap making Mjolnir move. Worst part: City over city. Over the years I’ve made peace with the monotony that goes into designing the final act, but this one isn’t just ending with a city in danger, but it’s like having a city over a city that needs city-sized jets to even work. I’m saying it’s weird. ***/****
12. Ant-Man (2015)
Solid example of B-Tier Marvel. Not exactly bigger than life, but solid all the way through and a very fun time. (And I’ve always been a sucker for the funny ones). Ant-Man’s strongest selling point is its micro action scenes and sets which is done with as little CGI as possible and gives us a fresh take on superhero combat and settings. Paul Rudd is perfectly cast as Scott Lang and a great addition to the MCU. Best Part: Ant-Man versus Yellowjacket finale. A breath of fresh air final act that has the perfect fusion of small-scale action and large humor, mostly taking place on a child’s train set. I think it’s also fair to connect Scott’s brief journey into the Quantum Realm. Worst part: I always thought it was silly the Yellowjacket suit was protected by a 5mm wide tube with defense lasers. So, what, they knew this tube was a weak point against shrinking superheroes? Why is there a tube at all? ***/****
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 25, 2022 18:58:11 GMT -5
I don’t hate Age of Ultron like some people do, but ranking it above Civil War? Hmmm, hmmm indeed.
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Though I still can’t help but to hang on the oddity that Cap and Tony appear to be on opposite sides of what we would have imagined. Did they do this for that very reason? Is this just what the comics did for some reason? If this movie was called Iron Man 4, would Tony be on the fun rebel side while Cap was the Boy Scout who tried to pull him back in? Given Winter Soldier was all about Cap learning the government had been thoroughly infiltrated by Hydra I think his reluctance to hand over authority to a shady government agency fits pretty well. Tony also believes in enforcing control so his perspective also makes sense. I like this idea in theory but I think it's bungled by Whedon going out of his way to show the Avengers saving lives in the final battle, which was definitely read as a "teehee Joss Whedon rules and Zack Snyder sucks" back in 2015. Funny how things change. Fair take, though I think the movie is let down by its convoluted screenplay (the structure loans itself to Hank Pym being the protagonist, Scott Lang is shoehorned in) and Yellowjacket being one of the worst MCU villains. |
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 25, 2022 20:23:00 GMT -5
BTW, I don't recall if I hinted this at all in my two Captain America reviews, thus far, but I haaaate Bucky. Or rather, I just don't give a shit about him. Which is unfortunate when it comes to movies like Civil War where his friendship with Cap almost breaks the world.
I remember when I was getting into the MCU early on, but still didn't know some of the phase one movies so well. So when I saw Winter Soldier, I thought for sure Bucky was a big deal in First Avenger. But then I go back and watch it and he's in it for like 5 minutes and then dies.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 25, 2022 21:10:58 GMT -5
The main problem with Civil War is Tony was right and the film tries to convince us otherwise
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 25, 2022 21:41:23 GMT -5
I don’t hate Age of Ultron like some people do, but ranking it above Civil War? Hmmm, hmmm indeed. Yeah, that's...a choice. |
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Post by Dracula on Jul 25, 2022 22:05:10 GMT -5
BTW, I don't recall if I hinted this at all in my two Captain America reviews, thus far, but I haaaate Bucky. Or rather, I just don't give a shit about him. Which is unfortunate when it comes to movies like Civil War where his friendship with Cap almost breaks the world. I remember when I was getting into the MCU early on, but still didn't know some of the phase one movies so well. So when I saw Winter Soldier, I thought for sure Bucky was a big deal in First Avenger. But then I go back and watch it and he's in it for like 5 minutes and then dies. Bucky is a character that did not really translate well to the format of a film trilogy. During the Golden Age Captain America comics Bucky was a kid sidekick like Robin who was around for years before being killed off and was one of the few characters in all of comic books to actually stay dead for decades and his return as The Winter Soldier was this genuinely shocking return of a character that hardcore fans had a lot of nostalgia for. The effect is not the same when it's an adult side character getting killed in one movie and coming back in the next. |
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 25, 2022 22:19:17 GMT -5
The saying about comics used to be "No one stays dead except Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben"
Uncle Ben is the only one that hasnt been brought back. Technically.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 25, 2022 22:23:14 GMT -5
The saying about comics used to be "No one stays dead except Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben" Uncle Ben is the only one that hasnt been brought back. Technically. Kind of crazy that The Winter Soldier and Under the Red Hood happened in the same year. One of them had to be copying the other, right? |
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 26, 2022 8:26:59 GMT -5
