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Post by Dracula on Jul 21, 2020 10:42:09 GMT -5
C- so says Doomsday. If another 19 years go by before I see Fast and Furious 3 that will be alright by me. You can probably skip Fast and Furious 3 (Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift) for now as it's chronologically set in-between Fast and Furious 6 and Fast and Furious 6's post credits scene.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 21, 2020 10:43:41 GMT -5
Should've went for 5. It's got one of the best set pieces of the franchise.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 21, 2020 10:45:04 GMT -5
Damn, I was rooting for One Cut of the Dead. That actually sounds pretty cool, if there’s a free trial of Shudder I’ll totally watch it. I think Shudder gives out a free week, if I remember right. I've had it for Joe Bob for so long that I forget exactly how long it was.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 21, 2020 15:00:06 GMT -5
I actually saw it a few times in theaters and on DVD lol. Why? I highly disagree. Vin Diesel is the dullest "action star" of all-time. Paul Walker, although far from decent, can at least be a bit corny and his pairing with Tyrese and Ludacris is excellent.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 21, 2020 17:10:35 GMT -5
I highly disagree. Vin Diesel is the dullest "action star" of all-time. Paul Walker, although far from decent, can at least be a bit corny and his pairing with Tyrese and Ludacris is excellent. Maybe the pairing is better as the franchise moves along but Paul Walker is just awful here. I agree about Vin as evidenced by the fact that the F&F franchise is pretty much the only thing that his career is hanging on at the moment but at least he has some type of presence. He's no Stallone but at least he's something. Walker is nothing. Vin at least can look tough in his greasy cutoff shirt but Walker dresses like I did when I was 16 and adds nothing to the character. To his credit there wasn't anything to his character anyways but he was one of the many leaks that sank the 2 Fast 2 Furious ship.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 21, 2020 17:34:02 GMT -5
I highly disagree. Vin Diesel is the dullest "action star" of all-time. Paul Walker, although far from decent, can at least be a bit corny and his pairing with Tyrese and Ludacris is excellent. Maybe the pairing is better as the franchise moves along but Paul Walker is just awful here. I agree about Vin as evidenced by the fact that the F&F franchise is pretty much the only thing that his career is hanging on at the moment but at least he has some type of presence. He's no Stallone but at least he's something. Walker is nothing. Vin at least can look tough in his greasy cutoff shirt but Walker dresses like I did when I was 16 and adds nothing to the character. To his credit there wasn't anything to his character anyways but he was one of the many leaks that sank the 2 Fast 2 Furious ship. Tyrese & Ludacris are delegated to comic relief as Vin Diesel and The Rock have become the centerpiece of the franchise. But I thought Tyrese was hilarious in 2 Fast 2 Furious and played off Paul Walker’s “Pretty Fly For a White Guy” persona quite well.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 21, 2020 22:45:34 GMT -5
That actually sounds pretty cool, if there’s a free trial of Shudder I’ll totally watch it. I think Shudder gives out a free week, if I remember right. I've had it for Joe Bob for so long that I forget exactly how long it was. I see it on the Shudder list, I'm totally down to do the free trial to watch it. So when I watch this does it have a JBB intro? Or is that a separate thing I need to find and watch?
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 21, 2020 22:51:17 GMT -5
Maybe the pairing is better as the franchise moves along but Paul Walker is just awful here. I agree about Vin as evidenced by the fact that the F&F franchise is pretty much the only thing that his career is hanging on at the moment but at least he has some type of presence. He's no Stallone but at least he's something. Walker is nothing. Vin at least can look tough in his greasy cutoff shirt but Walker dresses like I did when I was 16 and adds nothing to the character. To his credit there wasn't anything to his character anyways but he was one of the many leaks that sank the 2 Fast 2 Furious ship. Tyrese & Ludacris are delegated to comic relief as Vin Diesel and The Rock have become the centerpiece of the franchise. But I thought Tyrese was hilarious in 2 Fast 2 Furious and played off Paul Walker’s “Pretty Fly For a White Guy” persona quite well. I think the problem wasn't Tyrese as much as it was the material he was given to work with. One of the things they kept harping on was that he liked to eat but it wasn't really that funny and didn't have much to do with anything other than it was better food than what he had in jail. I bet he got better material as the series went along but he wasn't given much to do here.
