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Post by SnoBorderZero on Feb 23, 2015 15:41:00 GMT -5
Haha, the dude deserved a partial Oscar for all the times his name was dropped on-stage.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 23, 2015 16:13:53 GMT -5
Can't complain about the overall selections (other than of course Keaton getting snubbed BIG TIME) but I'm still reflecting on the poor nominations over all. No "The Lego Movie" for Best Animated was a fail, no "Gone Girl" or "Nightcrawler" for Best Picture was a huge fail and as Neverending pointed out a big miss to corral some more intrigue from a viewer standpoint ("Gone Girl" was a big hit and "Nightcrawler" continues to gain ground from great word of mouth) and "Selma" should've garnered more nods as well. But I can't say I was upset over the picks other than Best Actor, and if anything it proved that I really need to see "Whiplash" when Netflix gets it. Don't forget Interstellar.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 23, 2015 16:26:31 GMT -5
DraculaLast night's Oscars were the lowest rated in 7 years. The last time the Oscars had ratings this low was when people were pissed off because The Dark Knight and Wall-E didn't get Best Picture nominations. And we all remember what happened after that backlash. Expect some changes next year.
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 23, 2015 16:32:03 GMT -5
Next year we'll see at least 14 black people nominated for acting Oscars.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 23, 2015 16:39:55 GMT -5
Next year we'll see at least 14 black people nominated for acting Oscars. Nah. We'll probably see the first Marvel movie get nominated for Best Picture.
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Post by Jibbs on Feb 23, 2015 18:35:02 GMT -5
And which one would that be?
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Post by frankyt on Feb 23, 2015 18:54:58 GMT -5
Ant Man. Clearly.
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Post by frankyt on Feb 23, 2015 18:56:13 GMT -5
We get it Wes... You're weird. Please clap normally.
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Post by Dracula on Feb 23, 2015 19:09:59 GMT -5
I think NPH did fine. He wasn't controversial, had a couple of okay jokes and was more or less forgettable which is probably the best they can hope for. Keep in mind that 'host of the Oscars' is the most thankless job in America. If you're boring, you stink. If you try to be edgy, you're offensive. If you're an older comic then the Academy is 'out of touch.' There's really no way people can win in the Oscar hosting game. I mostly agree, almost all of the problems with his hosting clearly should be laid at the feet of his writers, though to be fair if he had been a comedian he could have picked up the slack for them. Gravity > 12 Years a Slave Disagree. Gravity's a fun ride but it didn't hit me nearly as hard as 12 Years a Slave did. I agree with Neverending, Gravity is superior. I'm with Coop. Gravity is great mainly for its style, but 12 Years a Slave has a lot more meat on its bones.
I'm also with him on Birdman deservedly winning Best Picture. If you had asked me a few weeks ago, I would've said Boyhood, but in the time since re-watching that film, I still love it, but not quite in a "#1 film of the year" kind of way. Birdman, however, has just gone up and up in my mind upon reflection.
Weird, I just watched Birdman a couple of days ago and to be honest it kind of went down a bit in my estimation. Probably would have dropped a couple of slots in my top ten. Boyhood just seems better and better the more I think about it. I think NPH did fine. He wasn't controversial, had a couple of okay jokes and was more or less forgettable which is probably the best they can hope for. Keep in mind that 'host of the Oscars' is the most thankless job in America. If you're boring, you stink. If you try to be edgy, you're offensive. If you're an older comic then the Academy is 'out of touch.' There's really no way people can win in the Oscar hosting game. I wouldn't take the Internet too seriously in this matter. Everyone loved Billy Crystal back in the 1990's. And before then, Bob Hope and Johnny Carson were popular hosts as well. I think it's commonly accepted that Chris Rock is the best Oscar host in the Internet era. But he pissed off people and was never asked back. You can't treat the Oscars like an MTV award. That was his mistake. A lot of people would argue in favor of the Hugh Jackman year, but a lot of the success of that one had more to do with the producers than the host. Can't complain about the overall selections (other than of course Keaton getting snubbed BIG TIME) but I'm still reflecting on the poor nominations over all. No "The Lego Movie" for Best Animated was a fail, no "Gone Girl" or "Nightcrawler" for Best Picture was a huge fail and as Neverending pointed out a big miss to corral some more intrigue from a viewer standpoint ("Gone Girl" was a big hit and "Nightcrawler" continues to gain ground from great word of mouth) and "Selma" should've garnered more nods as well. But I can't say I was upset over the picks other than Best Actor, and if anything it proved that I really need to see "Whiplash" when Netflix gets it. Was Nightcrawler really that popular? People are namedropping it like it was a populist choice but in spite of its wide release but it didn't really make that much money. Six of the eight BP nominees made more money at the box office. DraculaLast night's Oscars were the lowest rated in 7 years. The last time the Oscars had ratings this low was when people were pissed off because The Dark Knight and Wall-E didn't get Best Picture nominations. And we all remember what happened after that backlash. Expect some changes next year. The voters don't give a fuck. They try to corral them in certain directions with rule changes but it doesn't really matter, they still like what they like and that isn't changing.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 23, 2015 19:24:43 GMT -5
And which one would that be? The Avengers: Age of Ultron
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 19:42:31 GMT -5
Sean Penn is either an asshole or an idiot, maybe even both.
