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Post by Doomsday on Nov 8, 2020 13:45:40 GMT -5
I'm kind of in the same boat. E.T. was never on my list of regular spins as a kid unlike Indiana Jones, Jaws, etc. In fact I barely remembered any of it until I watched it in the theatrical re-release in the early 2000s, the one where they replaced the guns with flashlights. I've watched it a couple more times since, it's highly enjoyable but it's not my favorite. John Williams' score though is among his very, very best. I've listened to that way more than I've seen the movie.
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 8, 2020 14:05:51 GMT -5
Honestly, looking back, I can't say why E.T. fell by the wayside for me over the years. Perhaps it just got overshadowed by a lot of my other Spielberg favorites, but the truth is this is up there with a lot of those works. It's a great blend of his genre and dramatic sensibilities, as well as a movie worthy of all the decades of praise it's gotten in the years since. E.T. has endured for a reason. It may be because E.T. is not a cool movie to love. Like a lot of things that get really popular it almost feels boring to like, and that E.T. is a highly sentimental movie made for kids makes it even lamer as you get older. It's only when you go back to it that you truly realize how great the movie is. I had a similar revelation when I rewatched The Lion King a year or so ago.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 8, 2020 14:27:09 GMT -5
I'm kind of in the same boat. E.T. was never on my list of regular spins as a kid unlike Indiana Jones, Jaws, etc. In fact I barely remembered any of it until I watched it in the theatrical re-release in the early 2000s, the one where they replaced the guns with flashlights. I've watched it a couple more times since, it's highly enjoyable but it's not my favorite. John Williams' score though is among his very, very best. I've listened to that way more than I've seen the movie. Yes. I’ve listened to the score regularly since the 90’s. One of my favorites. Honestly, looking back, I can't say why E.T. fell by the wayside for me over the years. Perhaps it just got overshadowed by a lot of my other Spielberg favorites, but the truth is this is up there with a lot of those works. It's a great blend of his genre and dramatic sensibilities, as well as a movie worthy of all the decades of praise it's gotten in the years since. E.T. has endured for a reason. It may be because E.T. is not a cool movie to love. Like a lot of things that get really popular it almost feels boring to like, and that E.T. is a highly sentimental movie made for kids makes it even lamer as you get older. It's only when you go back to it that you truly realize how great the movie is. I had a similar revelation when I rewatched The Lion King a year or so ago. Lion King has always been cool though.
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 8, 2020 14:30:43 GMT -5
I'm kind of in the same boat. E.T. was never on my list of regular spins as a kid unlike Indiana Jones, Jaws, etc. In fact I barely remembered any of it until I watched it in the theatrical re-release in the early 2000s, the one where they replaced the guns with flashlights. I've watched it a couple more times since, it's highly enjoyable but it's not my favorite. John Williams' score though is among his very, very best. I've listened to that way more than I've seen the movie. Yes. I’ve listened to the score regularly since the 90’s. One of my favorites. It may be because E.T. is not a cool movie to love. Like a lot of things that get really popular it almost feels boring to like, and that E.T. is a highly sentimental movie made for kids makes it even lamer as you get older. It's only when you go back to it that you truly realize how great the movie is. I had a similar revelation when I rewatched The Lion King a year or so ago. Lion King has always been cool though. When you're a teenager who listens to Heavy Metal diving head first into serious adult cinema, a Disney cartoon full of Elton John is about as far from cool as imaginable. Don't get me wrong, I love the movie now, but I also get why teenage me viewed it as kiddie shit.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 8, 2020 14:30:55 GMT -5
Honestly, looking back, I can't say why E.T. fell by the wayside for me over the years. Perhaps it just got overshadowed by a lot of my other Spielberg favorites, but the truth is this is up there with a lot of those works. It's a great blend of his genre and dramatic sensibilities, as well as a movie worthy of all the decades of praise it's gotten in the years since. E.T. has endured for a reason. It may be because E.T. is not a cool movie to love. Like a lot of things that get really popular it almost feels boring to like, and that E.T. is a highly sentimental movie made for kids makes it even lamer as you get older. It's only when you go back to it that you truly realize how great the movie is. I had a similar revelation when I rewatched The Lion King a year or so ago. The Lion King? I know lots of people who'd acknowledge how great that movie is as they continued to get older and not just purely out of nostalgia.
