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Post by Neverending on May 26, 2017 18:30:32 GMT -5
PhantomKnight and I are the only ones who like these movies so don't be surprised by our reviews. I had loads of fun. Good humor. Decent action scenes. Jack Sparrow is still awesome. Girl from Skins is really good. The plot is that Jack & Elizabeth's son, now grown, goes searching for the trident of Poseidon so he can free his father from the Dutchman. He seeks the help of Jack, who's on the run from Javier Bardem, and Barbossa's daughter. "How did someone as ugly as you spawn someone as beautiful as her?" It's more Strangers Tide than "the trilogy" but it gives closure to "the trilogy" so a best of both worlds - I guess. All the characters you love but without the convolution.
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 26, 2017 22:11:40 GMT -5
Yeah. I had a really good time with this movie, too. Surprised? Of course you aren't.
It's definitely closer to On Stranger Tides than it is the first three, but it's still good. In fact, I'd rank it above On Stranger Tides. But it also proves just how valuable Gore Verbinski was to the first three. These new guys, Ronning and Sandberg (directors of Kon-Tiki), do a good job with the tone, pacing, characters, etc., but Verbinski had this style/flair in directing these movies that I still miss. But back to this movie. I liked the story and the continuing of plot threads from At World's End, particularly the mixing in of The Flying Dutchman's curse, plus the new characters -- Henry and Karyna -- were very likable and helped return this movie to that trio dynamic of the first three a little. I really don't know if they're planning a sixth or not, but I wouldn't be opposed to another movie with them in it. Javier Bardem was having a blast as Salazar and it came through in the performance. The action was loads of fun, and composer Geoff Zanelli filled in nicely for Hans Zimmer (listening to the score now, in fact). I also appreciated the bit of closure provided by the ending, and I gotta admit, it moved me a little bit cause I've become so attached to Jack, Will, Elizabeth and Barbossa.
So, yeah, I enjoyed it a lot. If this really is the end, it goes out on a fitting and satisfying note.
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Post by FShuttari on May 26, 2017 22:15:53 GMT -5
I really liked it too. We'll never get any of these movies to be as good or original as "the black pearl"
But this film was very entertaining. Action plots were very inventive, especially the opening scene with the vault and the island scene at the end.
I'm glad to see will tuner back and his story finishing off with his son and everything.
I actually felt a bit for barbosa with his storyline.
Overall much better sequel than the last few films. I recommend you guys checking it out
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Post by Neverending on May 26, 2017 22:32:22 GMT -5
Yeah. I had a really good time with this movie, too. Surprised? Of course you aren't. It's definitely closer to On Stranger Tides than it is the first three, but it's still good. In fact, I'd rank it above On Stranger Tides. But it also proves just how valuable Gore Verbinski was to the first three. These new guys, Ronning and Sandberg (directors of Kon-Tiki), do a good job with the tone, pacing, characters, etc., but Verbinski had this style/flair in directing these movies that I still miss. But back to this movie. I liked the story and the continuing of plot threads from At World's End, particularly the mixing in of The Flying Dutchman's curse, plus the new characters -- Henry and Karyna -- were very likable and helped return this movie to that trio dynamic of the first three a little. I really don't know if they're planning a sixth or not, but I wouldn't be opposed to another movie with them in it. Javier Bardem was having a blast as Salazar and it came through in the performance. The action was loads of fun, and composer Geoff Zanelli filled in nicely for Hans Zimmer (listening to the score now, in fact). I also appreciated the bit of closure provided by the ending, and I gotta admit, it moved me a little bit cause I've become so attached to Jack, Will, Elizabeth and Barbossa. So, yeah, I enjoyed it a lot. If this really is the end, it goes out on a fitting and satisfying note. I have to re-watch the series, but I definitely enjoyed this one more than On Stranger Tides. That one had mermaids. This one had the bank robbery, the guillotine, Young Jack, Barbossa, the reunion. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 26, 2017 22:57:47 GMT -5
Yeah, On Stranger Tides felt more like a spin-off/standalone. Dead Men Tell No Tales feels like a continuation of the story and mythology from the first three, which works more in its favor. I'm glad they were able to put Will and Elizabeth into this one, even if their roles were very brief. We needed some closure there, and I'm glad we got it. This movie overall had a nice balance of elements from the first three and the fourth.
Though it would've been cool if Will had teamed up with Jack, too, to help stop Salazar since policing the dead is -- well, was -- part of his duties as Captain of the Flying Dutchman.
