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Post by FShuttari on Jul 29, 2019 19:57:25 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Jul 29, 2019 20:01:58 GMT -5
but this is also a film that certainly feels like its lengthy running time and will undoubtedly try the patience of people expecting more Manson nastiness and less palling around by Rick and Cliff. Indeed |
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Post by Dracula on Jul 29, 2019 20:18:39 GMT -5
First of all, that's a fantasy/daydream from a not overly reliable narrator, secondly... does Bruce Lee not already get his ass kissed enough by pop culture? Frankly I thought it was a pleasant relief to see him being depicted like a human for once instead of some kind of some kind of fountain of ancient wisdom. |
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Post by Neverending on Jul 29, 2019 20:35:32 GMT -5
First of all, that's a fantasy/daydream from a not overly reliable narrator, secondly... does Bruce Lee not already get his ass kissed enough by pop culture? Frankly I thought it was a pleasant relief to see him being depicted like a human for once instead of some kind of some kind of fountain of ancient wisdom. Indeed |
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 30, 2019 9:18:47 GMT -5
First of all, that's a fantasy/daydream from a not overly reliable narrator, secondly... does Bruce Lee not already get his ass kissed enough by pop culture? Frankly I thought it was a pleasant relief to see him being depicted like a human for once instead of some kind of some kind of fountain of ancient wisdom. Obviously Tarintino could have gone a better route. Like maybe have Brad Pitts character all smug like he wasn’t all that great, and have one fight go in favor of Lee, and the second one go in favor of Pitts character, and in the end they both come out respecting one another. It was funny in the moment but totally disrespectful |
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Post by Dracula on Jul 30, 2019 9:23:13 GMT -5
First of all, that's a fantasy/daydream from a not overly reliable narrator, secondly... does Bruce Lee not already get his ass kissed enough by pop culture? Frankly I thought it was a pleasant relief to see him being depicted like a human for once instead of some kind of some kind of fountain of ancient wisdom. Obviously Tarintino could have gone a better route. Like maybe have Brad Pitts character all smug like he wasn’t all that great, and have one fight go in favor of Lee, and the second one go in favor of Pitts character, and in the end they both come out respecting one another. It was funny in the moment but totally disrespectful That's... basically what happened. Pitt got knocked down once, then Lee got flipped into the car, then the fight got broken up by Kurt Russell and Zoe Bell. |
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 30, 2019 9:25:42 GMT -5
Obviously Tarintino could have gone a better route. Like maybe have Brad Pitts character all smug like he wasn’t all that great, and have one fight go in favor of Lee, and the second one go in favor of Pitts character, and in the end they both come out respecting one another. It was funny in the moment but totally disrespectful That's... basically what happened. Pitt got knocked down once, then Lee got flipped into the car, then the fight got broken up by Kurt Russell and Zoe Bell. The car throwing was in favor of Pitts and no where did he feel any respect towards Lee. If anything he seemed happy to have thrown him against the car |
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Post by Neverending on Jul 30, 2019 9:34:13 GMT -5
Obviously Tarintino could have gone a better route. Like maybe have Brad Pitts character all smug like he wasn’t all that great, and have one fight go in favor of Lee, and the second one go in favor of Pitts character, and in the end they both come out respecting one another. It was funny in the moment but totally disrespectful That's... basically what happened. Pitt got knocked down once, then Lee got flipped into the car, then the fight got broken up by Kurt Russell and Zoe Bell. Brah. He killed Charles Manson. Brad Pitt > Bruce Lee. No debate. |
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 30, 2019 9:52:03 GMT -5
That's... basically what happened. Pitt got knocked down once, then Lee got flipped into the car, then the fight got broken up by Kurt Russell and Zoe Bell. Brah. He killed Charles Manson. Brad Pitt > Bruce Lee. No debate. Thats not true since he did a fictional represtation of that story, and Lee was... Actually was being represented factually |
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Post by frankyt on Jul 30, 2019 9:53:43 GMT -5
I liked it enough. I prob will lump it together with more late stage Tarantino in that I'll probably never watch these again unless they are on tv or someone else really has to watch (basterds, eight, death proof, django - all have their highlights but as a whole there are some long stretches of tedium).
I didn't dislike it as much as people here and I didnt love it like others have. It was about right what I was expecting. Maybe a little funnier.
6/10 little more than meh but not enough for a dug it.
