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Post by thebtskink on Jul 29, 2018 13:36:04 GMT -5
And yet at no point does the plot of Ghost Protocol become nearly as personal for Ethan Hunt as the plot of M:I 3. And that is the disconnect, insights into Ethan Hunts personal life is decidedly not what I want out of these movies. A more fair comparison is: "That's like saying Tomorrow Never Dies is better than Skyfall." Tomorrow Never Dies is better than Skyfall Dude, no.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 29, 2018 14:12:23 GMT -5
A more fair comparison is: "That's like saying Tomorrow Never Dies is better than Skyfall." Tomorrow Never Dies is better than Skyfall
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 29, 2018 16:25:54 GMT -5
There's a moment during the car chase when a car in front just slightly starts to turn left, and he has to react quickly. Great detail.
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 30, 2018 0:51:52 GMT -5
Ghost Protocol had the best action stunt scene from all the M:I movies until this movie. Holy Fuck Tom Cruise is insane.
If you watch these movies for the story (can be decent to bad) your watching the wrong series.
These movies are all about watching Tom Cruise do crazy ass shit. The guy is 55 and most actors that are in there 20's wont touch the level of believable action as much as this guy does with his over the top action sets.
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 30, 2018 0:54:51 GMT -5
Half this movie was Nolan insprired. But it does annoy me that the scene where they are trying to break out Solomon Lane is to close to copy of the Joker capturing Harvey Dent.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 30, 2018 20:38:56 GMT -5
Mission: Impossible – Fallout(7/28/2018)
Once a man named Tom Cruise had a dream. He had a vision that he would produce and star in a series of spy films that would be a rival to and yet in some ways the opposite of the James Bond series. Where the James Bond films have done everything they could to follow a formula and try to fit within the same template for decades at a time Cruise’s films would take the opposite approach and shake things up dramatically with every installment and in doing so they’d be able to explore every kind of action movie as the years went on. This plan lasted for about three movies as it went from the Hitchcockian thrills of the De Palma directed original, to the hyper-kinetic action of the John Woo directed second film, to the snarky meta comedy of the J.J. Abrams directed third installment. However, after that third movie Cruise put the brakes on the consistent inconsistency plan and started to use that third movie as a sort of starting point for a more traditional film franchise. Characters like Simon Pegg’s Benjamin Dunn started returning in every movie, plot points like Hunt’s previous marriage began to be acknowledged movie to movie, and the directors they chose to take on installments had less distinctive styles. There were some upsides to this, the last film Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation is something of a series highlight, but I must say I mourn the loss of that original vision. The most recent entry in the series, Mission: Impossible – Fallout, is perhaps the biggest break to the franchise ethos to date in that it has the director of that previous film (Christopher McQuarrie) has returned for a second film and has made what is more or less a direct sequel to it.
Mission: Impossible – Fallout picks up a few years after the previous movie and it appears that “The Syndicate” that Ethan Hunt (Tom Cruise) brought down in that movie has given birth to an anarchist collective of agents inspired by Solomon Lane (Sean Harris) known as “The Apostles.” In the film’s opening scenes Hunt finds himself trying to intercept a black market deal that would have landed three plutonium cores in the hands of The Apostles but loses them to save his team. IMF Secretary Alan Hunley (Alec Baldwin) still trusts Hunt after that but CIA director Erica Sloan (Angela Bassett) sees him as a liability so she insists that he be shadowed by one of her own agents, August Walker (Henry Cavill), during his mission to recover the plutonium cores. That mission will of course be a high stakes globe-trotting ordeal that will require Hunt to risk life and limb at every stage.
Mission: Impossible – Fallout has come out amid a barrage of hype as some of the early reviews were beyond ecstatic. It’s sitting at 97% on Rotten Tomatoes and some of the quotes about it have really been out there including an oft quoted tweet by the always excitable David Erlich which called it “easily the best action movie since [Mad Max:] Fury Road. Just god level stuff.” Frankly I think this hyperbole has done the movie a bit of a disservice because I think my expectations going in were a bit skewed by it all. This defiantly isn’t the best action movie since Mad Max: Fury Road, in fact it isn’t even the best action movie since Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation. That hype made the film’s first half particularly jarring, especially when the film first has Tom Cruise and Henry Cavill interacting with some really strained buddy cop dialogue. There are also some moments that just do not hold up to scrutiny. For example right after that aforementioned Cruise/Cavill argument the two of them do this big HALO jump from an altitude that requires them to wear oxygen tanks, which is a cool scene, but it’s all being done just to get into a Parisian building… a building which looks like it could have been much more easily infiltrated by simply buying a ticket to the giant rave that’s going on inside of it.
Around the one third point of the movie I accepted that the critics had overdone it and accepted that this was going to be less of a landmark action movie and more of a logical continuation of the long running series and started to sit back and enjoy myself. As expected the film delivers a lot of the gigantic action scenes and stunts. That HALO jump I mentioned before is ruined slightly by context but it’s certainly an impressive bit of filming logistics and stunt work. There’s also a climax involving Tom Cruise dangling from a helicopter that I’m sure was all kinds of difficult to make, and we all know about how he injured himself jumping between buildings in London. Of course the incredibly high standards that this series has set for itself does become a bit of a problem. For example, this movie has not one but two chase scenes involving motorcycles which would both be extremely impressive on their own but here they’re being compared to the iconic (if extremely silly) motorcycle chase from Mission: Impossible 2 and the also extremely impressive chase from Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation, and while this chase might be a little better on paper it isn’t a giant leap that leaves those other chases in the dust. Similarly the film never quite comes up with a stunt that’s as conceptually insane as the Burj Khalifa scene from Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol or the “dangle from an airplane mid takeoff” scene from Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation. I suppose there’s that helicopter scene but that just doesn’t have quite the same purity of concept.
