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Post by Neverending on Oct 31, 2019 20:30:25 GMT -5
It’s just a soft reboot with gender bended roles. Doomsday will love it.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 1, 2019 2:29:47 GMT -5
Yeah. Pretty much. Terminator Sega Genesis was stoopid but at least I stayed awake.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 1, 2019 18:47:40 GMT -5
Box office projections have been lowered, oy yey.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 2, 2019 8:30:03 GMT -5
The best we could hope for here was the third best terminator. It certainly accomplished that. I quite liked it.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 2, 2019 14:54:09 GMT -5
The best we could hope for here was the third best terminator. It certainly accomplished that. I quite liked it.
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Post by FShuttari on Nov 2, 2019 21:23:30 GMT -5
geekdommovies.com/terminator-dark-fate-review/With James Cameron back as a co -writer and producer, Terminator franchise finally gets an installment which can stand up to the first part (1984) and the difficult to beat ‘Judgement Day’ (1991). A much needed return to form for the franchise after the underwhelming response to the last three Terminator films. Positioned as a direct sequel to ‘Judgement Day’, watching Arnold Schwarzenegger and Linda Hamilton in one frame offers solid nostalgia to the franchise fans. Especially 90s kids like me who grew up on first two parts. Linda reprises her iconic role of Sarah Connor while Arnie is T-800. An aging Sarah amust protect youngster Dani (Natalia Reyes) who is the latest target. A super advanced Rev-9 (Gabriel Luna) is sent in time for her termination while an augmented human Grace (Mackenzie Davis) is the protector. The stage is set for some extraordinary action sequences with jaw dropping VFX. Though technically, this is the second best Terminator film after Judgement Day. The movie still doesn’t live up to T2, and lacks the style and emotional touch of Cameron directed Terminators. Nevertheless, I still enjoyed a trip back to the cinemas. Just for watching Hamilton and Schwarzenegger pump bullets into Terminators!
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Post by Deexan on Nov 3, 2019 3:19:32 GMT -5
*third best
*Judgment Day
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Post by 1godzillafan on Nov 3, 2019 7:38:05 GMT -5
*Sixth best
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Sounds like it’s bombing pretty hard. Another planned trilogy down the drain.
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Terminator: Dark Fate(10/31/2019) Few major franchises have been as mismanaged as the Terminator series, which came out of the gate like gangbusters with two straight classics of the action and sci-fi genres, but since then we’ve gotten not one, not two, but three different attempts at more or less rebooting the series that have either underwhelmed or completely and humiliatingly failed. I didn’t even bother seeing the last two reboot attempts, so why did I find myself giving this one a chance? I don’t know, maybe it was that James Cameron was on board as a producer (which didn’t help the forgettable Terminator 3) or maybe it was that it had serious money behind it (which didn’t help Terminator: Salvation) or maybe it was because I thought that if they had the audacity to try again so soon after the widely hated Terminator Genisys that they must have had something interesting up their sleeve. Well, I’m not really sure that they did, because even though this is easily the most respectable Terminator film since 1991 it never quite manages to be anything overly inspired either.
There are a key handful of reasons why no one has managed to bring that Terminator magic back. For one, Terminator 2 tied itself up way more than the second installment of any action movie ever would. Cameron almost seemed to have intentionally written the series into a corner in an attempt to keep anyone else from following him. On that front this reboot seems to have done a better job than some of its predecessors in that its script does a reasonably good job of explaining why the machines still rose even though Judgement Day was averted, it has to contrive a little (well, a lot really) to do it, but it does the best it probably could. The second reason no one was able to follow up the first two movies is that that T-1000 was a hell of a villain and it was hard to come up with another machine that would be an even bigger threat than a bullet-proof morphing liquid metal guy. For Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines they had the idea of having the liquid metal surround a more traditional robot endo-skeleton, but it was never exactly clear why that was supposed to be more intimidating, if you could just be pure liquid metal why would you want a crushable endoskeleton? For the new movie’s villain they do more or less recycle that idea but do at least do a little more to establish why that might be an advantage. It kind of lets him be in two places at once and can act as a bit of a backup plan. It’s still not quite the inspired upgrade that the T-800 to T-1000 transition was but it does at least mostly work for the movie.
