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Post by Neverending on Mar 18, 2018 0:28:36 GMT -5
The Dark Crystal (1982)This is what happens when all the drugs you took in the 1960's finally catches up to you in the 80's. Jim Henson made this movie with the belief that children should face their fears. It's the story of an elf on a journey to restore the balance between good and evil. So, basically, Star Wars. Problem is the movie is ugly and bizarre. I can't imagine any kid watching this and learning any lessons. They're just thinking, "Jim Henson, do you need therapy?" I think the 80's taught us that kids value realism. Movies like Dark Crystal and Return To Oz are just fucking weird and rightfully flopped. Star Wars. Indiana Jones. E.T. Gremlins. Ghostbusters. Back to the Future. The Gooniesy. Batman. All those movies, to some degree, are grounded in reality. If you get too far-fetched with the fantasy or science-fiction, you're gonna lose the audiences emotional investment. The story and the characters need to feel real. Not to completely dismiss Dark Crystal, because the movie does have technical merits. It features a giant leap in puppetry which paved the way for the Ninja Turtles movie and the Dinosaurs TV series. It has its place in history, even if the final product is totally bonkers.
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Post by Deexan on Mar 18, 2018 1:13:39 GMT -5
There was no shark.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 18, 2018 1:37:47 GMT -5
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Post by Dracula on Mar 18, 2018 6:48:28 GMT -5
But if Lao Che had successfully killed Indy at the beginning of Temple, then being a prequel, none of the other Indiana Jones movies would exist. It was his elaborate plan to kill Kingdom of the Crystal Skull before it was conceived. Therefore I insist he is actually the thwarted hero of the entire series. True, but that also means the Nazis would have taken over the world with the power of the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail, so on balance his heroism might have been a bit questionable.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 18, 2018 7:32:19 GMT -5
But if Lao Che had successfully killed Indy at the beginning of Temple, then being a prequel, none of the other Indiana Jones movies would exist. It was his elaborate plan to kill Kingdom of the Crystal Skull before it was conceived. Therefore I insist he is actually the thwarted hero of the entire series. True, but that also means the Nazis would have taken over the world with the power of the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail, so on balance his heroism might have been a bit questionable.
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 18, 2018 8:25:19 GMT -5
True, but that also means the Nazis would have taken over the world with the power of the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail, so on balance his heroism might have been a bit questionable. 1. Big Bang Theory is vile garbage. 2. Though Belloq and company would all have died, the Nazis would still have the ark and, with enough research, might have learned to harness its power.
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Post by Jibbs on Mar 18, 2018 11:20:43 GMT -5
So wait, Dan Aykroyd was the villain of Temple of Doom?
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Post by Doomsday on Mar 18, 2018 13:50:43 GMT -5
But who was the real REAL villain in Philadelphia?
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 18, 2018 14:19:24 GMT -5
Everyone in Pennsylvania is an asshole, so...
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Post by frankyt on Mar 18, 2018 16:12:01 GMT -5
False.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 19, 2018 0:21:59 GMT -5
LABYRINTH (1986)Seakazoo and sabin26 on their wedding dayJim Henson, George Lucas and Terry Jones (of Monty Python) joined forces to give us David Bowie's bulge. A career highlight, I'm sure. I've watched this movie in all three stages of my life. Childhood. Teenhood. Adulthood. My reaction has largely been the same. Indifference. Let me ask a controversial question. Does Jim Henson suck? Instead of wasting his time badmouthing The Goonies, maybe Dracula should dive deep into the world of Jim Henson and give us definitive answers on this subject matter. I'm not the one to do it because, like the rest of you, Jim Henson is ingrained in my boyhood DNA. Sesame Street and The Muppets are cultural milestones and among the first things in entertainment we were exposed to. But mostly everything else with Jim Henson's name attached to it has been crap. Objectively, I can't really say Jim Henson did anything significant outside his two franchises. Dinosaurs was popular in the 1990's but it seems forgotten today. It feels fitting that George Lucas was involved in Labyrinth. Henson and him seem like the same thing. Both are defined by their two franchises and their special effects company. I'm not gonna deny Henson his place is history cause he definitely contributed to the advancement of puppetry. I'm just saying that hard work was wasted on nonsense like Labyrinth. It stars Jennifer Connelly as a whiny teenage girl whose infant brother is kidnapped by David Bowie and a bunch of muppets. She then goes on a quest to rescue him and grows up in the process. It's a good premise and I do like Connelly and Bowie in their roles. But the story is a giant bore. Really, nothing happens. Connelly runs around in a maze and interacts with a bunch of muppets. Meanwhile, Bowie is just singing and dancing. Enough people like it for it to be a cult hit. This is definitely not The Dark Crystal. But, as I said, it has never done anything for me. It's just one giant "meh."
