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Post by PhantomKnight on May 27, 2021 13:33:47 GMT -5
You got some balls. You didn’t watch Batman ‘89 till like 2005. More like mid-90's. Pretty sure Batman '89 was the first PG-13 movie I ever saw. I think my parents blindly OK'-ed that and Batman Returns cause I was so into Batman: TAS at the time.
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Post by Neverending on May 27, 2021 14:09:51 GMT -5
You got some balls. You didn’t watch Batman ‘89 till like 2005. More like mid-90's. Pretty sure Batman '89 was the first PG-13 movie I ever saw. I think my parents blindly OK'-ed that and Batman Returns cause I was so into Batman: TAS at the time. I was talking to Dracula. I was defending you, sir.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 1, 2021 15:36:41 GMT -5
SAVING PRIVATE RYAN (1998)
Every time I watch Saving Private Ryan, it feels like I'm seeing it for the first time all over again. Steven Spielberg has made many great films throughout his career, and Saving Private Ryan is no different. In the days since re-watching it yet again, I’ve been mulling over just where to begin with it, but much like Schindler’s List, I think it’s best to just dive right in. Spielberg had previously tackled World War II with Empire of the Sun and 1941 (though you’d be fully forgiven in trying to blot out that movie from your memory), as well as the same era with Schindler’s List, but Saving Private Ryan marks his first real tackling of battle warfare. And the past few times I’ve watched this movie, I’ve also thought of Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now, and the common theme both that film and this one share is the one that war is hell. Steven Spielberg depicts this by way of brutally realistic and honest violence that can oftentimes be hard to watch and viscerally exciting at the same time, but wisely not in a way that tries to mimic the action normally found in a big, effects-driven blockbuster. There's no sugarcoating the battlefield horrors here; whenever someone gets fatally wounded, Spielberg makes damn sure we FEEL it. People always talk about the opening Omaha Beach sequence, and that’s for good reason. It sets the stage perfectly for the experience the film is about to give us and provides moments and imagery that seem to be seared into my brain by now. Imagery like the one soldier who’s already had his arm blown off but looks for it, finds it on the ground and picks it up and continues to wander around in a daze. Or the one soldier whose helmet catches and protects him from a bullet but after he takes off the helmet to marvel at it, another bullet promptly hits him square in his now-unprotected head. Moments like this are still potent and shocking, because as much as Spielberg has proven in the past how good he is at offering escapist entertainment that can feel fun and exhilarating, here with Saving Private Ryan, he taps back into that penchant for portraying the more horrific qualities of violence that he already showed in Schindler’s List. It’s true that movies before this depicted violence in gorily realistic fashion too, but just like with Schindler’s List, there’s a frankness to it and an unapologetic nature born from the senseless quality of it all that just furthers the themes of the film as a whole. It goes without saying that all of the battles and gunfights here are some of the best action Spielberg has ever put on film. Not only are they just tremendously well-crafted and executed on a filmmaking level, but they all accentuate the bleakness and murkiness of war that the film is going for. And that doesn’t just apply to the opening sequence, either. Throughout the film, Spielberg further drives home the chaos of war, and how it can rear its ugly head anywhere. Nobody is safe at any time. Look at the scene where Vin Diesel’s character tries to save a girl from a ravaged town, but just gets shot by a sniper as a “reward.” In past Spielberg movies, acts of heroism are usually carried out and the person doing them wins in the end. But there are no winners here, just a neverending cycle of bullets and blood. There’s also the death scenes of Giovanni Ribisi’s and Adam Goldberg’s characters, both of which are hard to watch, but in different ways. There’s a bleakness (naturally) to this film that is so very different from the vast majority of Spielberg’s work, but at the same time, there’s still that ray of hope and optimism you’d expect from one of his works, and the balance is beautifully maintained. That applies to the group of soldiers as characters themselves, too. Specifically how the film chooses to color them in shades of gray. Yeah, they all show senses of nobility and make an effort to do the right thing, but they all have moments of weakness. Take, for example, the scene where a couple of them start to sort through a pile of dog tags that belonged to now-dead soldiers, but do so kind of callously as comrades of the dead look on at them as they pass by. Also, how they want to kill a German in cold blood because said German killed one of their own. Focus is mainly put on the toll war takes on these men fighting it, as well as questions if any one soldier can make a difference -- in more ways than one. Yes, we get all of these guys sharing their typical “life back home” stories, but it works here because it’s the performances of all these actors that give these men personality and believability, and the stories serve to enhance their characters. The bond between each of these men is really felt throughout the film, so that whenever one of them dies, it doesn't feel like an arbitrary script requirement at all. This is an intrinsically human story set on a large canvas. But getting back to how Spielberg mixes in cynicism with hopefulness for a moment, again, it really works. By the end, the message becomes “use the full measures of heroism and devotion displayed by these soldiers to make our lives better.” And the way the film ultimately hammers it home at the end is very powerful, with the sense of sentimentality and honor well-earned.