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Post by Nilade on Jul 21, 2020 23:02:09 GMT -5
2 Fast 2 FuriousThe first thing I did when I turned this on was try to forget about the entire vast franchise that came after it. The only other film in this series that I'd seen up until now was the original Fast and the Furious which came out when I was 16. I actually saw it a few times in theaters and on DVD as it was released pre-Netflix, Youtube, streaming and anything else that would infinitely expand the number of options for audiences. 2 Fast 2 Furious was released the year I graduated from high school which was still a time where I was frequently, constantly seeing just about anything that was in theaters with my friends. I can't tell you why we skipped this sequel but I can imagine it was a combination of having something better to watch mixed with a lack of interest in seeing a Vin Diesel-less sequel to a movie that was primarily a Vin Diesel vehicle (no pun). Then the years rolled by and while the F&F franchise exploded into the juggernaut it is today it never interested me in the least. Based on the trailers I will say though that it's gone a long way from the street racing Point Break ripoff to whatever movie had the submarine chase. Anyways, onto 2 Fast 2 Furious. The one thing that's obvious right off the bat is that this is a 90s movie that barreled into the early 2000s by the skin of its teeth. The way it's lit, the way everything feels so fake and stagey, the terrible visual effects, the way that everyone seems to be an over exaggerated caricature makes it feel right at home with those late nineties teen movies that were popular for a second but are now nicely, hopefully tucked away in the vault of forgotten cinema. We start off with a street race as we did in the original and Bryan O'Conner, the ex-cop non-star of the first movie, is back! He wins the race but is quickly arrested thanks to some electrical hook thing that shuts your car off. Okay. He's soon pressed into service by the Miami police to work a case where he is definitely not needed. He also convinces them to allow him to recruit an old buddy Roman who's equally unnecessary but hey, we need some cool drivers right? The first time we see Roman in some car wrecking derby we're introduced via several shots of the back of his bald head. It made me wonder if they were trying to make us hearken back to Vin Diesel via hairless dome even though we all know he's not in it. They're tasked with infiltrating the lair of a drug dealer who could go down in history as one of the most bland villains in film history. All this guy really does is sneak money out of the country and all the heroes need to do is transport money from his house to his plane and they'll arrest him. That's it. That's the plan. Why they needed to go find an ex-cop and his ex-felon friend is none of our concern. We're only given the task of watching these people pretend to act. When I mentioned it looks like a 90s movie that's because there's an inherent cheapness to all of it. Nothing looks authentic, nothing looks stylish. There's a Miami club scene which should have involved dozens of hot extras and hopefully make people actually want to be at that club. Instead it looks like a dull, brightly lit set from a sitcom. The NAS effect is used frequently with the sound of a jet engine and when it hits it looks like you're about to go into light speed. Paul Walker rest his soul might be easy on the eyes for some but lacks any charisma or charm and he certainly can't carry a film, even one like this. He's very much a supporting character's actor and putting him in the lead didn't do the movie any favors. Vin Diesel isn't Olivier but he did carry a presence that made him fit into a franchise like this. Walker, with his West Coast Choppers and ankle high converse in his southern California high school wardrobe, just isn't up to the task and fails to portray even the shallow surfer/driver dude he's supposed to be. So is this a good movie? Not at all, but it's not completely awful either. The filmmakers knew exactly what this movie was but unfortunately didn't try to make it any better. It's a dumb movie that was trying to capitalize on the previous film despite the fact that it was lacking one of its biggest draws, much like Independence Day 2 thought it would pass muster without Will Smith because it had Bill Pullman. It also didn't know what kind of franchise this would become so it just tried to imitate the first one as best (or poorly) as it could. It's basically the first movie with everything taken down about eight notches. The excitement, the enjoyment, the action, the characters, everything that you might have liked about the first one only has about a fraction of each in 2 Fast 2 Furious. Not saying the first film mastered any of those in the first place but that should tell you where 2 Fast 2 Furious lands. And it was directed by John Singleton. What? C- so says Doomsday. If another 19 years go by before I see Fast and Furious 3 that will be alright by me. I'm a sucker for the cheese that is this franchise. One of my biggest guilty pleasures is Tokyo Drift. Watch it every time I see it on TV.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 21, 2020 23:06:20 GMT -5
I think Shudder gives out a free week, if I remember right. I've had it for Joe Bob for so long that I forget exactly how long it was. I see it on the Shudder list, I'm totally down to do the free trial to watch it. So when I watch this does it have a JBB intro? Or is that a separate thing I need to find and watch? Joe Bob's show is called The Last Drive-In. It's in a separate part of Shudder. If you're going to seek his version out, it gets pretty confusing because Shudder has all of his marathons grouped together in separate sections, so if you search for it you'll get multiple results. One Cut of the Dead is in the section that contains his seasonal series, which doesn't carry a fancy nickname like "Halloween Hootenanny" or "Dinners of Death" or the like. That one is probably the sixth episode of Season 2, if I'm remembering right. Joe Bob does cut in and out of the movie, so if you prefer the flow of the movie to be uninterrupted, then that might be a dealbreaker. He leaves the "one shot" opening of this particular film untouched though. I'm not to sure how "must see" it is for a first-time viewer. Joe Bob mostly showed this particular film to set up an outro where he tries to inspire aspirational artists in his viewership, using the film as love letter to filmmaking tenacity and how determination can lead to a special end, even if the audience doesn't see exactly what you went through to put your work on the screen. The speech was so out of left field and hit close to home with a lot of people that it became a fan favorite moment of the entire series.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 21, 2020 23:42:09 GMT -5
I'm a sucker for the cheese that is this franchise. One of my biggest guilty pleasures is Tokyo Drift. Watch it every time I see it on TV. Doomsday is complaining about Paul Walker. Wait till he sees Lucas Black.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 22, 2020 0:07:39 GMT -5
If it were Lewis Black I'd watch the whole series.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 22, 2020 0:08:44 GMT -5
I'd watch Fast & Furious starring Lewis Black.