However, the film does run right into the third obstacle that’s been holding these Terminator sequels back: the hiring of second-rate jobber directors. The last three Terminator sequels were directed by Jonathan Mostow, McG, and Alan Taylor who were respectively: a nobody who had just made a bad submarine movie, an infamous hack, and a TV director who had just made what is widely believed to be the worst MCU movie. The guy they got to direct this one is Tim Miller, who to his credit does have a hit on his resume with Deadpool, but his hiring here seems to suggest a slight misunderstanding of why that movie was a hit. Deadpool was popular for its comedy and general attitude but it most certainly wasn’t popular for its actions sequences, which were quite weak. It is not a coincidence that they dumped Miller and got one of the John Wick creators to make the sequel. The set-pieces here are reasonably well conceived but I don’t Miller shoots them particularly well. He zooms in too close and the editing isn’t quite right. That undermines the movie quite a bit but the bigger problem here is just the absence of interesting new ideas. James Cameron may have retroactively hurt the film’s long term prospects by making two straight chase movies that kind of followed the same formula. He was able to get away with that for Terminator 2 because he got his hands on some revolutionary special effects but there hasn’t been a comparable leap since, or at least not one that a Terminator movie is going to effectively show off. So we keep getting movies like this which try to do that same thing but with ever so slightly different characters taking the place of the people who were there before. There are a couple of neat ideas thrown into this one (I like what they did with Schwarzenegger’s character for example), and there are certainly worse movies out there but overall this still just feels like an imitation of a master’s work by a plainly inferior disciple. *** out of Five
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2019 0:11:33 GMT -5
Terminator: Dark Fate(10/31/2019)
Few major franchises have been as mismanaged as the Terminator series, which came out of the gate like gangbusters with two straight classics of the action and sci-fi genres, but since then we’ve gotten not one, not two, but three different attempts at more or less rebooting the series that have either underwhelmed or completely and humiliatingly failed. I didn’t even bother seeing the last two reboot attempts, so why did I find myself giving this one a chance? I don’t know, maybe it was that James Cameron was on board as a producer (which didn’t help the forgettable Terminator 3) or maybe it was that it had serious money behind it (which didn’t help Terminator: Salvation) or maybe it was because I thought that if they had the audacity to try again so soon after the widely hated Terminator Genisys that they must have had something interesting up their sleeve. Well, I’m not really sure that they did, because even though this is easily the most respectable Terminator film since 1991 it never quite manages to be anything overly inspired either. There are a key handful of reasons why no one has managed to bring that Terminator magic back. For one, Terminator 2 tied itself up way more than the second installment of any action movie ever would. Cameron almost seemed to have intentionally written the series into a corner in an attempt to keep anyone else from following him. On that front this reboot seems to have done a better job than some of its predecessors in that its script does a reasonably good job of explaining why the machines still rose even though Judgement Day was averted, it has to contrive a little (well, a lot really) to do it, but it does the best it probably could. The second reason no one was able to follow up the first two movies is that that T-1000 was a hell of a villain and it was hard to come up with another machine that would be an even bigger threat than a bullet-proof morphing liquid metal guy. For Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines they had the idea of having the liquid metal surround a more traditional robot endo-skeleton, but it was never exactly clear why that was supposed to be more intimidating, if you could just be pure liquid metal why would you want a crushable endoskeleton? For the new movie’s villain they do more or less recycle that idea but do at least do a little more to establish why that might be an advantage. It kind of lets him be in two places at once and can act as a bit of a backup plan. It’s still not quite the inspired upgrade that the T-800 to T-1000 transition was but it does at least mostly work for the movie. However, the film does run right into the third obstacle that’s been holding these Terminator sequels back: the hiring of second-rate jobber directors. The last three Terminator sequels were directed by Jonathan Mostow, McG, and Alan Taylor who were respectively: a nobody who had just made a bad submarine movie, an infamous hack, and a TV director who had just made what is widely believed to be the worst MCU movie. The guy they got to direct this one is Tim Miller, who