The saying about comics used to be "No one stays dead except Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben" Uncle Ben is the only one that hasnt been brought back. Technically. Kind of crazy that The Winter Soldier and Under the Red Hood happened in the same year. One of them had to be copying the other, right? Looked it up this am. Looks like Jim Lee did a Hush/Clayface fakeout in 2003 that set people abuzz for the eventual May 2005 Red Hood reveal. Winter Soldier was Jan 2005, but if not something in the air with other characters there's definitely some Jason Todd buzz predating the Red Hood reveal. It will always crack me up that Jason Todd died as the result of a reader poll in 1980s. People HATED him. |
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Post by Dracula on Jul 26, 2022 8:33:28 GMT -5
It will always crack me up that Jason Todd died as the result of a reader poll in 1980s. People HATED him. Yes, the comic readers of the time voted in favor of having this child be beaten to death by The Joker with a crowbar. Then two issues later the Ayatollah Khomeini made the Joker an Iranian diplomat to the UN. The 80s were wild. |
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 26, 2022 17:36:02 GMT -5
Ah, OK.
Well now I hate it more. But at least it makes sense now.
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I don’t hate Age of Ultron like some people do, but ranking it above Civil War? Hmmm, hmmm indeed. OhHhhHhH NoOoOoO!!! |
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11. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (2021) I know I say this a lot in these write ups, but what a breath of fresh air. We have new locations, new cultures, new dragons; lots of fun stuff. Let’s start with the action. Definitely highlights are the bus fight and dragon finale, but I love the style in which all the action scenes are filmed. As someone who has come to detest “shaky cam,” it’s really cool to see the long shots used here. The camera will even pan around in a circle to show everything and how the scenery is laid out in many of the scenes.
Missing from many Marvel films is a good story to get behind, and this one is very strong. Not just the epic, family-oriented plot, but the use of flashbacks and attempts to turn a few of the usual narrative techniques on their end. For instance, there is a villain, but he is introduced early on as a sympathetic character and we never really lose that. Also, I like the awkward tossup of the “superhero reveal” when Shawn turns out to be able to fight. In a way, both his friend Katy AND us the audience learned his secret identity at the same time.
Best part: I think the flashback where Shang-Chi’s mom goes out to face the mob that eventually kills her is very powerful. Also, dragons.
Worst part: I guess Katy became a pretty good archer pretty quick.
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10. Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021) No Way Home was an instant staple of the MCU and of the whole genre. (In fact, it was as staple a good year before it came out unless you’re really good at avoid spoilers). Because of this, I was hoping I had viewed this enough times and that enough time has gone by for me to finally get some perspective on this tricky movie (I'm still not sure - it kept moving). Is it the greatest superhero movie of all time and a rip-roaring experience all the way through? Or is it a poorly written movie that was built around the greatest fan service of all time? Surprise: it lies somewhere in the middle. Honestly, I really like the story (that may or may not have been built around the three-Spidey finale). It has a rough start, for sure, with Doctor Strange showing the same responsibility to magic and the universe that you might show to an Ouija board. But after that, it finds its footing. The story feels weird, but I think it has less to do with all of the actors from past Spider-Man franchises and more to do with the fact that there is no clear villain driving the story, but instead the complete opposite, Spider-Man (1) trying his best to be an altruist. It’s very character driven and although it has odd pacing at times, is a fresh look at what a superhero movie can be. Flaws can be seen when you try to look at villain arcs, though. Many of them seem to decide if they’re evil from a scene-to-scene basis, and worse, by the end, all seem to be suffering from evil instead of a curse and when they’re given their quickly procured cure are free from all mental illness, as well. Still, it’s nice to see Doc-Ock be a swell guy and even save the day in the end. I’m not sure what to say about the final act that hasn’t already been said before; it’s just pure joy. Sometimes it was a little heavy on jokey-joke references and there was probably something we all wanted to see or be addressed but didn’t get to see, but in the end it was done very well. I think what really makes it work is they all have distinct characteristics, despite being the “same” person across the multiverse. And using this, they all have a perspective to help out one of the other two with what they’ve been going through in the past, or right now in the present. This might not be the best of the three Spider-Men, but hoo-boy, it certainly solidifies it as one of my favorite trilogies. Period. Best part: Easily Andrew Garfield saving MJ. What a ballsy and inspired thing to put in the movie. Worst part: Ned using the sling ring. It’s incredibly contrived and only exists to bring the Spider-Men through a portal (even though the front door would have been fine.) ***/****
9. Avengers: Infinity War (2018) It’s nice to finally get some clarity on the monster that is Avengers Infinity War/Endgame. Never before had about a dozen films led up to a finale like this. But now a few years have gone by, a few more films, and a few viewings of this movie, and…it’s a little thin?