Saving Private Ryan is full of love, honor and respect for American soldiers and Steven Spielberg finds the perfect balancing act between expressing that in harsh and honest ways while also infusing the story with his own sensibilities. There seems to have been a bit of a backlash to it in the sense that the rest of the movie isn’t as good as the first twenty-five minutes, but that’s frankly a bunch of bullshit to me. The whole film highlights the horrors and gray areas of war while still managing to honor those who fight it, and the effectiveness of such a combination is something that only a storyteller as skilled as Steven Spielberg could have pulled off.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 1, 2021 16:12:24 GMT -5
It's no Shakespeare in Love but it has a lot going for it.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 19, 2021 15:56:52 GMT -5
Just got done re-watching A.I. (my second time). I kind of forgot just how...frustrating this movie is. I honestly can't say I hate it, but yeah, quite a bit to unpack here.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 19, 2021 16:36:15 GMT -5
Lots of people these days are trying to claim it as a misunderstood masterpiece. I guess that was foreseeable.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 19, 2021 16:51:26 GMT -5
Lots of people these days are trying to claim it as a misunderstood masterpiece. I guess that was foreseeable. People have been going back and forth on if it's a misunderstood masterpiece since the day it came out.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 19, 2021 18:17:01 GMT -5
Bought the Blu-Ray recently, actually.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 19, 2021 18:26:23 GMT -5
PG Cooper thinks its a misunderstood masterpiece.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 19, 2021 18:32:36 GMT -5
PG Cooper thinks its a misunderstood masterpiece. We'll see. It's a mess but a visually breathtaking one which mixes Kubrickian despair with Spielbergian sentiment in a way which makes the material even more upsetting.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 19, 2021 22:05:02 GMT -5
The movie has so many good ideas in it, the craft is undeniable and is generally very watchable…but for all its Spielbergian sentiment, it just fails to connect, which I think goes back to how the First Act plays out. But I’ll get more into that and other things about the movie soon enough.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 19, 2021 22:10:38 GMT -5
I've only seen it once and my big note I think is pretty widely shared; the movie should have ended well before it actually did.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 20, 2021 8:37:13 GMT -5
The bizarre ending has actually grown on me. I think HJO is over-directed.
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A.I. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE (2001)
Where, oh where to begin when discussing A.I. Artificial Intelligence? Amongst Steven Spielberg’s filmography, it’s certainly one of the more...interesting entries. We all know the story behind it: the film was the brainchild of the late Stanley Kubrick, who went back and forth on it over so many years late in his career, even going so far as to initially hand it over to Spielberg, a close personal friend, because Kubrick thought it suited Spielberg’s sensibilities better than his own. Steven Spielberg would then give it back to Kubrick, who intended to finally direct it himself...but passed away before he ultimately could. It was then that Spielberg decided to fully commit to A.I. himself, as a tribute to Kubrick, even going so far as to re-write the script himself -- only his second-ever screenwriting credit after Close Encounters of the Third Kind. The resulting film is one that’s representative of the visions of two different directors...and that’s ultimately the origin of all of the movie’s problems. To be fair, though, I don’t hate this movie. I know it’s one that has earned the ire of more than a couple of people, but while I agree with many of the criticisms (as we’ll get to), I still think this movie has way too much ambition and artistic integrity to call it awful or a complete failure. It’s just...miscalculated. You can clearly tell that the end product is a combination of two distinct directorial voices, but those voices become garbled because they’re both trying to speak at the same time. Again, A.I. certainly cannot be faulted for its lack of ambition, but the movie is ultimately such a jumbled mess that it just leaves you feeling frustrated. Out of all of Steven Spielberg’s films, this is the one I think I feel the most conflicted about because it’s trying to do so many things, and doing them more than competently...yet the film as a whole never really adds up. It all starts with the First Act, specifically how the film tries to establish its characters and emotional anchors. Obviously, it’s about a robotic child, or A.I., named David (Haley Joel Osment) who’s “adopted” by a couple in the future who are struggling with having their biological son in a coma due to some rare disease. With that set up, naturally, the conflict is centered on David’s attempts at acclimating to the intricacies of real life and establishing emotional connections, particularly when it comes to the wife/mother (Frances O’ Connor). A