But it is true about E.T. Still a great movie, but not as cool/sexy as Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park or even Hook.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 8, 2020 14:39:37 GMT -5
Yes. I’ve listened to the score regularly since the 90’s. One of my favorites. Lion King has always been cool though. When you're a teenager who listens to Heavy Metal diving head first into serious adult cinema, a Disney cartoon full of Elton John is about as far from cool as imaginable. Don't get me wrong, I love the movie now, but I also get why teenage me viewed it as kiddie shit. It may be because E.T. is not a cool movie to love. Like a lot of things that get really popular it almost feels boring to like, and that E.T. is a highly sentimental movie made for kids makes it even lamer as you get older. It's only when you go back to it that you truly realize how great the movie is. I had a similar revelation when I rewatched The Lion King a year or so ago. The Lion King? I know lots of people who'd acknowledge how great that movie is as they continued to get older and not just purely out of nostalgia.
But it is true about E.T. Still a great movie, but not as cool/sexy as Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park or even Hook.
There’s no doubt you’re a snob, PG Cooper. What I’m saying is, Lion King never lost its popularity. ET definitely isn’t as popular as in the 80s. Just look at that 2002 “special edition.” People can shit on those 1997 Star Wars Special Editions but they all went to watch it in theatres. When Spielberg tried to replicate that with the 2002 ET, people generally didn’t care. It just hasn’t resonated as highly as other pop culture from the 80’s. And it’s, like I said, because the movie is boring as hell until the government kidnaps ET. I can’t imagine kids today watching ET without falling asleep. It lacks that whimsical magic you get from Wizard of Us, Willy Wonka and that original Star Wars.
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 8, 2020 14:43:31 GMT -5
When you're a teenager who listens to Heavy Metal diving head first into serious adult cinema, a Disney cartoon full of Elton John is about as far from cool as imaginable. Don't get me wrong, I love the movie now, but I also get why teenage me viewed it as kiddie shit. The Lion King? I know lots of people who'd acknowledge how great that movie is as they continued to get older and not just purely out of nostalgia. But it is true about E.T. Still a great movie, but not as cool/sexy as Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park or even Hook.
There’s no doubt you’re a snob, PG Cooper. What I’m saying is, Lion King never lost its popularity. ET definitely isn’t as popular as in the 80s. Just look at that 2002 “special edition.” People can shit on those 1997 Star Wars Special Editions but they all went to watch it in theatres. When Spielberg tried to replicate that with the 2002 ET, people generally didn’t care. It just hasn’t resonated as highly as other pop culture from the 80’s. And it’s, like I said, because the movie is boring as hell until the government kidnaps ET. I can’t imagine kids today watching ET without falling asleep. It lacks that whimsical magic you get from Wizard of Us, Willy Wonka and that original Star Wars. Fair enough, I wasn't trying to draw a major connection between the public perception of the movies, so much as draw a parallel to Phantom's rewatch of E.T. with my own of Lion King. I think both of us realized the movie in question was "good" but didn't realize just how much we really liked it until giving it another look.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 8, 2020 14:49:13 GMT -5
There’s no doubt you’re a snob, PG Cooper . What I’m saying is, Lion King never lost its popularity. ET definitely isn’t as popular as in the 80s. Just look at that 2002 “special edition.” People can shit on those 1997 Star Wars Special Editions but they all went to watch it in theatres. When Spielberg tried to replicate that with the 2002 ET, people generally didn’t care. It just hasn’t resonated as highly as other pop culture from the 80’s. And it’s, like I said, because the movie is boring as hell until the government kidnaps ET. I can’t imagine kids today watching ET without falling asleep. It lacks that whimsical magic you get from Wizard of Us, Willy Wonka and that original Star Wars. Fair enough, I wasn't trying to draw a major connection between the public perception of the movies, so much as draw a parallel to Phantom's rewatch of E.T. with my own of Lion King. I think both of us realized the movie in question was "good" but didn't realize just how much we really liked it until giving it another look. Yup.
