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Post by Neverending on Feb 1, 2018 12:39:47 GMT -5
Happy February Let’s take a break from the Criterion Collection to discuss movies about the Black experience. First up: HIGHER LEARNING (1995)It’s sad that people in PG Cooper’s age-group will never know how comically absurd this movie is, because unfortunately, life has become this movie. Higher Learning, John Singleton’s follow-up to the genre-defining Boyz n the Hood and the snoozefest Poetic Justice, follows a group of racially diverse students in the fictional Christopher Columbus University. There’s Ice Cube, Busta Rhymes and Omar Epps as a cliche of socially & politically charged young Black men. There’s Laurence Fishburne as a cliche Black professor. There’s Kristy Swanson as the cliche White girl that becomes a lesbian in college. Her way-too-brief sex scene with Jennifer Connelly is hilariously the only thing people remember about this fucking movie. And to top it all off, there’s Cole Hauser and Michael Rapaport as Nazi’s. Yes, Nazi’s! Young people, you need to understand how ridiculous this movie came across in 1995. It was like the “serious version” of the Jeremy Piven/David Spade classic PCU. My review of which you can read here: comingsoon.boards.net/thread/362/re-evaluating-bad-movies?q=PivenSadly, in 2018, this movie is all too real. Everything that happens in the story you can find a real version of from JUST the last 4 years. There should be a required nationwide screening of Higher Learning, and when it’s over, someone should stand in front of the country and say, “society you have failed us. This used to be FICTION.” And then that person should storm off and move to Canada.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 1, 2018 13:11:56 GMT -5
Good idea for a thread. Where would you place it in Singleton's filmography.
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 1, 2018 13:54:23 GMT -5
Wait, a lesbian scene with Kristy Swanson and Jennifer Connelly?
Where can I find this masterpiece?
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Post by Dracula on Feb 1, 2018 15:23:03 GMT -5
Poetic Justice isn't perfect but I'd hardly call it a "snooze fest."
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Post by Deexan on Feb 1, 2018 15:45:14 GMT -5
I watched Higher Learning an absurd amount of times when it arrived at my local video store.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 1, 2018 16:34:44 GMT -5
Poetic Justice isn't perfect but I'd hardly call it a "snooze fest." Boomerang > Jungle Fever > Poetic Justice
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2018 1:23:47 GMT -5
To Sir, with Love (1967)Long before Will Smith was the whitest black man in Hollywood, there was Sidney Poitier. This man was so inoffensive that in 1967, a seminal year in which he also starred in Heat of the Night and Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, they cast him as the inspirational teacher at an inner city white school in England. No one blinked. The movie isn’t even infamously laughable. The world watched it and said, “..... sure.” Not here to discredit Mr. Poitier. His accomplishments are culturally important and this movie does have its place. In 12 years he went from the hoodlum in Blackboard Jungle to the first black man to win Best Actor at the Oscars to starring as the righteous teacher in an all-white school. But there’s still a tiny part in all of us that chuckle at the absurdity of this movie. Embrace it. The world’s a strange place.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 10, 2018 1:35:48 GMT -5
Movie's on the PVR. Maybe I'll watch it next week when I'm visiting home.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2018 18:13:08 GMT -5
Movie's on the PVR. Maybe I'll watch it next week when I'm visiting home. This is where I’m confused. I get that having Sidney Poitier teach at a Southern redneck school might have been too much for 1960’s America, so they moved the story to inner city England. But isn’t Britain just as racist, or even more racist, than America? How was this movie NOT controversy in the U.K. ? It reminds me of the scene in Do the Right Thing where Spike Lee says to John Turturro, “you hate black people but you also wear Michael Jordan sneakers.” This movie is a pair of Michael Jordan sneakers. The fact this movie was a non-controversial smash hit would make a great lesson plan in your movie class. By the way, what’s the black experience in Canada? I know you guys hate aboriginals, but did you guys also have black slaves and civil rights and all that stuff?
