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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 15, 2020 8:31:39 GMT -5
This dude deserved it. Glad he got a moment in your video. I knew he needed a moment even if I wasn't sure where. What a scene, what a character.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 21, 2020 11:30:14 GMT -5
One of my questions is in her video.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 22, 2020 11:44:36 GMT -5
PG Cooper is such a Zoomer. “The movie begins with the National Anthem. It must be a political statement.” Dude, that’s how TV stations used to sign off back in the day. lol. Also, you used Exorcist as an example for special effects when Amityville Horror is the more comparable example. Both Amityville and Poltergeist are effects driven movies. Then you talk about the Indian burial ground. Amityville is the one built on an Indian burial ground. You hinted on that, but you should have flat out said it. But I’m guessing you didn’t cause it would have gone against your narrative. Poltergeist is a low-key rip-off of Amityville Horror. Both movies literally have the exact same ending. But I’ll give you credit for the consumerism angle. Although the family in Amityville also abandons all their possessions, it’s never emphasized. Poltergeist does indeed go out of its way to present all their material goods and the ghosts do indeed travel through the TV set.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 22, 2020 11:58:10 GMT -5
Fuck yeah Shining next.
Tell me you do an impersonation of Delbert Grady's trilled r's.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 22, 2020 14:12:13 GMT -5
Technically I'm a millennial but it's definitely borderline. I posted this video three times today and yet you still misquote me. Sad. Also, yes, I'm well aware that TV stations used to sign off like this. Doesn't change or disprove my point. If anything it merely reinforces how inextricably wound up the product was (and still is) with national identity. Moreover, things in movies can represent multiple things. The anthem played accurately reflects a broadcast signing off and it also signifies American culture as an important theme of the film. Hell, when the music starts, we don't know that it's from a TV broadcast. It starts as non-diegetic score played over the credits before shifting to the more static diegetic music coming from the TV. So the immediate association is not with TV, it's with America itself. I don't explicitly say The Amityville Horror is built on an Indian burial ground because I don't have to. When I talk about the trope and show clips from the film, the implication is made. It's cleaner and leads to a more well-paced video. Not mentioning it had nothing to do with "going against my narrative". I don't even see how that would go against my narrative. I also used Exorcist more because it seemed the more seminal 70s haunting movie (even if it isn't technically a haunting) and best emphasized the difference between 70s trauma inducing horror and 80s roller-coaster rides. Also because I own The Exorcist on Blu but not Amityville, hence why the latter is represented with low-quality trailer footage. I'll call this a win. Fuck yeah Shining next. Tell me you do an impersonation of Delbert Grady's trilled r's. No impression, but I do have a bit structured around Grady's dialogue that I think turned out pretty well.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 22, 2020 15:27:30 GMT -5
yes, I'm well aware that TV stations used to sign off like this. Doesn't change or disprove my point. If anything it merely reinforces how inextricably wound up the product was (and still is) with national identity. The characters fall asleep with the TV on and the ghosts use the TV static (something that doesn’t exist with digital TV’s) to communicate with the girl. The idea was to have the parents awakened by their daughter staring at nothing and saying “they’re here.” Showing the TV stations signing off was just to set that up. Actually, you do, because you presented the idea that people misremember Poltergeist and the reason they do is because they blurred it together with Amityville Horror. Why they mix up the two? Cause they’re basically the same movie. If your argument is that Poltergeist created the modern ghost story, you have to show how it differentiates from Amityville Horror. But if you do that, it would hurt your argument because people will just say, “so Poltergeist is just a PG-rated Amityville Horror with a Spielberg aesthetic?” If you were looking for an actual 70’s haunted house film that fit your criteria, SnoBorderZero and I were talking about it earlier this year:
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 22, 2020 15:54:30 GMT -5
yes, I'm well aware that TV stations used to sign off like this. Doesn't change or disprove my point. If anything it merely reinforces how inextricably wound up the product was (and still is) with national identity. The characters fall asleep with the TV on and the ghosts use the TV static (something that doesn’t exist with digital TV’s) to communicate with the girl. The idea was to have the parents awakened by their daughter staring at nothing and saying “they’re here.” Showing the TV stations signing off was just to set that up. Again, elements in a film can do multiple things at once. I don't know why you're so fixated on this only having one meaning. You're missing my point. I'm saying I don't need to explicitly say "The Amityville Horror features an Indian Burial Ground" in my voiceover because I make that point through my editing. Moreover, I very much address Amityville Horror and how it differs from Poltergeist. Mainly, that Poltergeist abandons the isolated and old haunted house and opts for a modern home smack in the middle of suburbia, plus the consumerism angle that you already mentioned. That's a lot more substantial than just a PG-rated Spielberg aesthetic. Neat, but I stand by using The Exorcist.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 22, 2020 17:24:54 GMT -5
