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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 27, 2018 18:09:06 GMT -5
Having not seen 6 yet:
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 27, 2018 18:22:46 GMT -5
My one word reviews of the M:I franchise:
M:I - Tense M:I-2 - Fart M:I:III - Hoffman GP - Wild RN - HOLYFUCKTHATWASAWESOME
Seeing Fallout in an hour.
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Post by Pbar on Jul 27, 2018 20:34:33 GMT -5
Here we go again...
M:I 3 might still be my favorite of the series. It has the most personal stakes for Ethan Hunt out of any of the movies and the chemistry between Cruise and Michelle Monaghan really lends the film a good dose of humanity, structurally the plot is so tightly-wound and the movie clips along at a very good pace, there's also a relative simplicity to the plot that actually works wonders with Abrams' directing style, and it has a Michael Giacchino score that I still frequently listen to to this day. And of course, it has the best villain of the franchise thus far. Movie doesn't get nearly as much credit as it deserves. Am I right, Doomsday? They only say he's the best villain because he's played by Hoffman. Solomon Lane is your best villain. Oh and I rank 'em: Fallout Rogue Nation Ghost Protocol 1 2 3
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 27, 2018 21:09:42 GMT -5
Nah, he's the best cause he actually did the most to try and break Ethan, and rather effectively at that. Lane's your 2nd best villain.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 27, 2018 21:16:14 GMT -5
Ghost Protocol had no villain. There was a guy doing some stuff but he wasn't a character.
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Post by Pbar on Jul 27, 2018 22:03:48 GMT -5
Nah, he's the best cause he actually did the most to try and break Ethan, and rather effectively at that. Lane's your 2nd best villain. Phelps did a better job of it without pseudo-torture porn. So did Lane.
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Post by Pbar on Jul 27, 2018 22:04:12 GMT -5
Ghost Protocol had no villain. There was a guy doing some stuff but he wasn't a character. He just kinda shows up.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 27, 2018 22:15:54 GMT -5
Nah, he's the best cause he actually did the most to try and break Ethan, and rather effectively at that. Lane's your 2nd best villain. Phelps did a better job of it without pseudo-torture porn. So did Lane. Did he, Pbar?
Did he?
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 27, 2018 22:18:54 GMT -5
The real villain of Ghost Protocol was whoever the fuck it was who decided Luthor should have been reduced to a cameo.
I liked Fallout quite a bit. The first half felt more like a Bond movie than M:I, but that second half was total hold onto your seat shit right there. The IMAX scene is worth the ticket too.
Rogue Nation is still my favorite, followed closely by the first. 2 is still the only bad one. I think Fallout is tied with Ghost Protocol for me, but I'd probably have to watch it again.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 28, 2018 3:22:13 GMT -5
Having not seen 6 yet:
3 5 1 4 2
My one word reviews of the M:I franchise: M:I - Tense M:I-2 - Fart M:I:III - Hoffman GP - Wild RN - HOLYFUCKTHATWASAWESOME Seeing Fallout in an hour. Here we go again...
M:I 3 might still be my favorite of the series. It has the most personal stakes for Ethan Hunt out of any of the movies and the chemistry between Cruise and Michelle Monaghan really lends the film a good dose of humanity, structurally the plot is so tightly-wound and the movie clips along at a very good pace, there's also a relative simplicity to the plot that actually works wonders with Abrams' directing style, and it has a Michael Giacchino score that I still frequently listen to to this day. And of course, it has the best villain of the franchise thus far. Movie doesn't get nearly as much credit as it deserves. Am I right, Doomsday? They only say he's the best villain because he's played by Hoffman. Solomon Lane is your best villain. Oh and I rank 'em: Fallout Rogue Nation Ghost Protocol 1 2 3 My Ranking: 1) Mission Impossible - Classic De Palma 2) Fallout - The ending is way longer than it needed to be, but I dug the Nolan/Zimmer style. 3) Mission Impossible 3 - I’m not a fan of the script and the ripples it created throughout the remainder of the series, but the action scenes are fucking great. I would join forces with PhantomKnight and argue this has the best action in the franchise. 4) Ghost Protocol - It’s great entertainment but it’s a James Bond movie masquerading as a Mission Impossible movie. You can say it’s your “favorite” but that would be like saying License to Kill is your favorite James Bond. 5) Mission Impossible 2 - I don’t dislike it. It’s... interesting. It’s like the Freddy Krueger Part 2 of the Mission Impossible series. It doesn’t quite fit in but it’s unique enough to the franchise to make it worth watching. 6) Rogue Nation - I like it but it’s nothing special. It may have seemed special in 2015, but that’s because Spectre and Man From Uncle were disappointments. It won the Spy Pissing Contest that year but the competition wasn’t great. It wasn’t the big Casino Royale vs Mission Impossible 3 battle.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 28, 2018 3:39:52 GMT -5
I think it’s also worth noting that Christopher McQuarrie is growing as a director. Jack Reacher was... forgettable? I remember enjoying the movie but I don’t remember anything about it except that Jai Courtney was actually good in it. Rogue Nation is good, but visually a bit boring. Now there’s Fallout, which is also good, but visually really well done. It’s a Nolan knockoff but very effectively done. There’s a lot of really well executed scenes in Fallout that can compete with the De Palma’s and the J.J.’s and the Dubai scene.