I must say I also found the storytelling inbetween the action scenes to be serviceable but noticeably weaker than what we saw in the first and fifth films, which remain my favorite of the series. There are twists and turns galore in the movie but a lot of them don’t feel entirely earned and they don’t flow as naturally as they tend to in better spy movies. Ultimately I do think the choice to bring McQuarrie back instead of following the series usual “one movie per director rule” is a big part of the problem. That’s not to say there’s anything wrong with McQarrie himself but, he’s clearly quite competent behind the camera, but he isn’t really trying to go at the film in a new way at all and he isn’t even really trying to recapture the magic of the last film either. Rather this is possibly the first time that a Mission: Impossible is solely interested in being exactly what people expect from a Mission: Impossible movie and not much more. Outside of the stunts it does next to nothing that previous installments hadn’t done better and neither Hunt nor his supporting characters have really gotten all that interesting over the years. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m certainly not suggesting anyone skip this movie. A dude dangling from a helicopter payload is certainly something that’s worth seeing, but I feel like this could have been a lot better if they’d been a bit bolder with the style and put a little more serious thought into the script.
*** out of Five
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Post by donny on Jul 31, 2018 8:26:37 GMT -5
Just saw it last night. Liked it a lot. Around the same as Rogue Nation and Ghost. Need to see I and III again to have a better idea of where I'd place it in the series.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 31, 2018 17:20:39 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Jul 31, 2018 17:33:10 GMT -5
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Post by frankyt on Aug 10, 2018 7:24:14 GMT -5
I can't decide how I feel about this. Tonally strange as hell, I certainly laughed at jokes that were in the background but Ving rhames's comedic timing is damn near comically bad. The set up for Ethan's ex to come back in was so damn silly and unnecessary.
Stunts were... Pretty good but tc as much as I hate to admit it is showing his age constantly. Time to pass the torch.
Bathroom fight scene was probably the highlight. I still don't buy these as great tentpole movies. But I'm certainly biased against spy movies. They're all so similar.
6/10 - better than meh but barely.
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Post by PG Cooper on Aug 10, 2018 11:49:45 GMT -5
Great action, bad dialogue, too much focus on Ethan's personal life. I definitely enjoyed it, but I don't see it as some transcendent action movie experience.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 10, 2018 12:16:35 GMT -5
Really enjoyed it. Can't say I loved it, though. The action sequences were indeed great (my favorite might actually be the bathroom brawl early on), the plot was predictable yet effective and directing-wise, I do think McQuarrie has improved upon Rogue Nation. On the other hand, the movie's a little overlong and getting back to the plot and twists, it's really nothing we haven't seen before. I DID appreciate the attempt to address what happened to Julia, though, since the 4th just brushed up against her and the 5th outright ignored her. One of the better movies of the summer? Yeah. A new modern action classic? Wouldn't go that far.
Still prefer 3 and 1.
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Post by Deexan on Aug 14, 2018 8:35:38 GMT -5
Henry Cavill was great in this. I have admired him as an actor ever since The Tudors, and it was exhilarating to see him onscreen, but this movie proved to me he has no business being the villain. He has "hero archetype" in his DNA, etched into his chiseled face. I never bought him as the bad guy and felt like Cruise looked like the malevolent one when they shared screen time. 8/10 - great movie. If the character had been played by someone more inherently sinister, the "twist" would have been obvious as soon as Walker was introduced. I actually called him being Lark before we met the "Lark" in the bathroom. Cus I'm da bomb.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 5, 2018 2:51:25 GMT -5
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 17, 2019 10:33:02 GMT -5
The response to Mission: Impossible - Fallout has been nothing short of rapturous and while I too enjoyed the film, I do feel like the response has been a bit...extreme. To be sure, the action scenes here are consistently pretty awesome and the adherence to death defying stunts is admirable. That said, as good as the set-pieces are, I'm not sure that they're dramatically better than what the series has offered up to this point. Nothing wrong with that exactly, but it's weird to me that critics have acted like this is such a leap forward, especially considering some of the film's other shortcomings. First off, some of the dialogue here is really, really bad. The comedic writing in particular is often really cringey to the point of distraction. The film also invests way too much into Ethan's personal story, particularly in the third act. I can't stress this enough: I do not give a shit about Ethan as a person. He's a boring character, and every effort to delve deeper only emphasizes just how hollow he is. And you might say I'm making a big deal out of elements that don't matter, this is an action movie at all. And I agree, so why do these movies insist on focusing on such material?
Anyway, this little review is fairly negative, but it's mostly because I feel I should justify my own take against the wave of praise. To be sure, Fallout is a good movie well-worth a trip to the theater to see. Those action scenes are indeed pretty awesome and generally the filmmaking here is really exciting. It'd probably only rank as my third favourite of the Mission: Impossible movies, but it's definitely a fun time.
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Post by Deexan on Sept 19, 2019 20:05:01 GMT -5
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