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Post by Dhamon22 on Jun 11, 2017 9:07:34 GMT -5
You may roll your eyes at yet another post-apocalyptic zombie-esque virus movie but this one stands out. Its a slow burn but the film making had me invested early and tense throughout. Coming off of the great family drama 'Krisha' Trey Edward Schults has made his case as a director to watch moving forward. Great performances, great atmosphere. Basically the best episode of The Walking Dead ever made. If that show was more like this I'd actually enjoy it.
This must have a low cinema score because everyone was shitting on it walking out of the theater but I thought it was great.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 11, 2017 11:15:33 GMT -5
Supposedly, this movie is garbage. Got a D Cinemascore. But Dracula and PG Cooper are gonna jerk off to it so it'll be well-regarded in the CS! community.
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Post by Dhamon22 on Jun 11, 2017 11:36:22 GMT -5
Not surprising. I'd give both this and Get Out an 8.5 but prefer this. Get Out is a crowd pleaser, this is not. It's 'The Witch' of 2017.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jun 11, 2017 14:07:56 GMT -5
Supposedly, this movie is garbage. Got a D Cinemascore. Cinemascore is garbage.
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Post by daniel on Jun 11, 2017 14:09:37 GMT -5
It was intentionally mis-marketed, much like The Witch. It's going to piss off audiences and drop revenue fast after week 1, but there will be a group of folks who will enjoy the movie for what it is and give it the marks it probably deserves.
I won't reward this movie with a ticket purchase, though. This is the film equivalent of bait-and-switch, and I think it's a cheap ploy to try garner more money at the box office than the film would get if it represented itself honestly. The fact the filmmakers know this and do it purposely is what has me clapping back at them with my wallet.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 11, 2017 14:16:41 GMT -5
It was intentionally mis-marketed, much like The Witch. It's going to piss off audiences and drop revenue fast after week 1, but there will be a group of folks who will enjoy the movie for what it is and give it the marks it probably deserves. I won't reward this movie with a ticket purchase, though. This is the film equivalent of bait-and-switch, and I think it's a cheap ploy to try garner more money at the box office than the film would get if it represented itself honestly. The fact the filmmakers know this and do it purposely is what has me clapping back at them with my wallet. Amen, brother.
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Post by Fanible on Jun 11, 2017 14:32:24 GMT -5
"Nothing Comes at Night"
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Post by Dracula on Jun 11, 2017 14:44:27 GMT -5
Supposedly, this movie is garbage. Got a D Cinemascore. Cinemascore is garbage. Cinemascore is a silly service which serves no purpose other than to validate the views of people who don't know what they're talking about. Giving it value is like taking the word of an opinion poll to determine climate change policies rather than a panel of science professors.
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Post by Dhamon22 on Jun 11, 2017 20:52:05 GMT -5
It was intentionally mis-marketed, much like The Witch. It's going to piss off audiences and drop revenue fast after week 1, but there will be a group of folks who will enjoy the movie for what it is and give it the marks it probably deserves. I won't reward this movie with a ticket purchase, though. This is the film equivalent of bait-and-switch, and I think it's a cheap ploy to try garner more money at the box office than the film would get if it represented itself honestly. The fact the filmmakers know this and do it purposely is what has me clapping back at them with my wallet. Are the filmmakers in charge of the marketing and trailers for their films? Honest question, I was under the impression that was handled by a separate entity. I agree thats what the studio was going for. Doesn't look like it worked, only $6 million opening weekend.
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Post by daniel on Jun 12, 2017 1:11:24 GMT -5
It was intentionally mis-marketed, much like The Witch. It's going to piss off audiences and drop revenue fast after week 1, but there will be a group of folks who will enjoy the movie for what it is and give it the marks it probably deserves. I won't reward this movie with a ticket purchase, though. This is the film equivalent of bait-and-switch, and I think it's a cheap ploy to try garner more money at the box office than the film would get if it represented itself honestly. The fact the filmmakers know this and do it purposely is what has me clapping back at them with my wallet. Are the filmmakers in charge of the marketing and trailers for their films? Honest question, I was under the impression that was handled by a separate entity. I agree thats what the studio was going for. Doesn't look like it worked, only $6 million opening weekend. Not really sure - I would be really surprised to hear that the filmmakers didn't contribute to or sign off on the marketing. At the very least, they could have interceded after that first teaser and said "Whoa whoa whoa, let's not make everyone think they're in for a super scary monster film, let's make sure they know what they're getting here." Anyway, I haven't seen the film, but someone I know went to a screening a bit back and they told me the whole synopsis because The VVitch has me pretty skeptical about these kinds of films now. $6 million is probably more than what they would have made without the marketing. I could be wrong. I hope I'm not, I hope word got out enough that audiences stayed far far away from this and $6mil is as good as it was going to get either way. Say what you will about The VVitch's quality, it grossly misrepresented itself and really did a great disservice to A24 by pissing off audiences and hurting the studio's creditability. I would be curious about doing some kind of research to see if that had an effect on this release. Anyway, this movie has done yet another hit of credibility to A24. They need to do some PR cleanup, because a few critics and niche audiences praising the content is going to be heavily outweighed by the average moviegoer who felt duped and isn't going to likely see A24 movies anymore.
