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Post by Deexan on Nov 3, 2017 21:21:44 GMT -5
Warner Bros. Television and the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien are in talks with Amazon Studios to develop a series based on the late author’s “The Lord of the Rings” novels. Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos is said by sources with knowledge of the situation to be personally involved in the negotiations, which are still in very early stages. No deal has been set.
The studio and the Tolkien estate have been shopping a series based on the classic fantasy novels and their assortment of hobbits, wizards, and warriors, sparking a competitive situation from which Amazon has emerged as the frontrunner. Representatives for Amazon and Warner Bros. declined to comment.
It is uncommon for Bezos — known to be a fan of high fantasy and science fiction — to involve himself personally in dealmaking for Amazon Studios. But talks for “The Lord of the Rings” come at an uncommon moment for the e-commerce giant’s video-entertainment division. Last month Amazon Studios flushed its executive ranks, with president Roy Price, head of scripted Joe Lewis, and head of unscripted Conrad Riggs all departing. Price’s departure came just days after he was suspended on the heels of a sexual harassment allegation made against him by a producer on the company’s original series “The Man in the High Castle.” Lewis and Riggs’ departures followed a week later.
But the pursuit of “The Lord of the Rings” is in line with a new programming mandate dictated this year by Bezos, who, months before Price departed, ordered him to shift Amazon Studios away from niche, naturalistic series such as “Transparent” and “Mozart in the Jungle” and toward large-scale genre programming with potential for broad international appeal. As part of that shift, Amazon canceled two series, “Z: The Beginning of Everything” and “The Last Tycoon,” and began shifting resources away from Lewis’ development team and to a unit led by event-series exec Sharon Tal Yguado. With Lewis’ departure, Tal Yguado was named head of scripted series, reporting to Price’s interim replacement, Amazon Studios COO Albert Cheng.
The fact that a “Lord of the Rings” series is being shopped by Warner Bros. marks a thaw in the relationship between the studio and the Tolkien estate, which in July settled a massive lawsuit that had dragged on since 2012. The dispute, with Tolkien’s heirs and publisher HarperCollins on one side and Warner Bros. — which produced director Peter Jackon’s live-action feature film adaptations of “The Lord of the Rings” and its prequel, “The Hobbit” — on the other, stemmed from the use characters from the movies in online slot machines and other games.
Terms of the settlement were not disclosed, but a legal filing stated that no fees or costs were to be awarded by the court and that no party was entitled to recover fees or costs.variety.com/2017/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-amazon-1202606519/Yes please.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 3, 2017 22:06:48 GMT -5
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 13, 2017 21:16:13 GMT -5
Can't really call it Lord of the Rings, then...
(Or "successful")
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Post by Deexan on Nov 14, 2017 8:56:19 GMT -5
Prequel could mean between hobbit and lotr.
Or pre-hobbit, in other words, the silmarillion/unfinished tales.
Oh god please let it be the latter.
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Post by Ramplate on Nov 14, 2017 9:15:15 GMT -5
The Evil of Angmar
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Post by Deexan on Nov 23, 2017 19:51:10 GMT -5
I am excite... It turns out a “Lord of the Rings” TV series isn’t the biggest Tolkien news of the week or the month or the year. Christopher Tolkien, son and literary heir of J.R.R. Tolkien, resigned from the Tolkien Estate. And his departure changes everything. Christopher is 93 and just this year edited and published one of his father’s works “Beren and Luthien,” which as even casual Tolkienites know, refers to his parents with the names of those characters adorning their tombstones. In the preface of the book he writes, “this is (preemptively) my last book in the long series of editions of my father’s writings.” It seems he was planning to retire already. Personally, learning the greatest Tolkien scholar, and a man who has honoured his father in an exemplary way, has left the care of his father’s legacy to others feels like reading the end of LOTR where Galadriel, Elrond and the other great elves leave Middle-earth. There is a keen sadness, but admiration and beauty as well. But even if you aren’t sentimental, he deserves any Tolkien fan’s deep respect. But it bears repeating, this changes everything. The news reached me by friend Michael Martinez via Twitter on his blog. Martinez has an exceptional mind for Tolkien. He understood perfectly that Christopher R. Tolkien’s departure signals the end of an era. “With Christopher’s departure as an officer of the Tolkien Estate (which was incorporated in 2011), the long-awaited “rights frenzy” for Tolkien properties may soon begin,” he wrote. Yes, and it seemingly has already happened. This is a definite piece of the puzzle of the recent news of the Amazon Video deal. I had heard through rock solid, but not reportable sources several years ago that other members of the estate were much more willing to negotiate J.R.R. Tolkien’s properties while Christopher was far more interested in preserving legacy than money. The settlement between Warner Bros. and the Tolkien Estate settled an $80 million lawsuit July 3. Part of the statement the studio released at the time was unusually upbeat for an entity that just paid out big money: “The parties are pleased that they have amicably resolved this matter and look forward to working together in the future.”