to his credit does have a hit on his resume with Deadpool, but his hiring here seems to suggest a slight misunderstanding of why that movie was a hit. Deadpool was popular for its comedy and general attitude but it most certainly wasn’t popular for its actions sequences, which were quite weak. It is not a coincidence that they dumped Miller and got one of the John Wick creators to make the sequel. The set-pieces here are reasonably well conceived but I don’t Miller shoots them particularly well. He zooms in too close and the editing isn’t quite right. That undermines the movie quite a bit but the bigger problem here is just the absence of interesting new ideas. James Cameron may have retroactively hurt the film’s long term prospects by making two straight chase movies that kind of followed the same formula. He was able to get away with that for Terminator 2 because he got his hands on some revolutionary special effects but there hasn’t been a comparable leap since, or at least not one that a Terminator movie is going to effectively show off. So we keep getting movies like this which try to do that same thing but with ever so slightly different characters taking the place of the people who were there before. There are a couple of neat ideas thrown into this one (I like what they did with Schwarzenegger’s character for example), and there are certainly worse movies out there but overall this still just feels like an imitation of a master’s work by a plainly inferior disciple. *** out of Five
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 4, 2019 0:49:27 GMT -5
Despite the fact that Terminator is all but dead at this point I think it, IF they were going to do another one they might want to just go all the way back and make it similar to the first Terminator, have only one machine and have the supporting cast be humans. Most of this series has been machine vs. some upgraded machine and it's just hard to stay interesting. Take it back to its simple roots, don't try to change or redo everything and make it raw. Throw in some tits while you're at it, why not? It worked for the first one. Having just one machine and everyone else human makes it that much more suspenseful because you can only watch characters blow up in a truck knowing full well they aren't dead so many times before it gets boring.
Then again it's 2019 and it would be impossible to walk the franchise back that much. Also, they aren't going to make another Terminator so who cares?
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Post by Dracula on Nov 4, 2019 0:52:34 GMT -5
Also, they aren't going to make another Terminator so who cares? That's what I thought after Genisys... and Salvation... and here we are.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2019 1:03:27 GMT -5
make it similar to the first Terminator That seems to be the consensus right now. Why spend $185 million on same ol’ shit when you can spend $25 million on a sci-fi/horror movie. Also, they aren't going to make another Terminator so who cares? That's what I thought after Genisys... and Salvation... and here we are. I’m sure they’ll be another Terminator but not for another decade.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 4, 2019 1:22:48 GMT -5
Eh. Didn't like it. Nice try, but it didn't move the needle for me. I guess I, like many, am sort of Terminatored out. This feels like mostly just a Greatest Hits playlist of the first two's best qualities, yet it still feels kind of hollow. We've seen this all before. What more is there to do with the formula? Sure, it's the "best" since T2, but that's by default. The movie comes alive once Arnold shows up, though Linda Hamilton and Mackenzie Davis both crush it. It's this franchise's Force Awakens. Though where that movie took a formula and made it into a legitimately enjoyable movie nonetheless, Dark Fate feels so beholden to T1 and T2 that it robs itself of any sense of identity on its own. At least Jenny Smith took some swings four years ago. I mostly just found this to be kinda boring.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 4, 2019 1:27:35 GMT -5
Also, they aren't going to make another Terminator so who cares? That's what I thought after Genisys... and Salvation... and here we are. Yup, and we've all paid the price too.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2019 1:35:34 GMT -5
Eh. Didn't like it. Nice try, but it didn't move the needle for me. I guess I, like many, am sort of Terminatored out. This feels like mostly just a Greatest Hits playlist of the first two's best qualities, yet it still feels kind of hollow. We've seen this all before. What more is there to do with the formula? Sure, it's the "best" since T2, but that's by default. The movie comes alive once Arnold shows up, though Linda Hamilton and Mackenzie Davis both crush it. It's this franchise's Force Awakens. Though where that movie took a formula and made it into a legitimately enjoyable movie nonetheless, Dark Fate feels so beholden to T1 and T2 that it robs itself of any sense of identity on its own. At least Jenny Smith took some swings four years ago. I mostly just found this to be kinda boring.