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Post by Dracula on Jun 12, 2017 1:43:11 GMT -5
Certain powerful directors like David Fincher have some control over advertising, but for the most part they are entirely at the mercy of the studio's marketing department. In fact, pretty much anytime you hear complaints about scenes in trailers that aren't in the final movie it's usually because the marketing department is rummaging through raw footage before the final cut has even been made.
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Post by Seakazoo on Jun 12, 2017 14:16:26 GMT -5
I'm convinced this takes place is the same universe as Into the Forest. Fuck that movie, and fuck this movie. Nothing happens. People laughed in the theater and I heard many grumblings of "that's it?" Maybe the movie is too smart for me, maybe I'm finally at the point in life where I just don't 'get it'.
It's well directed, and there are moments of tension, but for what?
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Post by sabin26 on Jun 13, 2017 12:36:48 GMT -5
I don't need my hand held through a movie for me to understand what the threat is, the disease and trusting others, but when you don't even give me a reason or show me why they are a threat then how am I supposed to feel they are a threat. I get it we are needing to be afraid of the unknown and only know what the characters know, but when they still know more than me how am I going to relate. Andrew was boring and mildly creepy with some of his actions, but I was bored of him pretty quickly. Yes the trailer definitely gave you a different movie, something with real suspense and fear. This did none of that for me.
I can really enjoy a good horror/suspense movie that makes you think and leaves things up to your imagination...but this wasn't it. You still have to give us something to lead to that.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 13, 2017 20:19:52 GMT -5
Total waste of time. I probably would have found Baywatch to be more entertaining. How is this POS making more money than the last A24 movie to be released, Free Fire? That was a genuinely good film, and deserved better than being thrown against FF8. If Free Fire had been released this past weekend instead, it certainly would have performed better than It Comes At Night.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 14, 2017 23:42:01 GMT -5
Cinemascore is a silly service which serves no purpose other than to validate the views of people who don't know what they're talking about. Giving it value is like taking the word of an opinion poll to determine climate change policies rather than a panel of science professors. Gonna defend Cinemascore here. The audience reaction for this movie is atrocious. I had to do my own in-person survey for work and not one single person liked this movie. Consensus is: slow build up to stupid ending.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jun 16, 2017 0:08:21 GMT -5
One of cinema's emerging young talents that has critics swooning over him is Trey Edward Shults, a self-taught filmmaker who debuted with the critically acclaimed Krisha which netted him a two picture deal from superb studio A24. His next feature, It Comes at Night, was one that really piqued my interest; a post-apocalyptic film in the hands of a capable director is exciting and Shults is not the director who eschews thematic structure and layered character developments for cheap thrills or gimmicks. That being said, I went into this film wanting to love it, expecting to love it, and I just can't help but feel like the film just doesn't give enough. This is a film that will divide the hell out of people, and I'm not just talking about the general movie goer. Many friends of mine that work in the industry absolutely detested this film, some even going as far to dub it one of the worst films they've ever seen. I kept laughing to myself that last year's The Witch pissed off a bunch of people, and yet that film had a lot more to offer than this one in regards to payoff and plot, so I'm not surprised at all to read the wave of negativity that this film is receiving despite the very positive reception from critics. I listened to a great Scriptnotes episode some months ago that discussed the difference in screenplays between mystery and confusion. While we want to keep the audience guessing and not spell every detail out for them, we also need to provide them with enough to actually warrant a feasible response from them and can't just leave them in the dark on elements of the film simply because it's very confusing. It Comes at Night doesn't so much as fall into confusion, but in regards to its ambiguity it just doesn't give us enough to grapple with in general. It's a movie that's keen on showing nothing and harping its underlying themes of paranoia and fear with subtlety, though the film doesn't have a lot to actually wrestle with that points to it having more complex themes than what I just mentioned. Still, there are some definite positives to the film, and while I feel it's certainly frustrating I don't believe that it can be entirely written off.