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Post by daniel on Feb 23, 2015 22:46:03 GMT -5
Rich white people commenting on the inequality of wages.
Sean Penn making a joke about his Mexican friend.
Yep, the internets went crazy.
I didn't participate in these this year. I am beyond disgusted at the nominations and winners. So many great films snubbed. Where the fuck was a nod for Gyllenhaal? American Sniper was OK. Theory of Everything was OK. Imitation Game was OK. Foxcatcher was such tripe. Lego Movie? I don't need to beat that dead horse.
And they need to bring back that guy from the Oscars in 1978 who said "stop using this platform for your own propaganda and just fucking say 'thank you.'"
I understand, I get it: we need to just love and accept gays and blacks and latinos and women and minorities and suicide victims and people with diseases, but I don't need the preaching from the "I'm a privileged person counting my millions accepting an award for reciting lines better than the other guy/girl" awards. I'm starting to agree with my film major friend that maybe we need to stop giving the damn things out.
Celebrities and celebrity culture are really starting to rub me the wrong way. "Oh my god, these two people did this thing and we all need to gawk at it like something miraculous just happened" stories are the literal worst, e.g. "Jimmy Fallon and Some Famous Singer sang this song together, OMG." I'm gonna go sing a duet with my mom. No one will give a shit. No one should. It's pointless and not worth caring about.
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Post by daniel on Feb 23, 2015 22:49:10 GMT -5
Sean Penn is either an asshole or an idiot, maybe even both. I love it when some fucking celebrity held on some pedestal of humanitarian greatness is revealed to be just a normal person who says dumb shit sometimes, too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 8:33:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure who is putting him on a pedestal. Going on live television and making a racist joke is asking for trouble.
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Post by Deexan on Feb 24, 2015 8:43:49 GMT -5
What did he do?
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Post by FShuttari on Feb 24, 2015 11:35:39 GMT -5
He said " who gave this guy a green card" to the director of Birdman when they won best picture.
It was a joke and they are friends, but people are getting there panties in a twist... Nothing new.
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 24, 2015 11:58:48 GMT -5
Although what Penn said was pretty crude and what's worse not very funny, people are getting their panties in a twist over a ton of stuff with the show. People are mad that NPH pointed out Octavia Spencer for his ballot bit and say that he compared her to 'the help.' People think the joke that was made about 'the last Annie remake' was also racist. NPH's joke about balls pertaining to that woman's dress was 'shameful.' The thing is that all of these are non-issues. Everyone knows that there was nothing racist about what NPH did (unless you honestly think he was sitting in the back thinking 'how am I going to stick it to those blacks?'). There are 10,000 other things in the world that are more important. Unfortunately that's the age of the internet. It's the society we've created in that people complain about something, anything and we respond to it regardless of how ridiculous it is. Now people complain about anything that comes their way because it gives them a platform and makes them feel that they're on a higher moral plane. We have to stop because all it does is take the focus from the real issues that are worth our attention, not whether or not a joke could be somehow, some way twisted and misconstrued as something that could possibly be interpreted as racist.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 24, 2015 12:30:42 GMT -5
I honestly stopped caring. People bitch about silly stuff and I just ignore them. Taking attention away is the only way to stop this nonsense.