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Post by daniel on Nov 4, 2019 9:32:10 GMT -5
"this still just feels like an imitation of a master’s work by a plainly inferior disciple."
Dracula summed up my thoughts well. This felt a lot like The Force Awakens rebooting A New Hope.
There is a Terminator threat looming, but everyone was successful, and Skynet was thwarted, but as Dr Ian Malcolm once told us, "Life ... uhhh, finds a way."
So, here we are, given a new threat of the Cyborg Uprising with a new company called Legion, a new John Connor named Dani, and a new Terminator protector named Grace. However, the plot allows for Arnold and Linda Hamilton to return alongside them. This time around, instead of trying to thwart the Cyborg Uprising (which seems inevitable, because no matter how hard they try, the Terminators always come), they decide to just hunker down and prepare for it.
But even some of the scenes are just modern updates. There is a chase early in the movie with the liquid metal Terminator in a big truck barreling down the good guys, then it ends in an explosion, and the good guys walk away so the camera can linger on the explosion and see the liquid metal Terminator emerge. Yes, this is the exact synopsis of a scene in both T2 and this movie.
Then the movie ends, and it ends just like how T2 ended. No kidding, Arnie throws himself into a pit with the liquid-metal terminator, and the red light in his eye goes out. The exact same synopsis of the ending of both T2 and this movie.
Way too on the nose.
Anyway, if you are excited about gender and race mixups in your Terminator story, then this is the movie for you. Otherwise, this movie was pointless as fuck while still achieving a decent degree of entertainment and action.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2019 11:26:11 GMT -5
That's what I thought after Genisys... and Salvation... and here we are. Yup, and we've all paid the price too.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Nov 4, 2019 11:35:23 GMT -5
Yup, and we've all paid the price too. What button do I press to piss on the grave?
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Nov 4, 2019 14:43:13 GMT -5
I don't need to go much into the legacy of the Terminator franchise since it's well known by now that the first two films by James Cameron are lauded as absolute classics in powerhouse filmmaking and the three attempts since have been underwhelming to say the least. There were always a bevy of excuses for why those three films failed, chiefly among them being that Cameron had only minimal involvement with them. Well, that changed when Cameron got the rights to the franchise back, and word around Hollywood was that he was developing a new script that would ignore the last three films and be the direct sequel to Terminator 2: Judgment Day that we've been waiting for. No, he wouldn't direct it nor overtly write it, but he would be heavily involved in overseeing the story and also be a hands-on producer this time around. Add to this that Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger would be reprising their roles and the film would be rated R, and thus people began whispering in wonder if we would finally get a Terminator film that was, if not on the level of the first two but at least worthy of bearing their name, the best since 1991. Well there I sat, watching this film play out in spectacularly familiar fashion, nodding at the plot beats as they happened exactly how I imagined them to. About halfway through I realized that Dark Fate, for all its murmurings of shaking things up while also bringing the franchise back to its tremendous roots, was perhaps the most derivative Terminator yet, offering no new ideas, thrills, or even unique action set pieces that had me puzzled as to what exactly Cameron had brought to the table here. Dark Fate is actually the exact opposite of what was promised, proving that this franchise has absolutely nowhere to go and should finally be put to rest once and for all. It's one of the biggest disappointments of the year, despite a talented cast at the forefront of it all, and certainly won't have anyone relinquishing their fond memories of the original two films.