solid and expected premise, to be sure, and one that you’d think in Steven Spielberg’s hands, would be ripe with his trademark, yet effective sentimentality. Well...think again. Yes, that is the approach the film attempts to take with it, yet the charm and warmness that Spielberg is going for here just doesn’t come across at all. I think that’s mainly because he’s trying to replicate the same cold and detached style that Stanley Kubrick was often known for in his own movies, and that severely interferes with the intended tone here. Now, I will never pretend to be any kind of expert on the filmography of Stanley Kubrick, but watching A.I. again, it clearly felt like Steven Spielberg was doing his best to mimic Kubrick’s style -- to the film’s detriment, ultimately. Because whereas this First Act is supposed to feel all warm and nice and really pull you in, it instead feels like the beginning of a horror film with the way so many shots frame David as he does things like stare longingly at his new mother or suddenly burst out in laughter at a joke during dinner. Everything just feels...off, like you’re waiting for David to go against his programming and kill the couple rather than love them. Haley Joel Osment’s performance, unfortunately, has a lot to do with this. We know from The Sixth Sense that he can be a very good actor, but here, I don’t know… Either he was given the wrong kind of direction, or he just made the wrong choices, because one of the main purposes of this First Act is clearly to establish empathy for David...yet that never happens. The First Act has all the hallmarks of Spielberg sentimentality and whimsy -- despite adopting the same cold lighting/filming style that every movie of his since Saving Private Ryan seems to have had -- probably as a primer/intentional contrast to the darkness and dreariness the film transitions into in its second half, but because that sentimentality and whimsy doesn’t work and because we don’t establish a genuine connection with David, the rest of the film loses whatever punch it may have had. On the plus side, the various aspects of this future are brought to life very impressively on a visual level and certain aspects of it are intriguing...but also, when you really start to dig into some of the ways in which this future works and the rules it operates by, a lot of holes (of both the plot and logic variety) start to pop up that eventually become too numerous to ignore. Now, other reviews have very succinctly elaborated on and delved into those holes and issues -- much better than I could even attempt to -- so, I won’t really. But suffice it to say, there are many things about this plot and world that just become intensely problematic the more you think about them. It just further emphasizes how this movie has so many ideas, yet because of that, they all start to contradict each other, and it just makes for a very confused and contradictory experience. And do I need to go into the ending set 2,000 years in the future and all the problems that has? Again, that’s been covered ad nauseum by so many others by this point -- entire essays can and probably have been written on all the problems, inconsistencies and contradictions it presents -- so I’ll just say this ending really doesn’t work and leave it at that. But if I had more time...boy oh boy. Okay, so I fully acknowledge that this review comes off more like the Cliff Notes versions of other reviews of this movie that really get into why A.I. is such a mess and disappointment, so if you’re looking for a super in-depth analysis, go find one of those. Again, I’ll just say that I don’t think the film is ultimately good, but nor do I hate it. Apart from Osment, there are still some good and effective performances here, the visuals are pretty great, a couple of the ideas stand out as interesting, Spielberg’s direction is generally solid, the movie moves nicely even at 2 ½ hours, there are certain scenes that work really well when looked at in a vacuum and if nothing else, there’s lots more ambition on display here that you don’t often see in big studio movies anymore. But as A.I. ultimately proves, you can have all the ambition in the world...but if your script doesn’t work, then all that ambition will only get you so far.
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 11, 2021 20:07:07 GMT -5
Hmmmm I will have to return to this thread. I've recently finished a rewatch of all of Kubrick's movies (which was super fun) and I think A.I. will make for a good bonus movie.
That said, I will say the clash of Kubrick and Spielberg is one of the most fascinating elements of the movie even if I can see where it wouldn't necessarily work.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 11, 2021 20:12:44 GMT -5
Hmmmm I will have to return to this thread. I've recently finished a rewatch of all of Kubrick's movies (which was super fun) and I think A.I. will make for a good bonus movie. That said, I will say the clash of Kubrick and Spielberg is one of the most fascinating elements of the movie even if I can see where it wouldn't necessarily work. You know, I actually used your super in-depth review from years ago as a sort of reference as I was (finally) doing mine. I fully acknowledge I didn't go as deep or detailed as you did, but obviously...I agree with a lot (if not everything) of what you laid out.