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Post by daniel on Feb 24, 2015 12:48:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately that's the age of the internet. It's the society we've created in that people complain about something, anything and we respond to it regardless of how ridiculous it is. Now people complain about anything that comes their way because it gives them a platform and makes them feel that they're on a higher moral plane. We have to stop because all it does is take the focus from the real issues that are worth our attention, not whether or not a joke could be somehow, some way twisted and misconstrued as something that could possibly be interpreted as racist. /soapbox Couldn't have said it better myself. There was so much pseudo-fuel shoveled into the mouths of social justice warriors everywhere. Still, the recipients of the awards need to stop grand-standing all their social justice issues on this platform. They are preaching to the choir, and the Awards are neither the time nor the place to let your heart bleed for millions of viewers who just want to watch film get awards. I also can't wait until Oprah just goes away. Meryl Streep, too. Doomsday, if you reddit, you should subscribe to /r/tumblrinaction. Lots of pseudo-rage there.
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Post by Seakazoo on Feb 24, 2015 15:02:16 GMT -5
r/tublerinaction has found a way to be pissed at Patricia Arquette. The mental gymnastics required to be angry at someone giving a shoutout to the same thing you support is just insane. Essentially their logic boils down to "shut your white ass up".
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Feb 24, 2015 15:07:40 GMT -5
I know I'm a page late, but did you guys all forget "On the Waterfront"!?
Top 10 1. The Godfather 2. Lawrence of Arabia 3. The Godfather Part II 4. Casablanca 5. On the Waterfront 6. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 7. The Apartment 8. The Bridge on the River Kwai 9. Annie Hall 10. 12 Years a Slave
This is kind off the top of my head, I want to make a definitive list of all 87 at some point, but it's so tough. I could've easily placed "All About Eve", "Amadeus", "Birdman", "Patton", "The French Connection", "Unforgiven", "The Silence of the Lambs", and "Schindler's List" on here too and the list would've been just as good. So tough! Dracula, didn't you rank these amongst all of us a few years ago and we have an averaged rankings of the Best Picture winners? That was really cool.
Now this is not tough, the biggest poops of them all from Worst to Least Worst.
1. The Greatest Show on Earth 2. The Broadway Melody of 1929 3. Cimarron 4. Cavalcade 5. Gigi 6. Around the World in 80 Days 7. Grand Hotel 8. Oliver! (Dumbest use of punctuation for a film title, ever) 9. An American in Paris 10. The Great Ziegfeld
Moral of the story: Beware the '30s! Worst decade by far!
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 24, 2015 17:18:41 GMT -5
Sno, your worst list would be pretty similar to mine.
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Post by Neverending on Feb 24, 2015 17:23:18 GMT -5
Doomsday Dracula SnoBorderZero Justin PG Cooper"Indie" Wire forgot what indie means. blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/analyze-this-why-birdman-beat-boyhood-more-2015-oscar-fallout-20150224LOL. What? All the Best Picture nominees were made or distributed by major studios. Birdman and The Grand Budapest Hotel were made by Fox. Boyhood was made by IFC, a big cable company. American Sniper was made by Warner Bros. The Imitation Game was distributed by The Weinstein Company. The Theory of Everything was distributed by Universal. Selma was produced by Oprah and Brad Pitt and distributed by Paramount. Whiplash was distributed by Sony. And all these studios spent MILLIONS in campaigns. The reason why the Oscars have become so ridiculous in recent years is because they're advertisments for smaller movies. In the old days, when tickets didn't cost $12 and there was no Internet and video games were "for kids", smaller movies actually made money. The Godfather was a box office sensation. Rain Man was a box office sensation. Forrest Gump was a box office sensation. In the old days, making money wasn't exclusive to blockbusters like Star Wars and Batman. So effort was made to actually honor good movies. And yes, I know, the Academy Awards have always made blunders. But that's for other reasons. The Oscars are Hollywood people giving awards to themselves. It's the equivalent of a high school election. If you're George Clooney, you're gonna win two Oscars. If you're Paul Giamatti, no one is gonna give a shit. That's just the way it is. The point is that the Academy isn't being generous to "indie" movies. None of these movies are indies. They're part of a corporation and they need to make money somehow. If winning an Oscar is gonna make people click "rent" on their iPhone, then so be it. Just to be clear.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 17:29:43 GMT -5
Indie means very little these days. Birdman is indie-wood, same with The Grand Budapest Hotel. In my opinion, it's always about the "spirit" of the film or filmmaker. That's what should constitute an indie film.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Feb 24, 2015 17:43:33 GMT -5
Sno, your worst list would be pretty similar to mine. I could never put myself through watching the top 5 on that list ever again. I remember when I started watching them in order and they didn't have "Wings" so I watched "The Broadway Melody of 1929" and I thought to myself, oh my god, I might have to rethink watching all of these. The '30s are rough, getting through all of those should earn you an award.
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