The story gets somewhat of an update where this time the action begins in Mexico City and the "Sarah Connor" of the film is Dani Ramos (Natalia Reyes), who is targeted by an advanced Terminator model, a REV-9 (Gabriel Luna) that seeks to kill her and alter her impact in the future. She's saved by Grace (Mackenzie Davis), a human who reminds us several times throughout the film that she's been augmented into a sort of super soldier that can go toe-to-toe with Terminators. While doing battle with the REV-9 on a Mexico City freeway, Dani and Grace are aided by Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton), who informs them that she prevented Judgment Day years ago but lost her son, John, as a result of her efforts anyways. Grace retorts that Judgment Day did end up happening, as she comes from the machine-ruled future and has been sent back to protect Dani. If all of this sounds incredibly familiar, well that's because it is. There's no real deviation from formula despite a few insignificant changes here and there. Eventually they meet up with the T-800 (Arnold Schwarzenegger) who is now going under the name Carl in what's possibly the most laughably baffling turn they could have done with his character. During this time, the REV-9 pursues them and pursues them and pursues them some more. Oh sure, they hop in helicopters, cars, military vehicles, planes, and they just keep on running away from their pursuer. There's a relentless repetitiveness to the whole affair, and all of the action set pieces just start to blend in with one another after awhile. I would find myself zoning out for a second only to look up and go "oh, Dani is now trapped in something when did that happen? Oh wait, it doesn't matter".
One of the most frustrating aspects of a film is not so much when it's bad but when it's predictable, and this is a film that is ploddingly beat by beat to the tune of been there done that throughout. It's hard to understand what exactly Cameron brought to this story other than simplistically rehashing his own ideas. It's a clunky affair of machines fighting one another without any compelling reasons of doing so, and the action itself is highly dull as well which doesn't help anything. There's nothing new here, which is disappointing since the cast assembled is a talented one that deserves a lot better than the mediocre material they have to work with. Another element that's striking given Cameron's involvement is the shoddy effects work going on here. Everything is painfully CGI with little to no emphasis on the practical, and when your effects pale in comparison to the ones exhibited in groundbreaking fashion in 1991 that's not good. I've read the Cameron is already on the defensive, claiming he had to hijack the edit to salvage the movie in what he could, and to an extent I suppose that's true since I find director Tim Miller to be little more than a studio yes-man whose only significant credit is the immensely overrated Deadpool, but it's still a bullshit thing to say since Cameron was supposedly as involved as he was. This wasn't a movie that died or was saved in the editing room, but was a dull nonsensical film from its conception, offering nothing new and nothing interesting. Terminator: Dark Fate is a stunningly dull entry, one that has very little to grasp from positively. To say it's the "best" of the sequels since Terminator 2 I suppose is correct, but the gap between Dark Fate and those three films is very slim as opposed to the wide gap between them and the original two. Hopefully our fate won't include anymore of these derivative Terminator films.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2019 15:07:57 GMT -5
I don't need to go much into the legacy of the Terminator franchise since it's well known by now that the first two films by James Cameron are lauded as absolute classics in powerhouse filmmaking and the three attempts since have been underwhelming to say the least. There were always a bevy of excuses for why those three films failed, chiefly among them being that Cameron had only minimal involvement with them. Well, that changed when Cameron got the rights to the franchise back, and word around Hollywood was that he was developing a new script that would ignore the last three films and be the direct sequel to Terminator 2: Judgment Day that we've been waiting for. No, he wouldn't direct it nor overtly write it, but he would be heavily involved in overseeing the story and also be a hands-on producer this time around. Add to this that Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger would be reprising their roles and the film would be rated R, and thus people began whispering in wonder if we would finally get a Terminator film that was, if not on the level of the first two but at least worthy of bearing their name, the best since 1991. Well there I sat, watching this film play out in spectacularly familiar fashion, nodding at the plot beats as they