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 11, 2021 20:15:16 GMT -5
Hmmmm I will have to return to this thread. I've recently finished a rewatch of all of Kubrick's movies (which was super fun) and I think A.I. will make for a good bonus movie. That said, I will say the clash of Kubrick and Spielberg is one of the most fascinating elements of the movie even if I can see where it wouldn't necessarily work. You know, I actually used your super in-depth review from years ago as a sort of reference as I was (finally) doing mine. I fully acknowledge I didn't go as deep or detailed as you did, but obviously...I agree with a lot (if not everything) of what you laid out. I don't think I'll stand by that review on a rewatch. But I guess I won't know for sure. I looked it up and thought shit is A. very long and B. written in 2013, so, probably, terrible.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 11, 2021 20:21:57 GMT -5
You know, I actually used your super in-depth review from years ago as a sort of reference as I was (finally) doing mine. I fully acknowledge I didn't go as deep or detailed as you did, but obviously...I agree with a lot (if not everything) of what you laid out. I don't think I'll stand by that review on a rewatch. I kinda get that feeling from you already.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 11, 2021 20:39:00 GMT -5
Yes, that is the approach the film attempts to take with it, yet the charm and warmness that Spielberg is going for here just doesn’t come across at all. I think that’s mainly because he’s trying to replicate the same cold and detached style that Stanley Kubrick was often known for in his own movies, and that severely interferes with the intended tone here. Now, I will never pretend to be any kind of expert on the filmography of Stanley Kubrick, but watching A.I. again, it clearly felt like Steven Spielberg was doing his best to mimic Kubrick’s style -- to the film’s detriment, ultimately. Because whereas this First Act is supposed to feel all warm and nice and really pull you in, it instead feels like the beginning of a horror film with the way so many shots frame David as he does things like stare longingly at his new mother or suddenly burst out in laughter at a joke during dinner. Everything just feels...off, like you’re waiting for David to go against his programming and kill the couple rather than love them.
I don't know, I think that's sort of the point. The couple really deeply want to love David like a real boy and give him that warm cuddly Spielberg experience but whatever anyone's intentions were this kid in fact wasn't a real boy and his unreality was present from moment one acting as a barrier and by the end of act one you kind of get why the parents would want this robo-kid deactivated. If he wasn't kind of creepy they would just seem like complete monsters for abandoning him and the film's conflict of him wanting to become a "real boy" and failing to find his place in the world would not connect.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 11, 2021 21:49:44 GMT -5
I have very similar thoughts on Osment, which ultimately is why I don't champion this movie.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 11, 2021 22:05:35 GMT -5
Yes, that is the approach the film attempts to take with it, yet the charm and warmness that Spielberg is going for here just doesn’t come across at all. I think that’s mainly because he’s trying to replicate the same cold and detached style that Stanley Kubrick was often known for in his own movies, and that severely interferes with the intended tone here. Now, I will never pretend to be any kind of expert on the filmography of Stanley Kubrick, but watching A.I. again, it clearly felt like Steven Spielberg was doing his best to mimic Kubrick’s style -- to the film’s detriment, ultimately. Because whereas this First Act is supposed to feel all warm and nice and really pull you in, it instead feels like the beginning of a horror film with the way so many shots frame David as he does things like stare longingly at his new mother or suddenly burst out in laughter at a joke during dinner. Everything just feels...off, like you’re waiting for David to go against his programming and kill the couple rather than love them.
I don't know, I think that's sort of the point. The couple really deeply want to love David like a real boy and give him that warm cuddly Spielberg experience but whatever anyone's intentions were this kid in fact wasn't a real boy and his unreality was present from moment one acting as a barrier and by the end of act one you kind of get why the parents would want this robo-kid deactivated. If he wasn't kind of creepy they would just seem like complete monsters for abandoning him and the film's conflict of him wanting to become a "real boy" and failing to find his place in the world would not connect. I can see that, but even still...there's the issue of Haley Joel Osment's performance, which just feels off and thus a hindrance to really connecting and getting involved with his journey to become a "real boy."
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 11, 2021 22:11:55 GMT -5
I like A.I. and the scope of what it's attempting to pull off is very admirable.