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Post by frankyt on Jul 30, 2019 10:11:03 GMT -5
And the soundtrack was very safe and not at all interesting like most of his period pieces.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 30, 2019 10:13:09 GMT -5
That's... basically what happened. Pitt got knocked down once, then Lee got flipped into the car, then the fight got broken up by Kurt Russell and Zoe Bell. The car throwing was in favor of Pitts and no where did he feel any respect towards Lee. If anything he seemed happy to have thrown him against the car Pitt's character considers Rick Dalton, possibly killed his wife, and thought it would be a good idea to take a day trip to Manson's headquarters... nothing about the film suggests he's a good judge of character. |
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 30, 2019 10:25:34 GMT -5
The car throwing was in favor of Pitts and no where did he feel any respect towards Lee. If anything he seemed happy to have thrown him against the car Pitt's character considers Rick Dalton, possibly killed his wife, and thought it would be a good idea to take a day trip to Manson's headquarters... nothing about the film suggests he's a good judge of character. More reason why I think this movie isn't any good... The more I think about it, the less I feel good about Tarintinos choices in this movie. |
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Post by Neverending on Jul 30, 2019 10:28:38 GMT -5
a good idea to take a day trip to Manson's headquarters... He was trying to shag up with Hairy Pitts, not run into Lena Dunham and dirty hippies |
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Post by Pbar on Jul 30, 2019 11:14:17 GMT -5
Look up Wong Jack Man. And this is coming from someone who idolized Bruce Lee growing up. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 30, 2019 12:45:07 GMT -5
I honestly don't really get why FShuttari is so bent out of shape by the Bruce Lee scene. Like, your main point of contention seems to be that Bruce Lee wasn't awesome enough, which just seems silly. As Drac mentioned, there's enough pop-culture out there that idolizes Bruce Lee, so I don't think this needed to as well. Moreover, what would have been the point of having Bruce Lee clean house? The movie isn't about him. The way the scene plays out tells us a lot about Cliff: that he's a tough bastard who can go toe-to-toe with a master like Lee, that he has a bluntly simplistic fighting style, and that he's reckless and doesn't always make the most well-informed decisions. These are all important parts of his character that will return later in the film. Plus, it's not like the move besmirches Bruce Lee. The dude still comes off as stylish, cool, and does best Cliff in the first round of the fight. Why does it need to venerate him more, and what would be the point? This whole line of criticism reminds me of people complaining about superhero movies by saying things like "But why wasn't Green Lantern [or whomever] in it?" without considering the actual story or characters of the film. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 30, 2019 14:23:11 GMT -5
Apparently I was looking for an image and it was deleted.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 30, 2019 17:08:48 GMT -5
Apparently I was looking for an image and it was deleted. It was a good one too. Let’s try this again  |
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 31, 2019 0:13:32 GMT -5
This seemed to be his most straight-forward film.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 31, 2019 10:38:26 GMT -5
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 31, 2019 10:42:51 GMT -5
I was a little frustrated by it because it wasn't what I was expecting. And that's the problem. The trailer sells a different film. Even the ads have been selling it as a fun comedy buddy type movie. When was the last time a Tarantino movie trailer actually gave you an accurate sense of what the movie was like? |
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Post by Neverending on Jul 31, 2019 11:50:46 GMT -5
I was a little frustrated by it because it wasn't what I was expecting. And that's the problem. The trailer sells a different film. Even the ads have been selling it as a fun comedy buddy type movie. When was the last time a Tarantino movie trailer actually gave you an accurate sense of what the movie was like? ... because... Tarantino movies have a history of being misleading??? This is his first movie with Sony who have notoriously bad marketing. I mean, just look at those fucking posters. |
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Post by Pbar on Aug 1, 2019 4:28:01 GMT -5
Three times in, and few scenes bring me more joy than the last 20 or so minutes.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 1, 2019 19:25:44 GMT -5
okaay, i'll post my review.
Watching what is probably Tarantino's most straightforward of his ten films (yes, ten), I do wonder how much knowing its a Tarantino film affects my viewing of it. And if that's okay. Because if I was expecting a lot of the Tarantino flare, this movie would be underwhelming. There are also certain ticks he has which can be annoying. But trying to take him out of the equation, and this is a really enjoyable movie.
The biggest strength of this movie are the two leads. In an era where box office bank is determined by franchises more than movie stars, the two biggest movie stars in Hollywood presently (though Tommy boy may have something to say about that) are both starring along side each other here. And it benefits the film greatly. Brad Pitt plays to his strengths and provides much of the humour in the film, while DiCaprio gives one hell of a performance as an actor on route to washing up. He's really something here.
I love the look of the film and the "hang out" style of it. There are some things that don't work for me, mostly with the ending. The "trick" that he pulled has already been pulled before in Basterds, but seems to make a lot more sense there. Doing it again here doesn' t quite feel right. I also wasn't a fan of the levels of violence that he goes to and how vindictive it feels.
Now, I know that this is a Tarantino movie, and over the top violence should be expected, but that brings me back to my next point. Am I responding more negatively because I see the violence as his typical over indulgence? Does the trick he plays with the narrative context only not work for me because I've seen him do it to better effect before? Either way, I did really enjoy the film, but I think there are thematic elements that I completely missed (like the controversial boat scene for example) and some issues with the end. I have a feeling my opinion on this one could change either up or down based on time and another viewing.
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