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Post by Pbar on Jul 28, 2018 4:22:09 GMT -5
Having not seen 6 yet:
3 5 1 4 2
My one word reviews of the M:I franchise: M:I - Tense M:I-2 - Fart M:I:III - Hoffman GP - Wild RN - HOLYFUCKTHATWASAWESOME Seeing Fallout in an hour. They only say he's the best villain because he's played by Hoffman. Solomon Lane is your best villain. Oh and I rank 'em: Fallout Rogue Nation Ghost Protocol 1 2 3 My Ranking: 1) Mission Impossible - Classic De Palma 2) Fallout - The ending is way longer than it needed to be, but I dug the Nolan/Zimmer style. 3) Mission Impossible 3 - I’m not a fan of the script and the ripples it created throughout the remainder of the series, but the action scenes are fucking great. I would join forces with PhantomKnight and argue this has the best action in the franchise. 4) Ghost Protocol - It’s great entertainment but it’s a James Bond movie masquerading as a Mission Impossible movie. You can say it’s your “favorite” but that would be like saying License to Kill is your favorite James Bond. 5) Mission Impossible 2 - I don’t dislike it. It’s... interesting. It’s like the Freddy Krueger Part 2 of the Mission Impossible series. It doesn’t quite fit in but it’s unique enough to the franchise to make it worth watching. 6) Rogue Nation - I like it but it’s nothing special. It may have seemed special in 2015, but that’s because Spectre and Man From Uncle were disappointments. It won the Spy Pissing Contest that year but the competition wasn’t great. It wasn’t the big Casino Royale vs Mission Impossible 3 battle. Just when I was about to consider you an ally against M:I 3 And KINGSMAN was your best spy film of 2015.
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Post by daniel on Jul 28, 2018 9:31:55 GMT -5
This was a great movie - fun, tense, non-stop action. I don't think it holds up in the entire series as the best of the series, mostly because you'll see the twists coming from a mile away, especially when a certain cell phone might as well have CHEKHOV'S GUN spray painted all over it. But if you can let the predictability fall to the wayside and just enjoy it, you won't be disappointed. Side note: Henry Cavill was great in this. I have admired him as an actor ever since The Tudors, and it was exhilarating to see him onscreen, but this movie proved to me he has no business being the villain. He has "hero archetype" in his DNA, etched into his chiseled face. I never bought him as the bad guy and felt like Cruise looked like the malevolent one when they shared screen time. 8/10 - great movie.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 28, 2018 15:36:23 GMT -5
Some thoughts I had while watching Mission: Impossible - Fallout The beginning is kind of oddly structured with two big sequences before the credits
Wolf Blitzer cameo was awesome
Some of the Buddy Cop dick measuring banter between Cruise and Cavil bordered on the painful.
If you want to infiltrate a French rave, wouldn't it be easier to just buy tickets to it than to do a halo drop onto the building with apparent pinpoint accuracy?
How did Ving Rhames and Simon Peg know where to pick him up with their boat right as he dropped into the sewers after his unplanned and apparently improvised motorcycle chase?
Speaking of which, wasn't it a bit much to have two big car chases involving motorcycles back to back like that?
The back stabbing and counter back stabbing was pretty convoluted and I don't know how well it will hold up on a second viewing. Loved that stuff in MI1 and MI5, but here it kind of seemed perfunctory. Could have done without all the Simon Pegg/Ving Rhames stuff interrupting the helicopter chase at the end.