But I also think the movie can't successfully oscillate between its tones and while some moments are wondrous others feel off. A very interesting project nonetheless.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Sept 20, 2021 17:10:36 GMT -5
MINORITY REPORT (2002)
Great science fiction always has the ability to make us ponder about the implications and ideas behind the world it creates while simultaneously entertaining us with all the cool toys inherent. In that regard, Steven Spielberg’s Minority Report is most definitely a piece of great science fiction, brimming with thought-provoking ideas that are infused with intense and exciting action sequences, but most importantly, the film contains a real emotional hook at its center that makes it an even more gripping experience. This is quite frankly a masterwork from Spielberg, who’s certainly no stranger to genre films, but in Minority Report, there’s a clear mindset on display from Spielberg for a desire to elevate the material past its straightforward genre roots and deliver something much more rewarding, and it’s successful. After every re-watch of this movie, it always makes me long for another Spielberg film this great made these days. On the surface, Minority Report is a set-up for action sequences, chases and opportunities to showcase special effects — all of which the movie has in spades. But the real beauty of this story, and something the brilliant screenplay takes advantage of, is the fact that there’s plenty of room for ideas and themes with intriguing questions and implications to be raised from them. The fact that the film actually treats the audience intelligently when dealing with said themes is refreshing. Obviously, the main idea at the center of this film is the one of free will vs. determinism, with the most pressing question being: are the people being prevented from carrying out murders truly guilty if they were stopped from committing the crime in the first place? In that case, are we controlled by destiny, or does destiny control us? Furthermore, when factoring in the idea of a minority report, how reliable are the visions of the PreCogs if there’s the possibility of another outcome, and is it enough to hang an entire police force on? Any lesser work, or even any lesser filmmaker, might give in to the temptation to provide basic, easy answers, but Spielberg and his team are able to fully recognize all the dramatic potential this scenario has to offer and explore that potential while still providing all of the thrills we come to expect from a movie like this. Spielberg has dabbled quite successfully into sci-fi territory before with films such as Close Encounters of the Third Kind, E.T. and Jurassic Park, and Minority Report is yet another example of how the man can combine mainstream entertainment with material of real substance. But looking at Minority Report just on the basis of its genre trappings alone, it’s still a great film. The tightly-structured screenplay by Scott Frank and Jon Cohen deftly balances philosophy and action, and there’s never a case of there being too much of one or the other. This film is so tightly-structured and paced, in fact, that its running time of 145 minutes really does go by like that. There’s never a moment in the story that’s boring or in any other way not interesting. Whenever the script isn’t giving us an exciting chase, fight or suspenseful cat-and-mouse game, it’s providing interesting character dynamics, histories and interactions that carry surprising emotional weight to them. Minority Report is certainly thoughtful and engaging on its own, yet it thankfully never becomes the overly cerebral science fiction that keeps you at an emotional distance from everything. John Anderton is a tortured man whose torment closely relates to the ideals of Precrime, and to see him fight against a system he so readily supports on average lends the proceedings a more gripping tone than if this story was just being used for entertainment value. Anderton’s journey is so involving also because of Tom Cruise’s performance, which just might be one of the actor’s best. John Anderton isn’t just another character from the Action Hero Factory for Tom Cruise to play; like I said, he’s a man haunted by the demons of his past, and there’s a certain rawness to Cruise’s performance that really suits the character. Anderton isn’t a man who thinks that a gun is always the easiest solution to a problem, and Cruise is very capable at weaving in emotionality into characters like this that could have easily been walking clichés or cardboard cut-outs of characters. Colin Farrell and Max Von Sydow also turn in strong performances, but the other one that’s really worth singling out here is Samantha Morton, who plays one of the PreCogs named Agatha. As the film goes on, Agatha comes to play a more important part in the story, and the nature of the character requires a certain frailty mixed with a plethora of other emotions, and Morton pretty much hits it out of the park. There’s a scene near the end of the Second Act especially that shows just how good Morton is. Minority Report is also deeply interesting from a directorial standpoint. First of all, Steven Spielberg gives the whole film a very gritty and grimy aesthetic and feel, despite the futuristic setting. He also employs lots of dark coloring and use of shadows in all the scenes, both to enhance the more realistic/grounded quality he’s going for, and it’s a particularly interesting approach when considering that this society being portrayed is one now free of murder, yet it still looks drained of life in more than one instance. Plus, Spielberg integrates the various special effects in a very fluid fashion that’s never distracting and enhances the experience. Science fiction has seen a real comeback since the 2000 decade, and Minority Report is one of the best offerings the genre has given us since then. It’s exciting, involving, thought-provoking; basically, it’s the kind of summer blockbuster we so rarely see, which makes it that much more of something to be valued.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 20, 2021 17:21:07 GMT -5
Minority Report is great, one of Spielberg's most underrated movies. Then again is it underrated? Because everyone I know who has seen it thinks it's awesome. I've only seen it a couple of times but my opinion didn't change between viewings. I should give it another spin before too long.
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