Poltergeist abandons the isolated and old haunted house and opts for a modern home smack in the middle of suburbia, plus the consumerism angle that you already mentioned. That's a lot more substantial than just a PG-rated Spielberg aesthetic. Except the characters in Poltergeist could be neighbors with the characters in ET. I’ll give you credit for the consumerism angle, but you can’t deny that Poltergeist looks like a Steven Spielberg movie. There’s a very fine line between the product placement and the Spielberg aesthetic. Look at Poltergeist III. That takes place in New York City at a high rise building. Isn’t a haunted apartment a lot more jarring than a haunted house? Look at what a New York setting did for the look and feel of Ghostbusters. Having the first Poltergeist take place in a Californian suburbia feels more like a Spielberg aesthetic than a commentary on the genre. All your consumerism could be applied to an urban environment. I was alive in the 80’s. I had all the same shit as the characters in Poltergeist. But I lived in the city. You’re telling me ghosts can’t show up in the hood? There’s a Patrick Swayze movie that would disagree with you. Setting Poltergeist in that environment, specifically that Californian desert, with those special effects, is very much giving the haunted house a Spielberg makeover.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 22, 2020 19:05:43 GMT -5
Poltergeist abandons the isolated and old haunted house and opts for a modern home smack in the middle of suburbia, plus the consumerism angle that you already mentioned. That's a lot more substantial than just a PG-rated Spielberg aesthetic. Except the characters in Poltergeist could be neighbors with the characters in ET. I’ll give you credit for the consumerism angle, but you can’t deny that Poltergeist looks like a Steven Spielberg movie. There’s a very fine line between the product placement and the Spielberg aesthetic. Look at Poltergeist III. That takes place in New York City at a high rise building. Isn’t a haunted apartment a lot more jarring than a haunted house? Look at what a New York setting did for the look and feel of Ghostbusters. Having the first Poltergeist take place in a Californian suburbia feels more like a Spielberg aesthetic than a commentary on the genre. All your consumerism could be applied to an urban environment. I was alive in the 80’s. I had all the same shit as the characters in Poltergeist. But I lived in the city. You’re telling me ghosts can’t show up in the hood? There’s a Patrick Swayze movie that would disagree with you. Setting Poltergeist in that environment, specifically that Californian desert, with those special effects, is very much giving the haunted house a Spielberg makeover. I never denied that it looks like a Spielberg movie. It absolutely does. It can be a Spielbergian aesthetic choice and still act as commentary. Whether intentional on the part of the filmmakers are not, it nonetheless reflects a shift away from one idea of the haunted house and towards something else, all the more salient given movies like Halloween which also derived horror from threatening the supposed safety of the suburbs. The move to cities is another shift, but one still in line with Poltergeist given whether urban or suburban, both move away from the idea of an old dark house in the middle of nowhere. Evil doesn't come from a distant time and place, it is very modern and surrounds the home, whether that's in the city or the suburbs. He is the snake to my mongoose. Or perhaps the mongoose to my snake. I don't know animals.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Oct 22, 2020 19:17:56 GMT -5
If Poltergeist "looked" like a Tobe Hooper movie, it would look like it was filmed without filming permits, using people's backyards, and would have special effects you could buy at a hardware store.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 22, 2020 19:27:25 GMT -5
If Poltergeist "looked" like a Tobe Hooper movie, it would look like it was filmed without filming permits, using people's backyards, and would have special effects you could buy at a hardware store. This is the most comparable movie: If PG Cooper wants to do a follow-up video, answering the big question, who really directed Poltergeist, this is the movie he needs to look at.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 22, 2020 19:35:53 GMT -5
If Poltergeist "looked" like a Tobe Hooper movie, it would look like it was filmed without filming permits, using people's backyards, and would have special effects you could buy at a hardware store. This is the most comparable movie: If PG Cooper wants to do a follow-up video, answering the big question, who really directed Poltergeist, this is the movie he needs to look at. I very deliberately avoided touching that. I don't think there's enough evidence to definitively say so I defer to the official credit. Also, I like to think it's Hooper's movie. It's likely one of his 5 best where it wouldn't even make Spielberg's top 10.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Oct 22, 2020 19:43:05 GMT -5
In the plot twist to end all plot twists, it turns out Craig T. Nelson directed Poltergeist. Hooper and Spielberg were busy getting baked and giggling while watching dailies from ET.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 22, 2020 20:42:32 GMT -5
I just split the difference and gave credit to both when I reviewed it for my thread. Though I will say it has a very Spielbergian feel to it, so it's easy to see why there's that question in the first place.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 27, 2020 9:48:51 GMT -5
Decided to post this a couple days early given another new video is also coming Sunday (and I can't move that one's release).
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 1, 2020 13:08:53 GMT -5
Yes, this is essentially the 7th week in a row with a new video.
Part of a collaboration with about a dozen other Youtubers called The Director Project. We're starting off with the bearded one himself; Steven Spielberg.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 1, 2020 13:50:19 GMT -5
Part of a collaboration with about a dozen other Youtubers called The Director Project. We're starting off with the bearded one himself; Steven Spielberg. Well, well, well... Such interesting timing.
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 1, 2020 13:56:50 GMT -5
Part of a collaboration with about a dozen other Youtubers called The Director Project. We're starting off with the bearded one himself; Steven Spielberg. Well, well, well... Such interesting timing. Total coincidence too. I had no say in the selection and was even invited to the group a little bit later than a lot of the others.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 1, 2020 14:04:50 GMT -5
Is MasterChief in the Director Project?
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 1, 2020 14:05:42 GMT -5
Is MasterChief in the Director Project? No. I didn't organize it and wasn't in a position to give invites. However he could make and submit a video now if he wanted.
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