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Post by thebtskink on Jul 3, 2020 18:32:41 GMT -5
Reconsidering the AFI Top 100 The AFI top 100 list was originally created in 1998, and repeated in 2007 but has yet to reappear. In this thread we will review the 2007 list, vote whether we think those films belong on the top 100, vote in new films, and eventually at the end i'm going to ask everyone to rank our new 100 for a composite ranking. For the 2007 list items, we will be voting a simple in/out, and I will double up rounds in order to speed things along. If people want to slow down a round to give people chances to rewatch that's fine as well. Every 10 movies or so, we'll have users submit nominations of items not on our list, with majority rule covering the vacancies presented by the previous 10 considered. New additions can be nominated multiple times during the voting process, and we will have a trim-down or vote-in exercise at the end prior to the ranking stage. Let's do this.  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CS! Revised AFI Top 100 (Pre-Ranking):IN:1. Citizen Kane 2. The Godfather 4. Raging Bull 5. Singin' in the Rain 6. Gone with the Wind 7. Lawrence of Arabia 9. Vertigo 10. The Wizard of Oz 11. City Lights 13. Star Wars 14. Psycho 15. 2001: A Space Odyssey 16. Sunset Boulevard 17. The Graduate 18. The General 19. On the Waterfront 20. It's a Wonderful Life 21. Chinatown 22. Some Like it Hot 24. E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial 27. High Noon 28. All About Eve 29. Double Indemnity 30. Apocalypse Now 31. The Maltese Falcon 32. The Godfather Part II 33. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest 35. Annie Hall 36. The Bridge of the River Kwai 38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre 39. Dr. Strangelove Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb 41. King Kong 42. Bonnie and Clyde 46. It Happened One Night 48. Rear Window 50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Rings 51. West Side Story 52. Taxi Driver 55. North by Northwest 56. Jaws 57. Rocky 58. The Gold Rush 59. Nashville 60. Duck Soup 61. Sullivan's Travels 64. Network 66. Raiders of the Lost Ark 67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? 68. Unforgiven 70. A Clockwork Orange 71. Saving Private Ryan 72. The Shawshank Redemption 74. The Silence of the Lambs 77. All the President's Men 78. Modern Times 80. The Apartment 82. Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans 86. Platoon 87. 12 Angry Men 88. Bringing Up Baby 92. Goodfellas 93. The French Connection 94. Pulp Fiction 95. The Last Picture Show 96. Do the Right Thing 97. Blade Runner 100. Ben-Hur OUT:
23. The Grapes of Wrath 25. To Kill a Mockingbird 26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington 34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 37. The Best Years of Our Lives 40. The Sound of Music 43. Midnight Cowboy 44. The Philadelphia Story 45. Shane 47. A Streetcar Named Desire 49. Intolerance 53. The Deer Hunter 54. M*A*S*H 62. American Grafitti 63. Cabaret 65. The African Queen 69. Tootsie 73. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 75. In the Heat of the Night 76. Forrest Gump 81. Spartacus 83. Titanic 84. Easy Rider 85. A Night at the Opera 89. The Sixth Sense 90. Swing Time 91. Sophie's Choice 98. Yankee Doodle Dandy 99. Toy Story VOTED IN:There Will Be Blood (2007) The Shining (1980) His Girl Friday (1940) The Dark Knight (2008) The Night of the Hunter (1955) The Social Network (2010) Fantasia (1940) Wall-E (2008) Fargo (1996) Bride of Frankenstein (1935) Safety Last! (1923) The Manchurian Candidate (1962) Back to the Future (1985) Alien (1979) The Truman Show (1998) The Matrix (1999) This is Spinal Tap (1984) Stagecoach (1939) The Exorcist (1973) The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) L.A. Confidential (1997) Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988) Heat (1995) Rosemary's Baby (1968) Touch of Evil (1958) Barry Lyndon (1975) Badlands (1973) Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) Before Sunset (2004) Aliens (1986) |
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 3, 2020 18:34:18 GMT -5
9. Vertigo (1958)Director: Alfred HitchcockStarring: James Stewart, Kim Novak
Number 1 on 2012's Sight and Sound PollAn ex-police officer who suffers from an intense fear of heights is hired to prevent an old friend's wife from committing suicide, but all is not as it seems. Hitchcock's haunting, compelling masterpiece is uniquely revelatory about the director's own predilections and hang-ups and is widely considered to be one of his masterworks. 29. Double Indemnity (1944)Director: Billy Wilder
Written by Billy Wilder and Raymond Chandler
Starring: The Shaggy Dog, Barbara Stanwyck, and Edward "The Original" G. RobinsonDoes not appear on 2012's Sight and Sound Poll
In this classic film noir, insurance salesman Walter Neff (Fred MacMurray) gets roped into a murderous scheme when he falls for the sensual Phyllis Dietrichson (Barbara Stanwyck), who is intent on killing her husband (Tom Powers) and living off the fraudulent accidental death claim. Prompted by the late Mr. Dietrichson's daughter, Lola (Jean Heather), insurance investigator Barton Keyes (Edward G. Robinson) looks into the case, and gradually begins to uncover the sinister truth.