And E.T. certainly ain't boring, Neverending. It's just more subdued than most other kids' flicks. But it certainly has whimsy. Just look at the frog scene in science class and the way it cross-cuts between Elliot and E.T.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 8, 2020 14:55:05 GMT -5
There’s no doubt you’re a snob, PG Cooper . What I’m saying is, Lion King never lost its popularity. ET definitely isn’t as popular as in the 80s. Just look at that 2002 “special edition.” People can shit on those 1997 Star Wars Special Editions but they all went to watch it in theatres. When Spielberg tried to replicate that with the 2002 ET, people generally didn’t care. It just hasn’t resonated as highly as other pop culture from the 80’s. And it’s, like I said, because the movie is boring as hell until the government kidnaps ET. I can’t imagine kids today watching ET without falling asleep. It lacks that whimsical magic you get from Wizard of Us, Willy Wonka and that original Star Wars. Fair enough, I wasn't trying to draw a major connection between the public perception of the movies, so much as draw a parallel to Phantom's rewatch of E.T. with my own of Lion King. I think both of us realized the movie in question was "good" but didn't realize just how much we really liked it until giving it another look. That was me and The Graduate a few months back. I always thought it was eh fine but after a rewatch I dug it a lot more.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 8, 2020 16:05:35 GMT -5
Fair enough, I wasn't trying to draw a major connection between the public perception of the movies, so much as draw a parallel to Phantom's rewatch of E.T. with my own of Lion King. I think both of us realized the movie in question was "good" but didn't realize just how much we really liked it until giving it another look. That was me and The Graduate a few months back. I always thought it was eh fine but after a rewatch I dug it a lot more. From the top of my head, I think Predator is the one for me. My family owned it on VHS (in fact I’m sure it’s in storage somewhere — I’ll try to dig it up). I was kinda indifferent towards it as a kid. It didn’t click with me like some of the other Schwarzenegger movies. But the older I got and the more I rewatched, the more I appreciated it. Now I fully enjoy it cause I get what it’s trying to do. I get that it’s a genre bender. I get that it subverts the tropes. But as a kid all that went over my head. I lacked the film language. And you can maybe argue that’s the case for a lot of people. PG Cooper and I were talking about 1987 the other day cause of Untouchables and Sean Connery. Predator did okay at the box office. As did Robocop. They both got sequels right away. Money was made. But Untouchables was the bigger box office hit. It was a top 10 grosser for the year. Connery won an Oscar for it. But now 30 years later, you see the reverse. Predator and Robocop are gigantic pop culture movies and Untouchables is really only acknowledged by us film nerds. And it’s cause people didn’t quite get Predator and Robocop at first.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 9, 2020 15:53:21 GMT -5
TWILIGHT ZONE: THE MOVIE (1983)
How exactly does one approach reviewing an anthology like Twilight Zone: The Movie? Well, in his review at the time of the film's release, Roger Ebert went through and summarized his thoughts on each of the segments within the movie and I think that sounds like a good tactic, so I'll go with that. But first, there's an elephant in the room when it comes to this movie, and that's the infamous on-set accident that tragically cost actor Vic Morrow and a child extra their lives, and rather horrifically. I haven't seen the Cursed Films series that details the incident, but I am aware of the story there, and it is indeed horrific that it happened. It's a tragic specter that hangs over the segment in which it happened during filming especially, but I did my best to set that aside and focus on the movie itself. Twilight Zone: The Movie was produced by Steven Spielberg and John Landis as a cinematic interpretation of the famous Rod Serling TV series from the early 60's. The two directors essentially shepherded the project and recruited two other directors, Joe Dante and George Miller, to help round out the four main mini-stories which would comprise the film. In true Twilight Zone format, these are four standalone stories which contain twisted elements of sci-fi/horror and fantasy. Initially, according to Joe Dante, they were intended to be interconnected by having characters from one story pop up in