Don’t get me wrong, it’s a lot of fun, but most of the things that make it good are on the surface. We have a huge cast, huge locations, huge stakes, but the writing feels a bit off in many places. It’s like we’re still having a good chuckle after the action-comedy Thor: Ragnarok when it should be more serious. It shouldn’t be devoid of humor, the situation humor and jokes involving characters meeting for the first time are all fine, but it could have done with less flippancy and lame quips. Hey, remember when Thor lost his dad, sister, brother, best friend, kingdom, people, and an eyeball, and then ran into the Guardians of the Galaxy and got shit for it? Or when Quill changed his voice because he was threatened by Thor? Bleh. But to be fair, the tone of the movie finds its footing eventually, as it should before half of the universe is wiped out.
The action is a bit mediocre, too, but that might have a bit more to do with personal tastes. For me, this movie suffers a bit from Deathly Hallow Syndrome. Or insert another last entry of your choice. Most of the action has to involve large masses and it’s based more on carnage than tactics. And if you’ve been binge-ing the movies like I have, you get a bit immune to it. However, the action involving Thanos against the good guys on Titan is top notch as we finally get to see some serious teamwork.
Best part: And speaking of the end, how can we forget the snap heard around the universe. Everyone remembers where they were when Spider-Man disintegrated in Tony Stark’s arms. That’s right: the theater.
Worst part: Sure, I could pick on Quill for his masterful choice-making when facing grief, but why do that when I can pick on all the Guardians of the Galaxy? Except for Gamora, her arc was interesting. But besides her, the poor humor of Volume 2 is still here in Infinity War. And the forced Drax jokes – yeesh.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 26, 2022 18:08:37 GMT -5
10. Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)Or is it a poorly written movie that was built around the greatest fan service of all time? Correct. I dislike this movie more with time. |
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 26, 2022 18:34:28 GMT -5
Haha. That's fair. It's messy, for sure.
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8. Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)
 Much like Guardians of the Galaxy, Spider-Man: Homecoming was a breath of fresh air to take us out of the usual Earth affairs, and this time into the world of a high-schooler. The fun and humor of this one is top notch, and the action is certainly above average. Tom Holland was wonderfully cast, and for once looks like someone who could be in high school. And perhaps the most underrated is the duet of Peter and Suit lady, Karen. I adore every scene they have together and it provides some of the best laughs.
Best part: Washington Monument scene.Worst part: They could have toned down the “everyone wants to get into Aunt May’s pants” jokes.***.5/****7. Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019)
 A very impressive follow-up to Spider-Man: Homecoming. One thing I’ve notice on this rewatching journey is how well the Spider-Man films feel like their own thing and yet somehow integrated in the MCU at the same time. In this case, this film had the tough order to be the first film released after Avengers: Endgame. They could have chickened out and stepped away from the comedy-heavy written that has made them work so well, but instead they leaned into it and gave us a low budget high school “In memorium” to Iron Man.
There is a minor thing that really bugs me though: the shaky premise behind “Mysterio’s” big plan. On one hand, I really like how it plays with the fourth wall in a post-Thanos world by saying “people will believe anything these days,” when in reality there’s no crazy aliens this time. On the other hand, Quentin’s plan was so convoluted that it should not have worked.
