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Post by 1godzillafan on Nov 4, 2019 15:35:08 GMT -5
there’s no new ideas presented in the movie, Hey, there are two new ideas. Killing John at the start (who cares?) and a Terminator cempleting his mission then deciding to raise a family in Mexico and learns to FEEL (which is hysterical).
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Nov 4, 2019 16:27:36 GMT -5
What they did with Arnold's character was borderline blasphemous. I thought they were going to joke about how fucking stupid that whole concept is, but they just kept doubling down on it. Awful.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2019 16:31:55 GMT -5
there’s no new ideas presented in the movie, Hey, there are two new ideas. Killing John at the start (who cares?) and a Terminator cempleting his mission then deciding to raise a family in Mexico and learns to FEEL (which is hysterical). Those ideas didn’t serve the story. They were excuses to get Arnold & Linda in the movie. An idea would be, say, Trump destroys the planet. Him and Putin start WWIII and the fallout of the nuclear weapons leads to an environmental disaster and it kills the planet. So John Connor has to go back in time to stop himself from stopping Judgment Day because fighting a bunch of robots is better than President Trump. Where’s my paycheck, Disney?
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Post by Dracula on Nov 4, 2019 19:26:46 GMT -5
I liked what they did with Schwarzenegger. It was the closest thing to an original idea in the movie and it provided some laughs. Frankly would have liked to see it explored more.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Nov 4, 2019 19:39:22 GMT -5
Hey, there are two new ideas. Killing John at the start (who cares?) and a Terminator cempleting his mission then deciding to raise a family in Mexico and learns to FEEL (which is hysterical). Those ideas didn’t serve the story. They were excuses to get Arnold & Linda in the movie. It's all this movie has though. If you take it away, it just makes it worse. I mean, shit, I don't care if a movie is good or bad. I only ask for one of two things from movies, that they be entertaining or they be interesting (or hilarious, but that might be a subgenre of entertaining). I keep hearing people describe Dark Fate as easily the best since T2, but that's really not how I see it. Most competently made is probably the best words I'd use to describe it, but can I consider it the best? That's when I look back at the other sequels. Rise of the Machines was, like Dark Fate, a T2 clone. But it amped up the action to absurd levels and just delivered a crazy ride. I found it entertaining. Salvation was the most incompetently made one, but it at the very least was a movie that was going in the direction the Terminator series should have been going. And to it's credit, it told a story we didn't expect, though not necessarily a story we wanted. The movie wasn't entertaining, but I found aspects interesting. Genisys was a train wreck of too many ideas, but at it's core it took the idea of the franchise and did a unique spin on it. It spirales out of control, but it's a weird oddity of a film which gives it a leg up in my book. I found what it was trying to do interesting, and its epic failure to do so entertaining. Dark Fate is...a T2 clone. With tame action, and a ho hum story we've seen before. It's just boring. For that, I dare say I enjoyed it the least out of all the Terminator movies, because it's neither entertaining nor interesting.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2019 20:00:22 GMT -5
Those ideas didn’t serve the story. They were excuses to get Arnold & Linda in the movie. It's all this movie has though. If you take it away, it just makes it worse. I mean, shit, I don't care if a movie is good or bad. I only ask for one of two things from movies, that they be entertaining or they be interesting (or hilarious, but that might be a subgenre of entertaining). I keep hearing people describe Dark Fate as easily the best since T2, but that's really not how I see it. Most competently made is probably the best words I'd use to describe it, but can I consider it the best? That's when I look back at the other sequels. Rise of the Machines was, like Dark Fate, a T2 clone. But it amped up the action to absurd levels and just delivered a crazy ride. I found it entertaining. Salvation was the most incompetently made one, but it at the very least was a movie that was going in the direction the Terminator series should have been going. And to it's credit, it told a story we didn't expect, though not necessarily a story we wanted. The movie wasn't entertaining, but I found aspects interesting. Genisys was a train wreck of too many ideas, but at it's core it took the idea of the franchise and did a unique spin on it. It spirales out of control, but it's a weird oddity of a film which gives it a leg up in my book. I found what it was trying to do interesting, and its epic failure to do so entertaining. Dark Fate is...a T2 clone. With tame action, and a ho hum story we've seen before. It's just boring. For that, I dare say I enjoyed it the least out of all the Terminator movies, because it's neither entertaining nor interesting. People have short memories and hyperbolic opinions. This is easily the worst Terminator movie.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 4, 2019 21:09:37 GMT -5
Hmm, interesting.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 4, 2019 21:14:17 GMT -5
Wait, so... If Arnold kills John at the beginning and then Skynet doesn't exist....who sent Arnold back? And if it was the other OS that took over, why would it still have Arnold-model Terminators?