happened exactly how I imagined them to. About halfway through I realized that Dark Fate, for all its murmurings of shaking things up while also bringing the franchise back to its tremendous roots, was perhaps the most derivative Terminator yet, offering no new ideas, thrills, or even unique action set pieces that had me puzzled as to what exactly Cameron had brought to the table here. Dark Fate is actually the exact opposite of what was promised, proving that this franchise has absolutely nowhere to go and should finally be put to rest once and for all. It's one of the biggest disappointments of the year, despite a talented cast at the forefront of it all, and certainly won't have anyone relinquishing their fond memories of the original two films. The story gets somewhat of an update where this time the action begins in Mexico City and the "Sarah Connor" of the film is Dani Ramos (Natalia Reyes), who is targeted by an advanced Terminator model, a REV-9 (Gabriel Luna) that seeks to kill her and alter her impact in the future. She's saved by Grace (Mackenzie Davis), a human who reminds us several times throughout the film that she's been augmented into a sort of super soldier that can go toe-to-toe with Terminators. While doing battle with the REV-9 on a Mexico City freeway, Dani and Grace are aided by Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton), who informs them that she prevented Judgment Day years ago but lost her son, John, as a result of her efforts anyways. Grace retorts that Judgment Day did end up happening, as she comes from the machine-ruled future and has been sent back to protect Dani. If all of this sounds incredibly familiar, well that's because it is. There's no real deviation from formula despite a few insignificant changes here and there. Eventually they meet up with the T-800 (Arnold Schwarzenegger) who is now going under the name Carl in what's possibly the most laughably baffling turn they could have done with his character. During this time, the REV-9 pursues them and pursues them and pursues them some more. Oh sure, they hop in helicopters, cars, military vehicles, planes, and they just keep on running away from their pursuer. There's a relentless repetitiveness to the whole affair, and all of the action set pieces just start to blend in with one another after awhile. I would find myself zoning out for a second only to look up and go "oh, Dani is now trapped in something when did that happen? Oh wait, it doesn't matter". One of the most frustrating aspects of a film is not so much when it's bad but when it's predictable, and this is a film that is ploddingly beat by beat to the tune of been there done that throughout. It's hard to understand what exactly Cameron brought to this story other than simplistically rehashing his own ideas. It's a clunky affair of machines fighting one another without any compelling reasons of doing so, and the action itself is highly dull as well which doesn't help anything. There's nothing new here, which is disappointing since the cast assembled is a talented one that deserves a lot better than the mediocre material they have to work with. Another element that's striking given Cameron's involvement is the shoddy effects work going on here. Everything is painfully CGI with little to no emphasis on the practical, and when your effects pale in comparison to the ones exhibited in groundbreaking fashion in 1991 that's not good. I've read the Cameron is already on the defensive, claiming he had to hijack the edit to salvage the movie in what he could, and to an extent I suppose that's true since I find director Tim Miller to be little more than a studio yes-man whose only significant credit is the immensely overrated Deadpool, but it's still a bullshit thing to say since Cameron was supposedly as involved as he was. This wasn't a movie that died or was saved in the editing room, but was a dull nonsensical film from its conception, offering nothing new and nothing interesting. Terminator: Dark Fate is a stunningly dull entry, one that has very little to grasp from positively. To say it's the "best" of the sequels since Terminator 2 I suppose is correct, but the gap between Dark Fate and those three films is very slim as opposed to the wide gap between them and the original two. Hopefully our fate won't include anymore of these derivative Terminator films. 5/10 Fox (Disney) co-financed the movie. I wonder if Cameron was forced to make the movie, to get some sort of leverage for his Avatar sequels. As you said... there’s no new ideas presented in the movie, even though Cameron is capable of doing so. You got nobodies on the Internet coming up with ideas for Terminator movies. Making a good movie isn’t so out-of-reach.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 4, 2019 15:17:43 GMT -5
You got nobodies on the Internet coming up with ideas for Terminator movies. Hey, I resent that.
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