another, but that was quickly abandoned. So how do each of these stories stack up? Let's take a look. First up is John Landis, who directs the Prologue and the first main segment, Time Out. The Prologue itself gets things off to a decent start. It features Dan Aykroyd and Albert Brooks and is a quick 5-7 minute scene that's simple, but effective and ratchets up the eeriness as it goes on and it ends well. Then we get into Time Out, which sees Vic Morrow as disgruntled racist in modern times who vents to a few of his friends his frustrations in a rather inflammatory fashion, but soon finds himself catapulted through time, landing in different periods where races were persecuted the most and he himself is in the shoes of people of said races. It's an interesting concept to be sure, and Vic Morrow does good work conveying the confusion and fear one would undoubtedly feel if they found themselves in such a situation. Plus, John Landis does a decent job of keeping the intensity of each new encounter going. But there's not much more to it beyond that basic concept. Because it's so short, there's only enough time to see the character fend for his life in these various situations, and the story just has a blanket statement/moral of "walk a mile in their shoes", but doesn't offer much nuance beyond that. It simply boils down/amounts to what feels like a sort of revenge fantasy against racists, even though it's written and directed by a white guy. Next up is Kick the Can, the story directed by Steven Spielberg, and...it's pretty terrible, in all honesty, and easily the worst segment of the whole film. It might also be one of the worst things Spielberg has directed, period. The story sees Scatman Crothers as Mr. Bloom, an elderly fellow who's just moved into a retirement home called Sunnyside. But Mr. Bloom has a secret: he possesses the power to turn all of the other residents of the retirement home back into their child shelves for one night so they can re-experience their youth and...that's pretty much it. The story really has no stakes or dark twist like you would expect from a Twilight Zone story, and is instead just this cheesy, boring nothing sandwich of a fantasy plot that really feels like a waste of time. The script for this segment has Melissa Mathison as a co-writer, and while it definitely has all of the sentimentality of E.T., it has none of the heart or charm. The point it ultimately makes doesn't seem to warrant a 20-25 minute short story, and it's a theme that Spielberg would tackle in a much more fun and engaging fashion years later in Hook. Kick the Can isn't as astoundingly awful as 1941, but it's down there as part of the worst stuff Steven Spielberg had directed up to this point in his career. The third segment is Joe Dante's, entitled It's A Good Life, and this is where things start to get better. This is a remake of an original episode of the series and sees newly-arrived schoolteacher Helen Foley (Kathleen Quinlan) accompany a local boy back to his home, where she finds herself invited to dinner with the boy's odd family and soon discovers the boy isn't what he seems. This is the first segment that really starts to embrace the weirdness normally associated with The Twilight Zone -- perhaps because it's a remake of an episode -- and works all the better for it. In particular, there's some really cool production design and special effects that are gradually revealed here that reminded me of the afterlife scenes in Beetlejuice, plus Joe Dante makes really good use of them. He also achieves an off-kilter tone that slowly becomes more obvious as events play out, especially in the way the family members behave, and that adds to the effectiveness of it. It may not end the best, but overall, this segment works. And finally, the fourth segment is a remake of the iconic episode Nightmare at 20,000 Feet, with this one directed by George Miller and starring John Lithgow. Quite frankly, this one's the best. Miller films it in the same frenetic style associated with his Mad Max films, which adds to the intensity, but also John Lithgow does a hell of a job selling his character's fear and anxiety. Even though we already largely know where this is going, it's still gripping and entertaining, as you really feel the terror and paranoia. Afterwards, there's a quick Epilogue once again directed by John Landis, but while it's kind of lame, it does nothing to sour the awesomeness of Miller's segment. I can respect Steven Spielberg's and John Landis's desire to bring The Twilight Zone to the big screen, but as this collection proves, you need to make sure each story is as strong as it can be, otherwise you'll end up with a wildly mixed bag, as this movie is. It is ironic, though, that directors who were very well-regarded at the time -- Spielberg and Landis -- were outshone by two up-and-comers, with Spielberg in particular delivering the worst of the bunch. But while Joe Dante and George Miller manage to end the film strongly, it's not enough to call Twilight Zone: The Movie good. If anything, it just proves that The Twilight Zone is at its best as an anthology TV series rather than a movie.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 9, 2020 18:33:22 GMT -5