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Post by Dracula on Nov 4, 2019 21:31:04 GMT -5
Wait, so... If Arnold kills John at the beginning and then Skynet doesn't exist....who sent Arnold back? And if it was the other OS that took over, why would it still have Arnold-model Terminators? It's long been established that this franchise does not follow Back to the Future rules. The people who have been sent back don't disappear once the future has been changed. It's why Arnold still had to be melted at the end of T2 even though the Cyberdyne research had all been destroyed.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Nov 5, 2019 0:41:33 GMT -5
I liked what they did with Schwarzenegger. It was the closest thing to an original idea in the movie and it provided some laughs. Frankly would have liked to see it explored more. But the explanation that his family doesn't know he's a Terminator because he never gets intimate with his wife was ridiculous. Their attempts at including Arnold in these films have only gotten worse and worse, and for me this was something Robot Chicken would've concocted as parody.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 5, 2019 0:50:29 GMT -5
Wait, so... If Arnold kills John at the beginning and then Skynet doesn't exist....who sent Arnold back? And if it was the other OS that took over, why would it still have Arnold-model Terminators? It's long been established that this franchise does not follow Back to the Future rules. The people who have been sent back don't disappear once the future has been changed. It's why Arnold still had to be melted at the end of T2 even though the Cyberdyne research had all been destroyed. Terminator logic is “you’re fucked regardless.” One has to assume the original timeline didn’t involve Kyle Reese knocking up Sarah Connor and Miles Dyson using Terminator tech to start Skynet. That’s why you gotta give Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines some props. The whole point of that movie was, “you can’t stop fate.” These movies are, like, low-key religious or something.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 5, 2019 12:44:35 GMT -5
But why would the Arnold in Dark Fate exist at all? If he killed John Connor then presumably Skynet sent him back, right? A Skynet that no longer existed since the girl is now the new savior (I didn't see the movie, only read synopses).
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Post by Dracula on Nov 5, 2019 12:53:36 GMT -5
But why would the Arnold in Dark Fate exist at all? If he killed John Connor then presumably Skynet sent him back, right? A Skynet that no longer existed since the girl is now the new savior (I didn't see the movie, only read synopses). The idea is that skynet sent several terminators before or during the events of T2 and even when Skynet was wiped from the future this T-800 was still stuck in the past and was still programmed to find and kill John Connor and took seven years to find him. Then he hung around on earth thereafter.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 5, 2019 13:47:53 GMT -5
Ah so he was already there, got it, makes more sense.
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Post by Pbar on Nov 6, 2019 4:00:12 GMT -5
I liked what they did with Schwarzenegger. It was the closest thing to an original idea in the movie and it provided some laughs. Frankly would have liked to see it explored more. Also the first time we've seen a Terminator fully infiltrate and be human.
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Post by mikeyb on Jan 18, 2020 14:43:07 GMT -5
I get why people hated it and there were parts that I thought were laughably bad but for the most part I did actually enjoy it. Definitely my favourite sequel after T2 which isn't saying much
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Post by IanTheCool on Jan 18, 2020 15:58:49 GMT -5
It's long been established that this franchise does not follow Back to the Future rules. The people who have been sent back don't disappear once the future has been changed. It's why Arnold still had to be melted at the end of T2 even though the Cyberdyne research had all been destroyed. Terminator logic is “you’re fucked regardless.” One has to assume the original timeline didn’t involve Kyle Reese knocking up Sarah Connor and Miles Dyson using Terminator tech to start Skynet. That’s why you gotta give Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines some props. The whole point of that movie was, “you can’t stop fate.” These movies are, like, low-key religious or something. Which reverses the philosophy of the second movie.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Feb 12, 2020 17:26:01 GMT -5
They went too easy on this movie.
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Post by thebtskink on Nov 26, 2020 20:22:32 GMT -5
Finally got around to seeing it. Second best sequel by far, and that's as a defender of parts of 3.
Grace's backstory hits well and gives us that future itch I crave, and I like that they seem to only purposefully go into uncanny valley with Gabriel Luna. If they were gonna try and breathe new life into the franchise, this is the way to do it.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 26, 2020 21:40:39 GMT -5
This has been on Hulu for a while and, sigh, I just can't bring myself to watch it. I'm too sour to it, maybe in a few years I'll throw a couple back and give it a spin.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Nov 29, 2020 19:20:15 GMT -5
This has been on Hulu for a while and, sigh, I just can't bring myself to watch it. I'm too sour to it, maybe in a few years I'll throw a couple back and give it a spin. Do it so you can shit on it with the rest of us. It fucking sucks.
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