The future mentioned in that statement is this week and beyond, and it was obviously in the works then. According to a U.K. government website, Christopher resigned on Aug. 31. One would expect formal resignations of this nature take time to manage legally, so it also was in the works for some time I suspect. What I wouldn’t give to have been in the room for that passing of the torch. So in quick fashion, after the seismic change, the estate has sold the television rights for book “The Lord of the Rings.” Warners paid the court dispute so there would be a relationship moving forward and Amazon’s Jeff Bezos rewarded both entities handsomely. Another important thing to note here, and another piece of the puzzle, is that the television rights to “The Hobbit” and “Lord of the Rings” were NOT sold when J.R.R. Tolkien sold the movie rights in 1969. Those rights were for motion pictures. TORn staffer and author Kristin Thompson informed our staff about this. She has first-hand documentation and as author of “The Frodo Franchise,” knows this stuff as well as anybody. And obviously you can and should buy her book on Amazon.com. I believe another TORn news article is expected on just this point. This explains why the estate was so involved in the Amazon deal; they were selling something. It also explains why Middle-earth Enterprises was absent from the latest news. (Correction: This originally said Tolkien Enterprises, a name previously used that is not correct. The story has been updated.) But the bigger ramifications of all this are far greater than a multi-season Amazon series. The new leadership of the estate seem much more willing to deal Tolkien properties than Christopher was and this confirms my well placed sources. This opens up Tolkien and Middle-earth as possible franchises in the same way that Harry Potter’s world is a place you can visit at Universal Studios or that Disney will soon have a Star Wars area. There are few properties in the world that can be talked about in the same way as Middle-earth. Warner Bros. see the value and so does Amazon. That doesn’t mean the Tolkien Estate will move toward making the rights to “Beren And Luthien” available but it does mean my wish to produce “The Silmarillion” as HBO series is slightly less impossible than it was before. That is what has changed really. Things once impossible are now possible. The estate may elect to only allow more content based solely on “The Hobbit” and “The Lord of the Rings.” Or they may carefully cultivate the entire library. Because of the depth of J.R.R. Tolkien’s legendarium, there is a virtually endless fountain of material. As Martinez points out in his blog, what will be produced is essentially fan fiction. As Disney has expanded the Galaxy far-far away, and HBO is planning its growth of George R.R. Martin’s Westeros world, so too could Amazon and Warner Bros expand Middle-earth. Much of that possibility rests with the estate but just Appendix A in “The Lord of the Rings” offers a wealth of content. The imagination soars with possibilities. This will no doubt anger many fans and delight many others, as the Amazon deal already has. Some don’t want to see the compromise of the author’s vision. Funny enough, this also seems to have a whole new batch of fans upset because they don’t want Amazon’s product to compromise Peter Jackson’s vision of Tolkien’s vision. The officers of the Tolkien Estate still count among their numbers Tolkien’s youngest child Priscilla Tolkien and other grandchildren in the family. This is over-long already but a final word on Christopher Tolkien’s departure. Here is a man who is a treasure, and who carries in his heart and mind the voice and essence of his father. The significance of his departure cannot be over stated. I close with another poignant passage he wrote about his father in the preface of his final contribution to the Tolkien legacy, “Beren and Luthien.” “In a letter to me on the subject of my mother, written in the year after her death, which was also the year before his own, he wrote of his overwhelming sense of bereavement, and of his wish to have Luthien inscribed beneath her name on the grave. He returned in that letter … to the origin of the tale of Beren and Luthien in a small woodland glade filled with hemlock flowers near Roos in Yorkshire, where she danced; and he said: ‘But the story has gone crooked, and I am left, and I cannot plead before the inexorable Mandos.’ www.theonering.net/torwp/2017/11/15/104426-in-historic-move-christopher-tolkien-resigns-as-director-of-tolkien-estate/ ---- That passage hit me right in the feels. Beyond that, this opens The Silmarillion up for adaptation, ideally from day one before the beginning of time and space. Because that kind of thing is always easy to visualise.
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Post by Deexan on May 16, 2018 18:31:30 GMT -5
The series (or the initial season, at least) will revolve around a young Aragorn.
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Post by Deexan on Jul 10, 2019 6:13:00 GMT -5
The series (or the initial season, at least) will revolve around a young Aragorn. This is incorrect. The first season, at least, will be set in the second age, and presumably revolve around Aragorn's ancestors and the forging of the Rings of Power, at a time when Sauron could still assume a beautiful form (in the guise of Annatar).