The story revolves around a family of three living in a large house deep in the woods. There's a virus that's apparently wiped out a lot of the general population, or at least that's what we're to assume since really there's nothing about the plague or whatever is that's delved into. Later, another family of three come to live with them, and while everything appears to be working in perfect harmony, the vulnerability of fear emerges to shake this up. We don't get much insight into the characters, though we do spend most of our time with Paul (Joel Edgerton), the patriarch of the family that's very serious about everything he does and his son Travis (Kelvin Harrison, Jr.) who is plagued by nightmares and lusts for Will's (Christopher Abbott) wife (Riley Keough). The rest of the characters we only get small moments with, but fortunately Paul and Travis turn out to be interesting characters. Paul is headstrong but smart, and he displays a ruthless tenacity for imposing his rules and views on everyone else. Edgerton is excellent in the role, and he does a great job of showcasing Paul's many flaws through his domineering actions over the others. Paul is plagued by fear despite being the alpha male, and his unwillingness to trust anyone due to his firm belief that doing so leaves you vulnerable makes him the most dangerous of them all despite his rigid set of rules and cautions. Travis spies on everyone else in the house with a lonely and hormonal curiosity, and it becomes clear that his flaws are his lust and his loneliness. While we don't get a lot of insight and not a whole lot to work with aside from their surface traits, Shults does a nice job of depicting these flaws with a surprising subtlety.
While I'm not yet convinced in Shults' writing abilities, there's no denying that he has a great visual eye. He has these really nice oners through the long hallways of the large house and combines them with shifts in the aspect ratio that mess with the viewer's perception and also metaphorically represents the psyches of the people in the house. Yes, this is pure cinephile gushing here that isn't going to alter the minds of people upset with the plot, but again Shults is clearly a very insightful and talented filmmaker with a true knack for the medium, making this film impossible to outright dismiss. But the focus will, as it should be, remain on the plot, or the lack thereof if you will. The marketing for the film showed it to be a horror movie and depicted some imagery that would back that, but all of that comes from Travis' dream sequences which does sort of cheapen everything. The film does have some excellent moments of tension though, especially the final twenty minutes which culminates after the door to the home is left open. Who opened it? Was it Travis? Was it someone else? Is there an "it" out in the woods? What did Travis see in the woods that frightened him? These are all questions that have no answer to and really nothing to grab onto to attempt to explain them, though I surmise that there is of course an answer buried somewhere in the film. In the end though "it" is probably more of themes such as the aforementioned fear of entropy and others that Paul exhibits or the lust and jealousy and paranoia that Travis displays. Again, there are probably much deeper themes than those going on in this film, but without much more to grab onto plot and character wise in the film, it's hard to make declarations that there is more there. I don't have an issue with the "it" not being a bunch of creatures in the woods, or that the film bathes in ambiguity for the duration of the film, but I did want more from the movie. I was absorbed into the world the film takes place in and the setup of the house and the door and the family staying with them, but it only goes so far. And that to me is the most disappointing element of this film. There is great potential here to be one of the best horror/thriller films ever, but I don't have anything to latch onto to deem it so. It Comes at Night is a case of brilliant filmmaking for an aesthetically-based assessment of how to make a film like this, but unfortunately the film's plot doesn't push itself enough to deserve revisits in the future. Or maybe Shults is just the smartest guy in the room and we're missing something. But then again, maybe this film is exactly what it is, which in my opinion is a good film with definite merits, but ultimately not enough to explore new angles with similar themes in the post-apocalyptic genre.