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 10, 2018 18:27:35 GMT -5
Movie's on the PVR. Maybe I'll watch it next week when I'm visiting home. This is where I’m confused. I get that having Sidney Poitier teach at a Southern redneck school might have been too much for 1960’s America, so they moved the story to inner city England. But isn’t Britain just as racist, or even more racist, than America? How was this movie NOT controversy in the U.K. ? It reminds me of the scene in Do the Right Thing where Spike Lee says to John Turturro, “you hate black people but you also wear Michael Jordan sneakers.” This movie is a pair of Michael Jordan sneakers. The fact this movie was a non-controversial smash hit would make a great lesson plan in your movie class. By the way, what’s the black experience in Canada? I know you guys hate aboriginals, but did you guys also have black slaves and civil rights and all that stuff? We also have a history of slavery, but it isn't nearly as extensive and racial division isn't at the forefront of our politics or culture in quite the same way. That said, we do share a lot of the same problems and that's something I think a lot of white Canadians, whether consciously or not, like to believe racism is more of an American thing. It's funny you mention my teaching, last week was actually on race in cinema. We looked at the documentary I Am Not Your Negro, and we also looked at excerpts from movies like The Butler and Hidden Figures to explore some of the half-measures Hollywood often takes when dealing with race and racial conflict. For my tutorials, I also showed the opening credits to Spike Lee's Malcolm X to try and demonstrate filmmakers who contextualize historical stories of racial struggle as being highly contemporary and also aren't concerned with making white audiences comfortable.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2018 18:34:24 GMT -5
This is where I’m confused. I get that having Sidney Poitier teach at a Southern redneck school might have been too much for 1960’s America, so they moved the story to inner city England. But isn’t Britain just as racist, or even more racist, than America? How was this movie NOT controversy in the U.K. ? It reminds me of the scene in Do the Right Thing where Spike Lee says to John Turturro, “you hate black people but you also wear Michael Jordan sneakers.” This movie is a pair of Michael Jordan sneakers. The fact this movie was a non-controversial smash hit would make a great lesson plan in your movie class. By the way, what’s the black experience in Canada? I know you guys hate aboriginals, but did you guys also have black slaves and civil rights and all that stuff? We also have a history of slavery, but it isn't nearly as extensive and racial division isn't at the forefront of our politics or culture in quite the same way. That said, we do share a lot of the same problems and that's something I think a lot of white Canadians, whether consciously or not, like to believe racism is more of an American thing. It's funny you mention my teaching, last week was actually on race in cinema. We looked at the documentary I Am Not Your Negro, and we also looked at excerpts from movies like The Butler and Hidden Figures to explore some of the half-measures Hollywood often takes when dealing with race and racial conflict. For my tutorials, I also showed the opening credits to Spike Lee's Malcolm X to try and demonstrate filmmakers who contextualize historical stories of racial struggle as being highly contemporary and also aren't concerned with making white audiences comfortable. Show them Malcolm X.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 10, 2018 18:37:21 GMT -5
We also have a history of slavery, but it isn't nearly as extensive and racial division isn't at the forefront of our politics or culture in quite the same way. That said, we do share a lot of the same problems and that's something I think a lot of white Canadians, whether consciously or not, like to believe racism is more of an American thing. It's funny you mention my teaching, last week was actually on race in cinema. We looked at the documentary I Am Not Your Negro, and we also looked at excerpts from movies like The Butler and Hidden Figures to explore some of the half-measures Hollywood often takes when dealing with race and racial conflict. For my tutorials, I also showed the opening credits to Spike Lee's Malcolm X to try and demonstrate filmmakers who contextualize historical stories of racial struggle as being highly contemporary and also aren't concerned with making white audiences comfortable. Show them Malcolm X. I would if I could. I did take some time after we discussed the opening to urge my students to see the film. Across both my classes I did have one student who has seen the film, so that made me happy.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 10, 2018 19:02:59 GMT -5
Movie's on the PVR. Maybe I'll watch it next week when I'm visiting home. This is where I’m confused. I get that having Sidney Poitier teach at a Southern redneck school might have been too much for 1960’s America, so they moved the story to inner city England. But isn’t Britain just as racist, or even more racist, than America? How was this movie NOT controversy in the U.K. ? It reminds me of the scene in Do the Right Thing where Spike Lee says to John Turturro, “you hate black people but you also wear Michael Jordan sneakers.” This movie is a pair of Michael Jordan sneakers. The fact this movie was a non-controversial smash hit would make a great lesson plan in your movie class. By the way, what’s the black experience in Canada? I know you guys hate aboriginals, but did you guys also have black slaves and civil rights and all that stuff? The British hate poor people about as much as they hate black people and Indians, so they probably didn't care that a bunch of East End kids had a teacher of color. If the film had had Poitier teaching at Eton or something they probably would have started shitting themselves.