I vote to include Vertigo.
I'm torn on having Double Indemnity in as the noir representative of American Cinema. Chinatown is also on the list, but would it make more sense to have The Big Sleep or Cape Fear here rather than Double Indemnity?
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 3, 2020 18:53:27 GMT -5
This list needs more Birdemic and Ouija Shark.
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How do i delete other's posts? You're stuck with it and you live with it. |
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Post by Dracula on Jul 3, 2020 18:57:00 GMT -5
Vertigo: keep
Double Indemnity: Keep
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 3, 2020 19:09:13 GMT -5
Love this idea. I've been waiting for AFI to make a new list and can't find a statement from them on not having a new one anywhere. They need to get that out ASAP, so maybe we can shove this in their direction and expedite the process.
Vertigo: Keep
No brainer here. We can debate if this or Psycho or Rear Window are Hitchcock's best film, but all three deserve to be among the greatest American films ever.
Double Indemnity: Keep
Not only is this a fantastic film and one of the top five film-noirs ever made, it separates itself from having the protagonist not be a detective, police officer, or any of the usual tropes and makes him a regular insurance salesman who gets roped into a sinister plot. Throw in Barbara Stanwyck's best performance of her career and brilliant direction by the masterful Billy Wilder and this is one that has earned its keep.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 3, 2020 19:14:51 GMT -5
Love this idea. I've been waiting for AFI to make a new list and can't find a statement from them on not having a new one anywhere. They need to get that out ASAP, so maybe we can shove this in their direction and expedite the process. I don't think it's going to happen again. CBS probably isn't interested in airing the specials anymore, so there's no profit motive, also they are probably wary of causing a backlash if whatever list they compile isn't diverse enough for certain tastes so it's more likely to cause bad publicity for them than good publicity. |
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Post by donny on Jul 3, 2020 19:15:42 GMT -5
Vertigo: 100% Keep
Double Identiy: Keep
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 3, 2020 19:27:35 GMT -5
Vertigo: Keep
Double Indemnity: Keep
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jul 3, 2020 19:55:23 GMT -5
Keep them both
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 3, 2020 20:01:49 GMT -5
Definitely keep Vertigo. No question.
I'm also voting to keep Double Indemnity. The dialogue is so fucking good. Perfect ending too.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 3, 2020 20:03:58 GMT -5
Drop them both, because fuck unanimous.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jul 3, 2020 20:10:38 GMT -5
Drop them both, because fuck unanimous. Such integrity of conviction is overwhelming. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 3, 2020 20:15:56 GMT -5
Drop them both, because fuck unanimous. Such integrity of conviction is overwhelming. Integrity is for Neverending and conviction is for RedVader. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 4, 2020 10:28:46 GMT -5
Vertigo: keep
Double Indemnity: Cut. I just feel like there are better representations of film noir out there, Vertigo among them, actually. I also think there are better representations of Billy Wilder.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 4, 2020 10:42:03 GMT -5
Hmm, this is interesting, because do I vote on whether I personally like a movie or not? I think for the purpose of this list, not necessarily. Therefore I vote to keep both of them.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 4, 2020 10:45:26 GMT -5
Hmm, this is interesting, because do I vote on whether I personally like a movie or not? I think for the purpose of this list, not necessarily. Therefore I vote to keep both of them. I'm voting based if I like them. My lose rule is if I think it's a five star movie it stays. |
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 4, 2020 10:52:57 GMT -5
I'd like my final list to have a broad representation, so I'm going to be forced to ask myself if I need multiples from a style, a director, a writer, or an actor.
I'm probably not alone in that.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 4, 2020 11:26:32 GMT -5
I'm leaving this up until I'm back from 4th of July festivities today and will hope to have a new pair tonight.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 4, 2020 11:35:17 GMT -5
I'd like my final list to have a broad representation, so I'm going to be forced to ask myself if I need multiples from a style, a director, a writer, or an actor. I'm probably not alone in that. But this is the "top 100" films, not the "100 films that most broadly represent cinema," so to me it's a simple matter of whether or not I can think of more than 99 films that are better than a given movie. If one director, writer, or actor just so happens to have made a half dozen such movies, so be it. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 4, 2020 11:53:06 GMT -5
My Cut vote for Double Indemnity would still stand in that case.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 4, 2020 12:14:45 GMT -5
I'd like my final list to have a broad representation, so I'm going to be forced to ask myself if I need multiples from a style, a director, a writer, or an actor. I'm probably not alone in that. But this is the "top 100" films, not the "100 films that most broadly represent cinema," so to me it's a simple matter of whether or not I can think of more than 99 films that are better than a given movie. If one director, writer, or actor just so happens to have made a half dozen such movies, so be it. I'm with you. Unspooled's obsession with representation on their podcast kind of bugs me. I get it but... |
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