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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 2, 2020 12:09:48 GMT -5
Both are highly important movies that I would like to rewatch.
Cut both.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 2, 2020 12:12:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I think we can do better. Cut both.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 2, 2020 12:13:06 GMT -5
Cut more.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 2, 2020 12:13:11 GMT -5
Cut the two Boomer movies and replace with two Zoomer movies.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 2, 2020 12:22:51 GMT -5
Cut both.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 2, 2020 12:28:37 GMT -5
Oh man, I don't know.... I don't care for either. But are they important enough to the film culture to stay?
I'm going to wait to see if I'm convinced by anyone's arguments for or against.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 2, 2020 12:34:32 GMT -5
Cut them both
This is an easy choice for me. Ugly movies about ugly people doing ugly things. I recently finished the book Easy Rider, Raging Bulls by Peter Biskind, which is about 70's film making. It's a miracle that Easy Rider turned out as well as it did. Dennis Hopper deserves zero credit for any success the film enjoyed. It succeeded despite him, not because of him.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 2, 2020 12:41:32 GMT -5
Cut them both This is an easy choice for me. Ugly movies about ugly people doing ugly things. I recently finished the book Easy Rider, Raging Bulls by Peter Biskind, which is about 70's film making. It's a miracle that Easy Rider turned out as well as it did. Dennis Hopper deserves zero credit for any success the film enjoyed. It succeeded despite him, not because of him. A lot of the claims in that book have been dismissed. |
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Post by donny on Aug 2, 2020 12:53:49 GMT -5
Keep 'em
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Post by Dracula on Aug 2, 2020 13:09:17 GMT -5
Keep Midnight Cowboy
Cut Easy Rider
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 2, 2020 13:16:13 GMT -5
Cut them both This is an easy choice for me. Ugly movies about ugly people doing ugly things. I recently finished the book Easy Rider, Raging Bulls by Peter Biskind, which is about 70's film making. It's a miracle that Easy Rider turned out as well as it did. Dennis Hopper deserves zero credit for any success the film enjoyed. It succeeded despite him, not because of him. A lot of the claims in that book have been dismissed. Yeah, Dennis Hopper wasn't even in Easy Rider. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 2, 2020 13:23:15 GMT -5
A lot of the claims in that book have been dismissed. Yeah, Dennis Hopper wasn't even in Easy Rider. He was busy filming Super Mario Bros. at the time. |
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 2, 2020 13:26:47 GMT -5
Yeah, Dennis Hopper wasn't even in Easy Rider. He was busy filming Super Mario Bros. at the time. We’re nominating that next right? |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 2, 2020 13:28:21 GMT -5
He was busy filming Super Mario Bros. at the time. We’re nominating that next right? I'm debating that and Street Fighter. |
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Post by Neverending on Aug 2, 2020 13:41:33 GMT -5
We’re nominating that next right? I'm debating that and Street Fighter. Mortal Kombat |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 2, 2020 13:42:22 GMT -5
I'm debating that and Street Fighter. Mortal Kombat Annihilation |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 2, 2020 16:19:42 GMT -5
These are both important movies and in my book very good ones as well. They're important for being among the first wave of R-rated films in the wake of the Hays Code finally being abolished and being far more representative of American audiences than what Hollywood was pumping out.
But... that's not really enough, is it? I mean, if I'm going based on that alone then Bonnie and Clyde is the film that truly merits that distinction and it came out two years earlier than both of these movies (and is also a superior film to both of these). I'm a fan of both films and I think both are important films in kicking off the end of classic Hollywood, but they're not top 100 films.
Midnight Cowboy: Cut
Easy Rider: Cut
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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 2, 2020 16:51:28 GMT -5
Cut them both This is an easy choice for me. Ugly movies about ugly people doing ugly things. I recently finished the book Easy Rider, Raging Bulls by Peter Biskind, which is about 70's film making. It's a miracle that Easy Rider turned out as well as it did. Dennis Hopper deserves zero credit for any success the film enjoyed. It succeeded despite him, not because of him. A lot of the claims in that book have been dismissed. A lot of the claims in the book were countered in the book. Any time there were potentially multiple sides of a story, the author sought out the different perspectives and presented them. Dennis Hopper denied pretty much every claim anyone made about him, other than the substance abuse problem. While some of the tales were "he said/she said", loads of others involved multiple people who witnessed his crazy behavior. Even Spielberg complained about how he was portrayed in the book, despite being presented as a generally good guy. The author cut almost everyone a lot of breaks, laying the blame for most bad behavior at the feet of drug abuse, which almost everyone in Hollywood was doing at the time. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 2, 2020 16:58:50 GMT -5
I'm convinced. We should keep Easy Rider for being symbolic of being a happy accident, and a testament to great actors with substance abuse problems that we put up with because it makes them even better.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 2, 2020 17:47:32 GMT -5
i'll go with cut both
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Post by Neverending on Aug 2, 2020 19:37:43 GMT -5
These are both important movies and in my book very good ones as well. They're important for being among the first wave of R-rated films in the wake of the Hays Code finally being abolished and being far more representative of American audiences than what Hollywood was pumping out. But... that's not really enough, is it? I mean, if I'm going based on that alone then Bonnie and Clyde is the film that truly merits that distinction and it came out two years earlier than both of these movies (and is also a superior film to both of these). I'm a fan of both films and I think both are important films in kicking off the end of classic Hollywood, but they're not top 100 films. Midnight Cowboy: Cut Easy Rider: Cut Is Bonnie & Clyde on the list? If not, we gotta rectify that. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 2, 2020 19:39:10 GMT -5
It is.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 2, 2020 19:43:20 GMT -5
Let's list it twice. Both it and The Dark Knight.
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Post by thebtskink on Aug 2, 2020 21:55:10 GMT -5
Normally I'd wait a bit for the next round, but these seem to both be insurmountable leads for cut.
Midnight Cowboy is cut 8-3
Easy Rider is cut 10-1
Next pair up in a bit.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 2, 2020 22:09:39 GMT -5
Like SnoBorderZero said, Bonnie & Clyde already represents those Baby Boomer movies. We don’t need all three. Look for some Gen-X/Millennial/Zoomer movies to put in their place. |
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