But that aside, this movie is very strong. Per usual, Spider-Man is less about the action (though the finale in this one is top-notch), and more about the characters. Being the second Spider-man movie, they were obligated to bring Peter’s love interest in on the secret of him being Spider-Man, and as always, it felt just in time. Peter having to balance his social life with saving the world is feeling a little repetitive at this point, but it works OK. Convoluted plan aside, Jake Gyllenhaal is great in this and plays the good and bad guy convincingly. Lots of great scenes in this one involving the passing of the Iron Man torch, and I love the Mysterio drone-induced fantasy where Spider-Man takes a crazy trip.
Best part: Has to be the opening minutes which has to both address the passing of Tony Stark (complete with Whitney Houston and Getty Images), as well as our introduction to “The Blip,” which has created a five year rift in ages between people causing band members to show up during a basketball game.
Worst part: Going back to Mysterio’s absurd plan, the worst part is the reveal which shows an entire bar filled with people turn out to be digitally drawn by the drones. WHY? The bar and patrons had nothing to do with it, Peter could have given him the glasses anywhere. They just needed a visual “A-ha” moment to go with the reveal.***.5/****6. Iron Man (2008) I’ll always have a soft spot for the original film: Iron Man. It’s the perfect origin film that organically gets you from Billionaire douche bag to a superhero with a conscious. It won’t be long after this movie that MCU finds their footing, which comes with pros and cons. But rarely do we really get the gritty content of this film once the CG becomes that polished cookie-cutter machine in later films. It really only suffers from a lackluster final act which ironically becomes a place setter for many more “Hero vs. Similar Hero” finales.
Best part: Building the first suit on a schedule and escaping. Worst part: I don't think he had to fight Obadiah to finish it.
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 28, 2022 17:35:50 GMT -5
5. The Avengers (2012) The big kahuna. Never before had we seen a culmination of storylines; each one a smooth transition from a previous entire film brought into this. After almost 15 years of the MCU, we’ve grown used to this epicness, and perhaps on some levels The Avengers doesn’t hold up as it used to when looked at in retrospect. For me personally, the Whedon quips don’t pack the punch that they once did. Have I become hardened over the years and no longer enjoy flippancy mixed with world extinction events? Sure, probably. But still, after all this time, The Avengers is never boring, flows wonderfully from “getting the gang together," middle, to finale, and gives us some of the best action scenes, moments, and laughs in a collection of almost 20 movies.
Best part: Hulk punches Thor. I’ll never forget that in the theater.
Worst part: If you think about it, Fury smearing blood on Coulsen’s trading cards is a little psychotic.
***.5/****
4. Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) All around, Winter Soldier has to be among the best. It has a complex and well-paced storyline, great new additions to the MCU with Robert Redford, Emily VanCamp and Anthony Mackie, and has some of the best action scenes to date. I would say the pedestal this movie has been placed on is a bit high, but perhaps that’s because none of these movies are exactly high art or very deep. Winter Soldier gets the most praise for its real-movie-like plot, but in the end it’s mostly a run-of-the-mill “this goes all the way to the top!” espionage film. It’s just executed well with people we love.
While it might not be deep, it does tug at our heart strings a bit. At the heart of this film is Steve’s realization that the main enemy is his brainwashed old friend, Bucky (even though, as previously stated, I hate him). And boy do I love that SCREEECH in the soundtrack whenever he’s on camera!
Best Part: Elevator scene and jet/bridge attack.
Worst Part: I guess I’d have to go with the Fury switcheroo. They explain his motive well, to be fair, but it still feels a bit cheap in a series filled without stakes.
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Post by frankyt on Jul 28, 2022 18:43:03 GMT -5
How quickly did you watch them all?
Top villains list incoming?
A redvader style countdown of the most powerful MCU characters that peters out after five selections?
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 28, 2022 18:58:48 GMT -5
Fast. Like under 3 weeks.
No more lists. I don't like ranking characters.
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How quickly did you watch them all? Top villains list incoming? A redvader style countdown of the most powerful MCU characters that peters out after five selections? Next up: Jibbs’ 643 favorite lines of dialogue. The list stops when he gets to 528. |
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 28, 2022 19:25:24 GMT -5
Top 356 MCU characters that could secretly be space lizards
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Top 356 MCU characters that could secretly be space lizards Well, given the whole Skrull plotline... |
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