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Post by Dracula on Jun 23, 2017 12:25:27 GMT -5
It Comes at Night(6/18/2017)
The main media story surrounding the new movie It Comes At Night has not been related to its themes or technique so much as the divide it’s caused between critics and audiences, who are divided as to its worth. This divide has been quantified in two separate metrics: its 86% score on the review aggregator site RottenTomatoes and the score of “D” that it reportedly got from the audience poll called CinemaScore. For those who don’t know, CenemaScore is a poll conducted by a professional firm which asks audiences at certain demographically selected public screenings during the opening weekend for films in order to report audience reaction back to studios. Now, if you’re a moneyman I can see why such a poll would be useful, but anyone else should take these scores with a strong grain of salt as they by their nature accept the input of the uninformed amateur rather than the input of people with any actual expertise about what they’re talking about. RottenTomatoes has its own problems but it’s certainly a more valuable resource in much the way the opinion of an actual scientist would be more useful in forming climate change policy than the opinion of a Gallup poll of the general public. Another problem with CinemaScore is that it is heavily influenced by audience expectations and tends to especially punish movies that offer audiences movies that are perhaps a bit more challenging and unique than what their advertising initially leads them to expect. Personally, I’ve always been an advocate of seeing movies with as few expectations as possible and with It Comes At Night I lived up to that more than on most movies. I don’t remember ever seeing a trailer for it and outside of hearing some of the “critics vs. audiences” story in the ether didn’t really know much about it at all before giving it a look. As it turns out, the film is set in some not too distant future after some apocalyptic virus has killed a large portion of the population. At the film’s center is a nuclear family that’s been living in a boarded up and fortified house consisting of a father named Paul (Joel Edgerton), a wife named Sarah (Carmen Ejogo), and a son named Travis (Kelvin Harrison Jr.) and until recently they’d also been living with Sarah’s father Bud (David Pendleton) but as the film begins he has somehow contracted the virus and is put out of his misery before he can spread the virus and take on whatever awful side effects it brings with it. Throughout its run time the film is always vague about exactly what the nature of the virus is and there’s also some suggestion that there’s some separate element to it, some supernatural force that exists outside of the house which has some relation to the virus that’s never really explained. The main action of the film begins when someone attempts to enter the family’s house one night and is quickly subdued and captured by the family. Upon interrogation its learned that this man is named Will (Christopher Abbott) and that he was only going through the house because he thought it was abandoned and he’s looking for clean water to bring to his wife Kim (Riley Keough) and meant no harm. Paul and Sarah are not sure whether to trust him but they see some opportunity in working with these other people so Paul embarks on a trip to investigate these other people.
It Comes at Night is ostensibly a horror movie and does play with the tropes of that genre at time, but it is perhaps more accurate to view it as a sort of procedural about post-apocalyptic survival. There’s been a lot of pop culture recently about fathers going on road trips with their kids across the American landscape after similar cataclysms, which tends to allow the audience to both experience the drama of a survival scenario and also get a glimpse at what the ravaged landscape looks like with civilization collapsed. It Comes at Night shows a similar scenario except that the parents here have opted for more of a “hunker down” rather than “stay mobile” approach to survival. In those road trip movies the challenges usually come in the form of chance encounters at every given bend, and there’s a little bit of that here, but the bigger threats are more internal and rooted in the family’s own paranoia. In this sense the film is perhaps analogous to another recent indie-horror classic The Witch, which also focused on a family removed from society and seemingly being torn apart by an outside force sowing seeds of suspicion and doubt among everyone involved.
The film was directed by a guy named Trey Edward Shults, a young director who made his feature debut last year with a micro-budget independent film called Krisha about a family reunion that goes very poorly. I wasn’t that movie’s biggest fan but I could see that there was a pretty thoughtful and interesting director behind it and was interested to see what he’d be able to do with a slightly larger budget. With It Comes at Night Shults has realized a lot of that potential. The film does a great job of establishing some of the minutia of what life in this house compound and how the family has managed to make something of a workable life for themselves in all the chaos while also underscoring the dangers their constantly facing. The movie also makes a very good use of mystery and is very wise to never really come out and explain whether there’s an outside force at work here aside from the virus and the human scavengers who may be outside and its refusal to define this force helps to add a lot of tension to the film. As the movie goes on and becomes more and more a film about paranoia and the psychological tension between the characters Shults does a good job of utilizing the layout of this house and makes it feel less and less like a cozy bunker and more like a prison where violence is about to break out.