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Post by Neverending on May 26, 2017 23:09:49 GMT -5
Yeah, On Stranger Tides felt more like a spin-off/standalone. Dead Men Tell No Tales feels like a continuation of the story and mythology from the first three, which works more in its favor. I'm glad they were able to put Will and Elizabeth into this one, even if their roles were very brief. We needed some closure there, and I'm glad we got it. This movie overall had a nice balance of elements from the first three and the fourth. Though it would've been cool if Will had teamed up with Jack, too, to help stop Salazar since policing the dead is -- well, was -- part of his duties as Captain of the Flying Dutchman. Will & Elizabeth will be back for more adventures, if that post credit scene is to be believed. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 26, 2017 23:57:09 GMT -5
That was the main reason why I was wondering if there'll be a sixth movie. New trilogy...?
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Post by daniel on May 27, 2017 3:08:10 GMT -5
I was going to say something, but I just went on record as saying I liked watching all the Resident Evil movies, so I'll see myself out now.
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Post by Neverending on May 27, 2017 7:57:16 GMT -5
I want a Young Jack Sparrow movie. Prequels! |
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Post by Neverending on May 28, 2017 11:24:56 GMT -5
I liked it. Very fun and quite a bit of laughs. While I also liked On Stranger Tides, this one actually felt like a true sequel to At World's End. On Stranger Tides now feels like a spin-off (despite continuing the storyline of the Fountain of Youth introduced at the end of At World's End and with Dead Men Tell No Tales continuing the whole bottled up Black Pearl by Blackbeard bit introduced in On Stranger Tides). As for the post-credits stinger, I read that it might indicate that, if there is a sixth movie, Davy Jones will somehow return as the main villain (according to explanations of the scene). The supposed reason for his return is that, as Henry and Carina broke the Trident of Poseidon, Will is no longer bound to The Flying Dutchman. As a result, the Dutchman has no captain, providing a return of Davy Jones. If it is true that Jones is returning, it seems impossible for him to truly ever be defeated (unless he never actually died in At World's End). I don't remember how Part 3 ended but I assume it's related to the curse breaking. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 28, 2017 13:15:25 GMT -5
His heart was stabbed by a dying Will, with the help of Jack, at the end of the third and his body fell into the maelstrom. According to the lore, stabbing the heart is the only way to kill a Captain of the Flying Dutchman and inherit the duties. But yeah, now that Will is free from the curse and his heart is back in his body, does that mean the previous Captain has to come back? After all, "The Dutchman must always have a Captain."
BTW, slight continuity error: it was established in At World's End that the reason Davy Jones an his crew looked the way they did was because Jones neglected his duty of ferrying souls to the other side. So was Will doing the same thing, cause in the post-credits scene of the third movie, he still looked normal ten years later, but in this movie, his face was slightly barnacle-y...?
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Post by PG Cooper on May 28, 2017 13:34:09 GMT -5
I thought this sucked.
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 28, 2017 13:53:09 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on May 28, 2017 14:08:57 GMT -5
And the sky is blue. What else is new? We lost Cooper a long time ago. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 28, 2017 14:11:56 GMT -5
And the sky is blue. What else is new? We lost Cooper a long time ago. So it would seem. |
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Post by PG Cooper on May 28, 2017 18:04:45 GMT -5
And the sky is blue. What else is new? We lost Cooper a long time ago. Would I win you back if I told you I rewatched The Spy Who Loved Me this week in tribute to our fallen hero? |
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 28, 2017 19:25:20 GMT -5
I assume you're not asking that of me, the James Bond un-enthusiast?