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Post by Deexan on Feb 10, 2018 19:31:51 GMT -5
Hey now, Indians are loved in this country. An Indian dish is literally our national meal. Not so for Pakistanis, sadly.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2018 19:33:51 GMT -5
This is where I’m confused. I get that having Sidney Poitier teach at a Southern redneck school might have been too much for 1960’s America, so they moved the story to inner city England. But isn’t Britain just as racist, or even more racist, than America? How was this movie NOT controversy in the U.K. ? It reminds me of the scene in Do the Right Thing where Spike Lee says to John Turturro, “you hate black people but you also wear Michael Jordan sneakers.” This movie is a pair of Michael Jordan sneakers. The fact this movie was a non-controversial smash hit would make a great lesson plan in your movie class. By the way, what’s the black experience in Canada? I know you guys hate aboriginals, but did you guys also have black slaves and civil rights and all that stuff? The British hate poor people
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Post by Dracula on Feb 10, 2018 19:40:26 GMT -5
Hey now, Indians are loved in this country. An Indian dish is literally our national meal. Not so for Pakistanis, sadly. Y'all love Indians so much you took their country for yourselves for almost a hundred years.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 10, 2018 19:48:44 GMT -5
Hey now, Indians are loved in this country. An Indian dish is literally our national meal. Not so for Pakistanis, sadly. Y'all love Indians so much you took their country for yourselves for almost a hundred years.
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Post by Deexan on Feb 10, 2018 19:53:21 GMT -5
I said they're loved in this country.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 16, 2018 1:12:45 GMT -5
STEEL (1997)Full Disclosure: I watched Steel with the intent of mocking it, but following a day in which valentines turned into another school shooting in America, I just couldn't get in the mood. Truth is, it ain't that bad. It came out the same year as Batman & Robin and Spawn and is Citizen Kane by comparison. Shaquille O'Neal had no business acting... or making video games... or rap music, but there is a solid movie built around him. This could have joined Meteor Man and Blankman as an urban cult hit if they hadn't gone with the stunt casting. You're telling me Mario Van Peebles wasn't available? Steel is very much a 90's superhero film. We're introduced to Steel and he's working for the military in their weapons development program. After a bad accident leaves his friend in a wheelchair, he leaves and moves back with his family in Los Angeles. One of them is Ray J, less than a decade before his penis made Kim Kardashian a billion dollar industry. Anyway, Steel is just chillin' in L.A. when suddenly street gangs show up with the weapons he was developing in the military, and they start terrorizing the neighborhoods. If any of this sounds familiar it's because it's the plot to Iron Man. You motherfuckers gonna go watch Black Panther this weekend and praise it for being "revolutionary", meanwhile ya'll talking mad shit about Steel. This is the real groundbreaker. But cause white man Robert Downey Jr did his own version, we're gonna erase Steel from history. Not under my watch. Anyway, Steel joins forces with his wheelchair buddy and Shaft and the three of them build a superhero suit for Steel and now he's roaming the streets of L.A. fighting crime. You get the montage. You get the mini battles with the villain. You get the hero's home attacked and his loved ones kidnapped. You get the big final confrontation with the bad guys in an isolated area. It's all textbook stuff. Aside from Shaq's acting, the generic script is what hurts the overall product. I'd never put this alongside the early greats of the genre. But its reputation is way too harsh. It's middle-of-the-road. And isn't that where most modern day Marvel and DC movies land? You're gonna fault Steel cause it was early in the game and had a low budget and didn't end with Los Angeles blowing up? Not under my watch.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 23, 2018 3:39:10 GMT -5
HOLLYWOOD SHUFFLE (1987)Long before Black Panther was pulling Avengers type numbers at the box office, Robert Townsend and the Wayans' were laying down the tracks that allowed its drive to success. It's easy to dismiss Hollywood Shuffle as a wacky comedy since it's mostly skits that paved the way for In Living Color, Chappelle Show and Key & Peele but its cinematic achievement is quite obvious when you put it in context. Before the 1980's you could count the number of black leading actors with your fingertips. The roles simply weren't there. The industry was dominated by white people making movies for white audiences and the few black stars were thrown into that mix. Eddie Murphy's streak of success with 48 HRS, Trading Places and Beverly Hills Cop were just white-targeted movies that just happened to star a black actor. So when Robert Townsend shows up with a black cast in a mainstream comedy that also criticizes the industry, you can feel the earth shake. Almost immediately you start getting studio funded movies that move beyond black stereotypes and are made predominately for black audiences. Once actors and talent behind the scenes aren't restricted, they can showcase their craft and start getting included in the blockbusters. All that was made possible by Hollywood Shuffle by putting a spotlight on the issue. Mr. Townsend, we salute you.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 23, 2018 14:40:24 GMT -5