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Post by frankyt on Jul 10, 2019 7:34:51 GMT -5
What no hobbits?
Count me out.
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Post by Deexan on Jul 10, 2019 15:11:12 GMT -5
What no hobbits? Count me out. Hobbits didnt exist in the second age. C'mon man.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 10, 2019 16:15:53 GMT -5
I think it's a good move. It's kind of a fool's errand to straight up just remake/reboot The Lord of the Rings right off the bat. Dip into The Silmarillion or other lore, even do an Aragorn spin-off or whatever and then down the line tackle Lord of the Rings. We've seen that story told exceptionally well by Peter Jackson, let's see some of Tolkien's other works on screen instead.
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Post by Deexan on Jul 10, 2019 18:01:12 GMT -5
The tolkien estate own the rights to the silmarillion and wont sell them. So no Beren and Luthien or Turin Turambar any time soon sadly.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 15, 2019 12:18:10 GMT -5
Ah interesting. For some reason I was under the impression that Amazon had acquired all things Middle-Earth.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 15, 2019 14:42:16 GMT -5
The tolkien estate own the rights to the silmarillion and wont sell them. So no Beren and Luthien or Turin Turambar any time soon sadly. Are they really going to be able to do those justice?
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Post by Deexan on Jul 15, 2019 15:58:11 GMT -5
I'm dubious they can do anything justice with only the appendices from LOTR to go on. 99.99% of the dialogue will be non-Tolkien, so they're on the back foot from the get-go.
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 15, 2019 16:14:50 GMT -5
Amazon has done a better job with it's TV Shows than Netflix.
I love Marvelous Mrs. Maisel and Good Omens.
I think this has a good chance of at least being decent.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 15, 2019 16:28:26 GMT -5
I'm dubious they can do anything justice with only the appendices from LOTR to go on. 99.99% of the dialogue will be non-Tolkien, so they're on the back foot from the get-go. What I mean is that I don't think the mythic qualities of the Silmarillion stories can be filmed. It will automatically lessen their power, and I don't see a way around that. These stories work as legends within the larger context of Tolkien's world. They are tangential almost by nature. In order to get across the right tone, you would need a filmmaker of the highest quality working at the height of their abilities.
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Post by Deexan on Jul 15, 2019 16:35:35 GMT -5
I'm dubious they can do anything justice with only the appendices from LOTR to go on. 99.99% of the dialogue will be non-Tolkien, so they're on the back foot from the get-go. What I mean is that I don't think the mythic qualities of the Silmarillion stories can be filmed. It will automatically lessen their power, and I don't see a way around that. These stories work as legends within the larger context of Tolkien's world. They are tangential almost by nature. In order to get across the right tone, you would need a filmmaker of the highest quality working at the height of their abilities. I agree with you in principle, but, with the money involved, I think they could be done justice with the very best cast and crew. I'd actually be more comfortable with a Silmarillion series, as extended novels based on The Children of Hurin, Beren and Luthien, and The Fall of Gondolin have all been released in recent years, so they'd have a literary base and level of dialogue that simply doesn't exist in relation to the era that the new show will be covering.
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Post by Deexan on Jul 15, 2019 16:38:15 GMT -5
Amazon has done a better job with it's TV Shows than Netflix. I love Marvelous Mrs. Maisel and Good Omens. I think this has a good chance of at least being decent. I agree that it'll be good at the very least, and Amazon can rely on my monthly subscription when it airs, but they're aiming for GoT levels of quality/popularity without having the same extent of literature to base it on. I'm keeping my expectations tempered.
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Post by Deexan on Jul 22, 2019 16:51:06 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Deexan on Jul 27, 2019 12:13:55 GMT -5
Promising.
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Post by Deexan on Aug 5, 2019 8:23:15 GMT -5
Good interview with Tom Shippey, arguably the world's leading Tolkien scholar, who's consulting on the show: www.tolkiengesellschaft.de/30918/exklusive-interview-with-tom-shippey-concerning-lotronprime/Key takeaways: - Second Age only; Amazon don't have the rights to the First Age (Silmarillion era; owned by the Tolkien Estate) or the Third Age (Hobbit/LOTR era; owned by Middle-earth Enterprises) - As there is so little of Tolkien's writing dedicated to this era, Amazon have the freedom to invent people, places and events as long as they remain within the confines of the canon we do have from the SA - The Tolkien Estate have the power to veto ideas if they don't feel them apt - Should air in 2021 - First season will have 20 episodes It feels to me like Sauron could well be the character that the entire series revolves around, as opposed to the shadowy background figure he was in the LotR movies. Which would be an interesting take.
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