It is ironic, though, that directors who were very well-regarded at the time -- Spielberg and Landis -- were outshone by two up-and-comers, with Spielberg in particular delivering the worst of the bunch. Yeah, I think Spielberg and Landis saw this as a quick fun project to do in-between bigger and better things while Dante and Miller saw it as a big opportunity to prove themselves in Hollywood.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 9, 2020 20:20:21 GMT -5
To be fair to Landis and Spielberg, Landis never actually finished his segment since, you know, he dropped a helicopter on the leading actor. I don’t know why they even bothered to include the segment in the film. They should have just asked someone else to do a whole new segment. And as for Spielberg, he pretty much disowned this movie as soon as the incident occurred. As a producer on the film he ended up in all sorts of lawsuits. I think Spielberg likes to pretend this movie never existed — and he directed Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
Anyway, fun fact, Richard Donner (Lethal Weapon, Superman) directed the original Nightmare at 20,000 Feet. So there’s your six degrees of Mel Gibson.
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I thought I saw Ian post in the 31 Days of Halloween thread that the Cursed Films episode on the movie actually shows footage of the accident. Is that true?
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 10, 2020 8:44:08 GMT -5
I thought I saw Ian post in the 31 Days of Halloween thread that the Cursed Films episode on the movie actually shows footage of the accident. Is that true? Yes.
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I thought I saw Ian post in the 31 Days of Halloween thread that the Cursed Films episode on the movie actually shows footage of the accident. Is that true? Yes. Wow.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 10, 2020 13:34:45 GMT -5
I thought I saw Ian post in the 31 Days of Halloween thread that the Cursed Films episode on the movie actually shows footage of the accident. Is that true? You’re too young to have watched E! True Hollywood Story, but they did an episode on Twilight Zone, and if memory serves correctly, they too showed the footage. Or at least stills of it.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 10, 2020 13:40:08 GMT -5
It's a distant crane shot, you aren't actually seeing anyone getting decapitated in close up or anything.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 10, 2020 14:54:20 GMT -5
I have been meaning to check out that series, though.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 11, 2020 16:23:07 GMT -5
Looking forward to the Temple of Doom revisit, is that next? I know where many of us stand on the other infamous board favorite sequel Batman Returns but I'm guessing Temple of Doom will be a little less polarizing. And if you don't like chilled monkey brains you can take a hike.
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Looking forward to the Temple of Doom revisit, is that next? Yup. And not to worry, I'm pro-chilled monkeys' brains.
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 11, 2020 16:58:30 GMT -5
Temple of Doom rocks.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 11, 2020 17:44:35 GMT -5
Looking forward to the Temple of Doom revisit, is that next? I know where many of us stand on the other infamous board favorite sequel Batman Returns but I'm guessing Temple of Doom will be a little less polarizing. And if you don't like chilled monkey brains you can take a hike. Temple of Doom was everyone’s favorite as a kid.
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Temple of Doom has high highs and low lows.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 11, 2020 18:48:03 GMT -5
I thought I saw Ian post in the 31 Days of Halloween thread that the Cursed Films episode on the movie actually shows footage of the accident. Is that true? Yup
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