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Post by thebtskink on Mar 19, 2018 6:16:17 GMT -5
Obviously you were never a ten year old girl
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Post by Frizzo the Clown on Mar 19, 2018 9:10:17 GMT -5
Obviously you were never a ten year old girl I was. Once. It didn't end well.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 22, 2018 19:42:47 GMT -5
GREMLINS (1984)You know you're old when you can relate to the dad in Gremlins. He's played for laughs, the in-over-his-head inventor who's pitted by his family, but the man is hanging on to his dreams and somehow still paying the bills in suburbia. Wait. Was this movie made in 1984? Oh, God. In the remake they're gonna be living in the ghetto. Anyway, this is the Steven Spielberg/Chris Columbus/Joe Dante collaboration about a stereotypical Chinaman who sells a weird creature that can multiply and terrorize the city if it gets wet and fed way past his bedtime. It was a hit and spawned shitty imitators like Ghoulies and Critters. Along with Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, it also led to the creation of the PG-13 rating in America and the future pussification of our society. We falsely call those Millennials but it's really Generation Z. Get it right, damn it. Anywho, Gremlins is a cute little movie. It starts out innocent and Spielbergian and then turns into some wacky Joe Dante nonsense. It's like From Dusk Till Dawn but for kids. THE GOONIES (1985)PG Cooper and Dracula finally meetThis Steven Spielberg/Chris Columbus/Richard Donner collaboration is about a group of white people living in the goon docks, who are being evicted out of their home by the latest Donald Trump Golf Resort, so they collude with the Russians and Facebook to brainwash senior citizens into voting for their best interest. It's surprisingly ahead of its time. Goonies is very similar to E.T. in the sense that it's from the children's point of view. While that movie is idealistic, this one feels more real cause if a group of kids were going treasure hunting in their backyard, this is very likely how they would react. Adults may find it annoying cause it's a noisy film to say the least but it succeeds in what it's trying to do.
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Post by thebtskink on Mar 22, 2018 20:11:06 GMT -5
How dare you call the series tthat spawned this shitty?
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Post by Deexan on Mar 22, 2018 22:01:37 GMT -5
Critters 3 was DiCaprio's finest hour: discuss.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 22, 2018 22:19:06 GMT -5
Critters 3 was DiCaprio's finest hour: discuss. His best performance is Critters 3, his worse is The Revenant. His talents diminish with each new role, a Benjamin Buttons of sorts.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 22, 2018 23:54:57 GMT -5
YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES AND THE PYRAMID OF FEAR (1985)This is the Steven Spielberg/Chris Columbus/Barry Levinson collaboration that J.K. Rowling ripped off when penning the original Harry Potter book. Like Donald Trump, PhantomKnight will shout "fake news" if you tell him that but the rest of us can see the evidence quite clearly. It's about three British teenagers in boarding school (two boys and a girl) solving a fantasy-based mystery where a teacher turns out to be the villain. This is also the movie that begins the decline of the Steven Spielberg brand. People are expecting to watch Young Sherlock Holmes but instead get Young Indiana Jones. What the fuck were they thinking when they made this movie, that no one would notice it's a repurposed Indiana Jones script? My God, what great delusions. Following this, we got Harry and the Hendersons, Innerspace and Batteries Not Included to wrap up 80's Spielberg alongside the more fondly remembered Roger Rabbit and Back to the Future Part II. But it was never quite the heights of that Poltergeist-Gremlins-BTTF-Goonies run. Sherlock soured the experience by giving audiences the feeling that all these movies were the same. That was back when such things mattered. Now Marvel can make 50 movies with the same plot and make billions at the box office. But hey, at least this movie gave us the first CGI character. Cinema was forever better for it, am I right? How could Ready Player One had been a clutter of CGI without Young Sherlock Holmes. Spielberg, I think you can retire. Your journey is complete.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 23, 2018 2:30:09 GMT -5