The film is not completely without its faults of course. I probably could have done without the games that Shults occasionally plays with the film’s aspect ratio and while I liked the film’s somewhat abrupt ending in principle I can see why some people wouldn’t like it and feel like there could have been ways to punch it up just a little. And that I suppose brings be back to those audience members whose input led the film to receive that “D” CinemaScore. In many ways I feel like that score has less to do with the actual movie and more to do with the audience members’ expectations and how they were set partly by the film’s marketing (which is maybe a little misleading but not egregiously so) but in a bigger way were set by the wider modern horror landscape and their inability to see beyond it. I went into the movie with expectations of my own, which were mostly formed by hearing these stories of a critical/audience divide and was in many ways expecting something even more avant-garde than what I got. The movie is in fact, a fairly straightforward exercise from my perspective and it’s only “weird” or “slow” insomuch as it does not play out exactly like a sequel to The Conjuring or Insidious. I can see why people who went to the movie expecting something that played out like a more formulaic Hollywood film might have been a little surprised by it, but I would argue that this is less the fault of the movie and more the fault of their own closedmindedness and we as a film culture should not allow such narrow definitions of what constitutes a horror movie or any other kind of movie to be the only thing audiences are willing to accept. **** out of Five
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Post by PG Cooper on Jun 27, 2017 9:25:34 GMT -5
I've been moving away from full-length reviews as I've shifted my attention towards video essays, but I did write a bit for It Comes at Night. It Comes at Night has arrived to an interestingly mixed response. Critics are on-board entirely, but audiences are much more harsh and feel betrayed by marketing which sold them a more conventional horror movie. Even more so than last year's The Witch, more general audiences seem to really hate this movie...and I don't really know why. Well, I guess I do know. The movie is a lot slower than a modern Hollywood product, it leaves more mysteries left open than a lot of movies would, and the film's ending does hit in a very abrupt way, but at the same time this is a very straightforward story that should be easy to engage with. Set in a not too distant future where some sort of disease has humanity and shambles and following a small family living in the woods, the film is really just a grounded look at survival in desperate times and the hard choices which come with it. The film's third act in particular really dwells on some tough choices which don't have easy answers. It's odd to me that in a world where The Walking Dead is one of the most popular shows on television, a movie which is essentially an extended look at a situation which could well arise on that show would cause such anger in general audiences. Of course, the execution of It Comes at Night is far more low-key than something like The Walking Dead. Writer/director Trey Edward Shults focuses more on the routine the central family has created for itself and the slow psychological effect the situation is having on the teenage son. The emphasis is not on set-pieces, and the ones that do emerge are awkward and sloppily in that realist way. These set-pieces are highly tense by the way and that realist undercurrent is tangibly felt. Shults also focuses almost solely on our main characters, but that actually adds to the horror. Not knowing exactly what's happening in the outside world makes the situation all the more scary and the ensuing troubles the group faces all the more suspenseful. So yeah, to the surprise of no one, I'm pretty firmly on board with the critics on this one. I could have used more character development, especially for Carmen Ejogo's Sarah, though her performance, along with those from Joel Edgerton and Kelvin Harrison Jr. are quite good. The film maybe also relies on some creepy dream sequences a bit more than it should, but all told this is a remarkably effective bit of horror cinema. It's a tense affair which goes off-book and leaves the audience thinking about some difficult choices long after the credits have rolled. A-So yeah Neverending, I guess your first comment was right.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 22, 2017 0:35:12 GMT -5
Just saw this tonight, and my initial impression is that I have to side with both PG Cooper and Dracula on this one; I loved it. If you're someone who didn't like it, I get it, but I guess going in with proper expectations helped, cause I basically ate all of this up and it just kept getting stronger as it went along. I'll post some fuller thoughts in the 31 Day of Halloween thread soon, but I appreciated the hell out of this movie, especially in terms of its craft.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 22, 2017 1:46:23 GMT -5
Just saw this tonight, and my initial impression is that I have to side with both PG Cooper and Dracula on this one; I loved it. If you're someone who didn't like it, I get it, but I guess going in with proper expectations helped, cause I basically ate all of this up and it just kept getting stronger as it went along. I'll post some fuller thoughts in the 31 Day of Halloween thread soon, but I appreciated the hell out of this movie, especially in terms of its craft. Next you gonna tell me pigs can fly.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 22, 2017 11:53:47 GMT -5
Just saw this tonight, and my initial impression is that I have to side with both PG Cooper and Dracula on this one; I loved it. If you're someone who didn't like it, I get it, but I guess going in with proper expectations helped, cause I basically ate all of this up and it just kept getting stronger as it went along. I'll post some fuller thoughts in the 31 Day of Halloween thread soon, but I appreciated the hell out of this movie, especially in terms of its craft. Next you gonna tell me pigs can fly. Oink oink.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 22, 2017 17:13:42 GMT -5
Next you gonna tell me pigs can fly. Oink oink.
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Post by frankyt on Oct 23, 2017 18:29:21 GMT -5
I mean... It stinks.
It was competently made and tension wasn't awful... Just wasn't very compelling.
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Post by Deexan on Oct 23, 2017 18:38:45 GMT -5
So many conflicting opinions...
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 23, 2017 18:48:47 GMT -5
I thought it was compelling as hell. It built to a climax so intense I could barely breathe.
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