Also, if the bombs were going to go off so long the key never got pulled from the detonator, why did Henry Cavil even keep it? Couldn't he have just thrown it off the helicopter and ensured that Hunt never pulled the key?
All in all it's a solid series entry but has some stupid stuff in it and while there were a lot of good action sequences in it none of them quite hit the level of excitement of some of the absolute best set-pieces of the series. The critics who were claiming that this was the best action movie since Mad Max Fury Road did this thing a disservice, it decidedly does not need or deserve that kind of hype. *** out of Five 1. Mission Impossible 2. Mission Impossible: Rogue State 3. Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol 4. Mission Impossible: Fallout 5. Mission Impossible 3 6. Mission Impossible 2
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 28, 2018 18:30:19 GMT -5
3) Mission Impossible 3 - I would join forces with PhantomKnight and argue this has the best action in the franchise.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 28, 2018 19:47:21 GMT -5
I just can't get my head around it. Saying Ghost Protocol is better than M:I 3 is like saying Octopussy is better than Goldeneye.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 28, 2018 20:01:59 GMT -5
I just can't get my head around it. Saying Ghost Protocol is better than M:I 3 is like saying Octopussy is better than Goldeneye. At no point in M:I 3 does Tom Cruise climb on the outside of the Burj Khalifa tower...
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 28, 2018 20:20:14 GMT -5
Octopussy as a title implies that Octopussy has eight vaginas. That alone makes it better than Goldeneye.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 28, 2018 21:42:27 GMT -5
I just can't get my head around it. Saying Ghost Protocol is better than M:I 3 is like saying Octopussy is better than Goldeneye. At no point in M:I 3 does Tom Cruise climb on the outside of the Burj Khalifa tower... And yet at no point does the plot of Ghost Protocol become nearly as personal for Ethan Hunt as the plot of M:I 3.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 28, 2018 22:52:14 GMT -5
Best movie of the year thus far.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 29, 2018 0:05:50 GMT -5
The Mission: Impossible franchise is one of the few in movie history to operate on a consistent basis of putting out solid entries aside from its lone blemish (Mission: Impossible II), something all the more impressive considering its star has evolved with the franchise to continually raise the stakes and push himself despite being in his 50s. These films have always delivered a lot of fun without much of the grit that the latest James Bond films have embodied, and have thrived at being the polished blueprint for summer escapism done right. I've never felt like the narrative or characters throughout these six films are ever as compelling as they could be, but the action sequences are nothing short of incredible and the reliance on practical stunt work over CGI when possible is something to wholly applaud when other blockbusters favor the easy route. This time around, Fallout picks up almost directly where Rogue Nation left off and starts us with a very exposition heavy introduction to Ethan Hunt's (Tom Cruise) latest mission to keep three casings of plutonium from falling into the hands of Rogue Nation foe Solomon Lane's (Sean Harris) hands, or rather the hands of his followers. In order to extract the plutonium from Black Market arms dealer the White Widow (Vanessa Kirby), Hunt must pose as terrorist John Lark and capture Solomon Lane as collateral. From here the plot shakes out in pretty standard fashion with some clever twists and some pretty obvious ones while Hunt must contend with CIA agent August Walker (Henry Cavill) and the return of Ilsa Faust (Rebecca Ferguson), who is on a mission of her own. At this point the franchise has firmly rooted itself in its successful formula, and as a result the shock factor of the various twists throughout is pretty mild, but everything moves at such an exhilarating pace that you really don't have much time to dwell on any of it anyways. Where the film does falter though are the expositional sequences and character asides that are relatively one note and glaringly dull in comparison to the spectacularly executed action sequences. Sure, that shouldn't come as a surprise that these moments aren't nearly as compelling as Ethan evading police in Paris on a motorcycle or hijacking a helicopter, but it's a missed opportunity that would've given those action sequences more brevity. Mostly the characters just talk about how wonderful of a guy Ethan is amongst one another, as if that ever needed emphasis. We hear about how noble Ethan is for walking away from the woman he loves because it's his duty to protect people, and how his morals are always in the right place. I would've gladly traded these Ethan Hunt gush moments for more insight into just about anything else. Cruise is wonderful as Hunt, but I've never really felt like Ethan Hunt was all that compelling of a character. I suppose James Bond might not be either, as neither of them really grapple with much in the way of morality or are harboring personal demons aside from their respective love interests. Ethan Hunt is the embodiment of pure good making