THE LAST STARFIGHTER (1984)Star Wars spawned many imitators but this is probably the only one to get it right. Yeah, you can tear apart the plot for its silly concept and its story beats that closely resemble Star Wars, but all that is countered with heart. This isn’t a shameless cash-in. They genuinely wanted to make a good movie and it shows. The movie begins in a trailer park community. Our hero is an average college-aged kid with too much free time and no direction in life. The only thing he excels at is in an arcade game called Starfighter. He beats the game and then a space man shows up to recruit him for an intergalactic war. He reluctantly joins and goes on to become the hero of the war. It’s dumb. It’s child level fantasy. But that’s not the point. It’s a coming-of-age story. It’s about a young man who’s insecure and faces constant obstacles but ultimately finds his place in the universe and comes out ahead. It’s well-meaning. It’s fun. It’s different. It has a lot of heart. If you hate this movie you’re just dead inside. Your heart is as black as coal.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 23, 2018 20:36:22 GMT -5
Big Trouble in Little China (1986)Long before Hollywood pandered to the Asian market, there was Big Trouble in Little China. It's one of John Carpenter's best and among the best the 1980's had to offer. It stars Kurt Russell as a bumbling truck driver helping his more competent friend rescue their ladies from an ancient sorcerer. It's a live-action anime with everything you want: humorous characters, loads of action, cheesy effects and a kickass soundtrack. You watch these Pacific Rim movies and last year's Power Rangers and they don't get it. Carpenter gets it.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 24, 2018 18:03:56 GMT -5
MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE (1987)At the risk of angering Frizzo the Clown and Wyldstaar, I'm just gonna rip that bandaid and say it, I don't hate this movie. It's too bizarre to hate. Let's break it down. There's no beginning. You start in the middle of a fucking movie. All the characters are established. The story is in motion. If you had no knowledge of He-Man whatsoever you would have no idea what the fuck was going on. The balls in expecting your audience to know all the backstory. They don't even give you a Road Warrior/Evil Dead style montage to recap things. After the shock of their being no first act has settled in, they then ship He-Man off to Earth. This is usually where people turn off the movie. I'm sure 99.8% have never seen Masters of the Universe from beginning to end. The fact Courtney Cox has gone her entire career without being mocked for being in He-Man: The Movie is evidence of that. It's like Matt Le Blanc and that baseball/monkey movie that only thebtskink has watched. Only 00.02% of people have watched Masters of the Universe in its entirety: those unfortunate ones that paid to watch it in theaters, masochistic fanboys and now me. Perception is that this is a cheapo Canon production, one of many, but it actually isn't. He-Man lands on Earth. He meets Courtney Cox and her boyfriend (He-Man is gay, obviously, so he ain't gonna bang Monica Geller) and then Skeletor sends a bunch of monsters to kill them. It's like a way more convoluted version of Terminator. So once the premise has been set-up, all that follows is a series of action scenes. It's alarming how much action there is in this movie. Here's what I think happened. Clearly, there was a budget. They did build a set for Skeletor's lair. There's make-up, costumes and weapons. They closed down streets in Los Angeles to film a shit-ton of action scenes. There was money invested into this movie. But there was no faith in the audience. They knew kids were gonna drag their parents into this movie, so they made a movie for the parents and hoped the kids wouldn't care that it was a He-Man On Earth movie. But kids hated the movie because they wanna watch He-Man on He-Man Land, and since there's no first act, parents have no idea what the fuck is going on and tuned out right away. Lesson here is: stick to the damn source material. Other misguided adaptations could teach us that lesson as well, but at least this one is interesting to say the least. Let's now conclude by saying that Frank Langella is awesome as Skeletor.
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Post by Doomsday on Mar 24, 2018 18:12:18 GMT -5
From my understanding, they planned on having none of the movie in LA but they ran out of money after only a couple weeks of shooting. They rewrote the script drastically to include locations that required little to no set design to save money.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 24, 2018 18:27:54 GMT -5
From my understanding, they planned on having none of the movie in LA but they ran out of money after only a couple weeks of shooting. They rewrote the script drastically to include locations that required little to no set design to save money. The original script by David Odell (The Dark Crystal) did take place on Earth but there was A LOT more scenes leading up to it and there was some convoluted nonsense about He-Man's mother being from Earth. If they did run out of money, which is possible with Canon, it might explain the movies lack of a first act.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 24, 2018 18:43:03 GMT -5
I really wanted that sequel where He-Man was a high school football player.
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Post by Deexan on Mar 24, 2018 18:46:06 GMT -5
He-Man ain't need no build-up. That mofuckker is HE-MAN.
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