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Post by Nilade on Jul 22, 2020 1:12:15 GMT -5
I'm a sucker for the cheese that is this franchise. One of my biggest guilty pleasures is Tokyo Drift. Watch it every time I see it on TV. Doomsday is complaining about Paul Walker. Wait till he sees Lucas Black. He reminds me of Sam Worthington.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 22, 2020 2:06:16 GMT -5
Doomsday is complaining about Paul Walker. Wait till he sees Lucas Black. He reminds me of Sam Worthington. If Sam Worthington were a midget, sure.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 24, 2020 11:38:22 GMT -5
The Long Goodbye, starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, is a hard-boiled detective film with a 70s flare. Elliot Gould plays P.I. Phillip Marlowe as a sharp-witted yet mumbling lead, and is most of the reason to watch this movie. He's very likable and provides a lot of charm. Robert Altman provides a strong aesthetic here, especially with Marlowe's interesting apartment complex (complete with topless yoga) and other details including a tollbooth operator who loves celebrity impressions.
What would have made this movie stronger would be a more compelling mystery driving the narrative. There are quite a few loose threads discovered throughout the movie, and I would say they mostly come together (though not completely). But for some reason they never really pulled me in as much as I would hope a mystery like this would. But the movie makes up for this with the character of Marlowe himself and with all the trappings of environment, dialogue, and mood. Recommended. 7/10
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Post by donny on Jul 24, 2020 11:59:21 GMT -5
Glad you enjoyed. One of my favorites.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 26, 2020 15:09:08 GMT -5
True Romance, starring Samuel L. Jackson, follows in the tradition of lovers who become runaway criminals. I would say that for the most part I liked it. The first part is really great, and I liked most of the Hollywood parts as well. I didn't really buy Christian Slater's character turn to criminality. It seemed to have no effect on him, which was jarring. There are a lot of great side performances, but I have to say that Brat Pitt's Floyd stole the show.
I liked most of the film's aesthetic. The music seemed very familiar; maybe one of you can enlighten me on where I might have heard it before? I did think the violence was excessive for excess's sake and could have been toned down. But all in all, I enjoyed it. 7/10
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 26, 2020 15:13:39 GMT -5
I haven't seen True Romance since I was in high school. I should give it another go at some point.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 26, 2020 15:21:15 GMT -5
I liked most of the film's aesthetic. The music seemed very familiar; maybe one of you can enlighten me on where I might have heard it before? Badlands
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Post by Neverending on Jul 26, 2020 15:25:40 GMT -5
The music seemed very familiar; maybe one of you can enlighten me on where I might have heard it before?
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 26, 2020 15:39:46 GMT -5
The music seemed very familiar; maybe one of you can enlighten me on where I might have heard it before?
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Post by Dracula on Jul 26, 2020 15:40:23 GMT -5
I liked most of the film's aesthetic. The music seemed very familiar; maybe one of you can enlighten me on where I might have heard it before? Badlands It wasn't originally from Badlands either. It's a piece by Carl Orff, which was itself an arrangement of 16th century piece called Gassenhauer by a lute player named Hans Neusidler. It's (sort of) in the public domain so it gets copied a lot.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 26, 2020 15:46:09 GMT -5
The music seemed very familiar; maybe one of you can enlighten me on where I might have heard it before? Fuck yeah.
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Post by Nilade on Jul 26, 2020 15:48:41 GMT -5
True Romance, starring Samuel L. Jackson, follows in the tradition of lovers who become runaway criminals. I would say that for the most part I liked it. The first part is really great, and I liked most of the Hollywood parts as well. I didn't really buy Christian Slater's character turn to criminality. It seemed to have no effect on him, which was jarring. There are a lot of great side performances, but I have to say that Brat Pitt's Floyd stole the show.
I liked most of the film's aesthetic. The music seemed very familiar; maybe one of you can enlighten me on where I might have heard it before? I did think the violence was excessive for excess's sake and could have been toned down. But all in all, I enjoyed it. 7/10
I wouldn't say it stars Samuel L. Jackson. He has about a 2 minute cameo, at best, and this was before he was even a household name.
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