him the perfect action hero but a largely uninteresting dramatic character. I've always viewed Ethan Hunt as essentially Tom Cruise playing himself, which he does wonderfully but fails to ignite the dramatic weight that these situations he finds himself in should. The only thing that really seems to get much of a response out of him is his ex-wife (Michelle Monaghan), a trope that I'm pretty disinterested in the fourth time around. Her screen time in the film also just feels really forced and brought nothing to the story for me. I suppose it's nice that she didn't play the damsel in distress for Ethan to rescue like I had anticipated, but she mostly just chops it up with Luther (Ving Rhames) asking about Ethan, leading to more discussion of what a great guy he is. Though to be fair, at least this time they're disarming a nuclear weapon while doing it. The comedy this time around also felt off for me, and I wondered if maybe McQuarrie is getting too comfortable with his writing and is essentially rehashing the comedic timings and one-line quips from Benji (Simon Pegg) to the point where it just feels obligatory. I wanted the plot to push itself more, take some risks, and have at least some of the characters change in some fashion, but I couldn't shake the feeling that McQuarrie took what's worked and just plugged it right back into this one. Is that an issue? Well not necessarily. The franchise has been at its peak since Ghost Protocol, so why mess with a formula that's clearly working? Very true, but again for a film that's supposedly as predicated on keeping the audience on their toes as it is with its incredible action sequences, the plot and character development doesn't bring much to the table and is a step back from Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation. Fortunately though the action sequences in the film certainly cannot be described as a disappointment in any way. The bathroom fight scene is one of the best I've ever viewed, combining a perfect blend of gleefully brutal violence, comic timing, and absence of jarring cuts that remove the viewer from the action. It's got to be the highlight of the film, its Dubai tower if you will, and should be used as a model when anyone begins to block out a hand-to-hand combat scene. Other highlights include Hunt and Walker skydiving through a storm, a wild motorcycle chase through the streets of Paris, and Ethan in pursuit while piloting a helicopter. All of this is extremely well crafted, and perhaps the most impressive element of it all is that while it's all teeming in scale, none of it feels absurd. The franchise has exceedingly moved away from gadgets and being too spy-techy (aside from the hallmark face mapper for creating those masks we love so much) since the first two installments, and in addition to the emphasis on practical stunt work, this is a spy franchise that actually feels very grounded, plausible even. I can pick on the film for not being as daring narratively as I would like it to be, but I don't feel that anything is out of place or flat out doesn't work either. The movie wants to feed enough exposition to get the ball rolling, but McQuarrie knows these films are at their best when there's less pseudo-morality chatter going on and more of Tom Cruise doing some of the most incredible physical stunt work a star of his caliber has ever done. I wish I had more to say about the film, but really it's all pretty simple in a "that's how you make a summer blockbuster" kind of way. The action is sensationally strong, the plot is serviceable but never inspiring, Tom Cruise is a marvel at what he puts into the role, and McQuarrie knows how to make a two hour plus film whizz by. In a summer that's easily been one of the weakest in recent memory, Mission: Impossible - Fallout is the good time at the movies we've been yearning for. 7/10
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 29, 2018 0:39:00 GMT -5
At no point in M:I 3 does Tom Cruise climb on the outside of the Burj Khalifa tower... And yet at no point does the plot of Ghost Protocol become nearly as personal for Ethan Hunt as the plot of M:I 3. Mission: Impossible - The Revenge. "This time it's personal...and there's a shark." Edit: Oh man, now I have a mental mix of the Jaws theme morphing into the Mission theme. This crossover NEEDS to happen for that alone.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 29, 2018 2:50:32 GMT -5
I just can't get my head around it. Saying Ghost Protocol is better than M:I 3 is like saying Octopussy is better than Goldeneye. A more fair comparison is: "That's like saying Tomorrow Never Dies is better than Skyfall."
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Post by Dracula on Jul 29, 2018 5:20:21 GMT -5
At no point in M:I 3 does Tom Cruise climb on the outside of the Burj Khalifa tower... And yet at no point does the plot of Ghost Protocol become nearly as personal for Ethan Hunt as the plot of M:I 3. And that is the disconnect, insights into Ethan Hunts personal life is decidedly not what I want out of these movies. I just can't get my head around it. Saying Ghost Protocol is better than M:I 3 is like saying Octopussy is better than Goldeneye. A more fair comparison is: "That's like saying Tomorrow Never Dies is better than Skyfall." Tomorrow Never Dies is better than Skyfall
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