METEOR MAN (1993)He rapes but he saves, and he saves more than he rapes, but he does rape. As the Black Panther begins its second week of dominance at the box office, having already grossed $500 million worldwide, let's take a moment to remember the black superhero who was there when superheroes weren't in fashion: Meteor Man. We can mock Robert Townsend all we want but the man is a pioneer of black entertainment. After breaking the racial barrier with Hollywood Shuffle, he continued his 'representation matters' crusade with Meteor Man. Yes, the movie is sappy and cliche but it makes up for it with heart. Heart is something that's missing from almost every superhero movie made today. They can't fit it inbetween all the explosions. Meteor Man stars Townsend as Jefferson Reed, a wimpy substitute teacher living in a gang ridden neighborhood of Washington DC. After he's struck by a green glowing meteor, he gets Superman type powers and sets out to clean the neighborhood. He isn't pitted against any supervillains. The city doesn't blow up. There aren't any quick fixes. The movie is quaint. His major accomplishment is inspiring the community to stand up against crime. It might be sappy and unrealistic, but that's what we want from our superheroes. No really thinks a man in an iron suit is gonna fly to the Middle East and stop a tank. It's fantasy based on real problems. So let's not be overly critical because it tackles a subject closer to home.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 23, 2018 23:40:10 GMT -5
BUCK AND THE PREACHER (1972)In the midst of blaxploitation, Sidney Poitier made his directorial debut in a comedy-western starring him and best pal Harry Belafonte. Set right after the Civil War, Poitier and Belafonte are two gunslingers helping a wagon trail of black folks make the journey from the south to the west. If any of this sounds vaguely familiar that's because it takes place in the same time period as Mario Van Peebles' Posse. While that movie was a Tombstone wannabe, this one is more in tune with the spaghetti westerns of the era. You have your extreme wide-shots and extreme close-ups. You have your wacky characters and quirky music. It's loads of fun if you're into these type of movies. But the most notable thing is the lack of romanticism for the west. History tells us that the west was the land of opportunity for the freed slaves of the south. Most cowboys were black folks. It's just pulp novels and cinema and television that turned it into a white thing. The whole cowboy vs indians thing is just nonsense. Here, you get black people and native americans join forces to battle a common enemy: the white man.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 25, 2018 2:14:36 GMT -5
DANGEROUS MINDS (1995)Dracula's latest nostalgia series is talking shit about the 80's, but don't get too smug cause it's only a matter of time till PG Cooper sharpens his knives and talks shit about the 90's. Strangely enough, one of the defining movies of the decade for people that lived through it, is Dangerous Minds. Movie was huge. Soundtrack was huge. Both are long forgotten in 2018. So why did it resonate at the time? It definitely wasn't the subject matter. As thebtskink will point out, forget Blackboard Jungle, we had Lean on Me and The Substitute so the lack of originality didn't escape anyone. The reason, and Doomsday will hate to read this, might be Michelle Pfeiffer. It's easy to take Edward James Olmos for granted in Stand & Deliver, but as soon as you see a white woman enter an inner city classroom your mind goes to dark places. You're just waiting for the rape scene. The movie doesn't even shy from it. The first scene is literally a student walking up to her and saying, "I wanna eat your pussy." The fact she changes lives AND doesn't get raped is a major accomplishment. That's when you get off your seat and give the movie a standing ovation. Here's an example where you prefer the female Ghostbuster over the male one. It's more interesting to see a woman in this situation than A MAN laying down the law. And a white woman specifically cause if you put a sassy black woman or a latina it just wouldn't be the same. You see that white woman and think to yourself, "I wanna see where this is going."
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 25, 2018 3:19:39 GMT -5
I'm in the car around 2 hours a day because of my commute. At least every other day I come across Gangsta's Paradise on the 90s XM station. I listen every time. Every single time.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 25, 2018 3:41:14 GMT -5
I'm in the car around 2 hours a day because of my commute. At least every other day I come across Gangsta's Paradise on the 90s XM station. I listen every time. Every single time. And to think Dracula gave the 1995 Golden Stake Award to Kiss from a Rose.
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