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Post by RedVader on May 28, 2017 19:29:49 GMT -5
The So called after credit scene. This could explain allot of things that has happened with events in 4 and 5.As for 6th Movie id be ok with it if Jack finally did die and we get introduced too a new crazy lead Pirate to team up with the newer two younger leads Did anyone else get the idea about the after credit scene that maybe Davy Jones was not dead and he would be returning if they do a 6th movie. |
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Post by Neverending on May 28, 2017 19:54:25 GMT -5
We lost Cooper a long time ago. Would I win you back if I told you I rewatched The Spy Who Loved Me this week in tribute to our fallen hero? There's some of the old Cooper left. |
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Post by Neverending on May 28, 2017 19:55:21 GMT -5
I assume you're not asking that of me, the James Bond un-enthusiast? He'll watch the Philosopher's Stone when Rupert Grint dies. |
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Post by PG Cooper on May 28, 2017 20:07:35 GMT -5
I assume you're not asking that of me, the James Bond un-enthusiast? You assume correctly. You and I can love Christopher Nolan together though <3 |
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Post by Neverending on May 28, 2017 20:41:26 GMT -5
I assume you're not asking that of me, the James Bond un-enthusiast? You assume correctly. You and I can love Christopher Nolan together though <3 sharpening his knives for Dunkirk. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on May 28, 2017 21:51:44 GMT -5
I assume you're not asking that of me, the James Bond un-enthusiast? You assume correctly. You and I can love Christopher Nolan together though <3 Only seven weeks to go till Dunkirk.  |
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Post by RedVader on May 29, 2017 2:35:08 GMT -5
The Opening Box Office Looking at Near 80 Million for memorial day 4 day weekend for Pirates. Which Looks too make it the weakest Outing yet and Wonder Woman is next week. If it gets a 6th film from Bo its gonna take a Global BO too do it if jerry said they will make it if it makes money. Near 80 mill is ok but not great with a budget of 230 mill. World Wide there at 275 for over seas they made 200 million dollars before it opened here.
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 5, 2017 13:51:05 GMT -5
To be fair, this isn't the disaster that some people are making this out to be nor is it the horror-show that I was expecting. Does it warrant the 29% RT score? Probably not. That said this is also not a good movie. It's a very big, very loud, very very dumb movie. It's basically the definition of what the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise has become. The Pirates series is second only to the Matrix when it comes to franchises that started so well with such fresh, entertaining and original first installments then devolved into bloated, nonsensical tripe. Pirates 5 only reinforces that which the previous Pirates films had already established.
The primary problems with this film, of which there are many, can again be attributed to a script that feels like it was written by about 15 different people. It's more of a collection of ideas thinly joined by some semblance of a plot and because of that there are whole scenes, sequences and characters that feel out of place and inserted at random. That's because they are. Every scene feels like it has something huge going on, either a chase or a sword fight or people yelling or getting killed. With nothing in between it gets boring and by the time the third act finally rolls around it's hard to care. Speaking of acts, again the screenplay comes into focus as you see how uneven this movie is. It's almost an hour into the movie and we're still in the the town where the movie first opens. We're still trying to rescue people so we can finally go out and find that thing everybody wants, in this case the Trident of Poseidon.
The Trident of Poseidon is used here as a tool to help bridge the gap between this Pirates film and those that came out over a decade ago. Will Turner's son Henry is desperate to free his father from the shackles of the Flying Dutchman while at the same time Jack needs it to stop a crew of undead sailors led by Captain Salazar whom Jack helped get cursed to un-deadedness. How? Who knows. Like previous Pirates films, here we are again being forced to accept things with no rhyme or reason, no logic, no explanation. Salazar becomes a ghost pirate because he needs to be, that's about it. We also find out that if you destroy the Trident then it breaks all curses of the sea, something that's discovered at the last moment and again it makes no sense how the characters come to realize it, it's just dialogue regurgitated from the screen. Even the trident itself is a wasted opportunity. It would have been great to see Salazar wielding that thing, maybe even using it to take out the British ship hunting everybody but no, we have to settle for seeing it throw Jack into the air a couple times. My point is that once again this movie is just a wasted opportunity. The concept of the Pirates films is so fun and there are so many directions you can take it. How then is Disney capable of letting it wade in such mediocrity and stupidity? Why keep settling for dumb gags, incoherent plot points and middling to negative reviews? And what the hell was that wedding scene? What was that?
I have a feeling that Disney isn't going to put this franchise out to pasture just yet, not when there's still money to be made. If it's going to survive though it needs an entire retooling from the ground up. Maybe that means finally bidding bon voyage to Jack Sparrow. Maybe that means getting rid of the whole supernatural element altogether. Maybe it means finally deciding if they want to make a movie for children or a movie for audiences that can handle just a bit more. It seems they've been trying to play to both sides of the aisle for a long time. I'm a fan of the first movie and I wish we could get something as fun as that one. I don't know why that's such a tall order but maybe after a few years Disney might be able to right this ship. As for now, it's hard to really praise this movie. There would be too much to ignore in order to call it 'good' just like the previous two installments. It's not the worst movie I've ever seen, there are a few fun sequences and I laughed here and there, in fact I would probably rank this above Alien: Covenant in terms of movies that made me feel insulted, but it's certainly nothing to brag about having seen.
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