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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 31, 2016 21:08:10 GMT -5
I was lucky to attend a private screening in Los Angeles on Saturday that was followed by a Q&A with the cinematographer of the film, Bradford Young, so I'll post my thoughts on that first. Young is, well, awesome. He's young (no pun intended), humble, immensely talented, and was a thrill to speak with. His credits include lensing A Most Violent Year, Selma, and he's also shooting the upcoming Han Solo film. Needless to say, his career is incredibly impressive given his age and his work in Arrival was outstanding. I was thrilled to be invited to this event and even more excited and inspired by being able to speak to Young about his process and how he approaches his work. Definitely going to be following this guy from here on out. It's no secret that I'm a fan of director Denis Villeneuve. Sicario was bested only by Mad Max: Fury Road last year in terms of sheer thrill and intensity, and as a major Blade Runner fanboy I can't even put into words how confident I am that he's the right man to make Blade Runner 2049 as good as the original. Yes, I just went there. And yet it's still an interesting fit to see him doing this film since it doesn't exactly blend with his resume. Generally his films are melancholy, R-rated flicks delving into the nastiness of human nature that feature moody scores and imagery and no shortage of intense suspense and violence. Arrival is far and away his most gentle film in regards to tone, pacing, and characters. It might also be his best film yet, a sure sign that he continues to grow as a filmmaker and that his voice can extend beyond just grim fare. The film centers on a familiar plot line: an alien ship (12 to be exact) lands on Earth, and we try to either blow them up before they do it to us or attempt to communicate with them to understand why they've come here. I'm entirely sick of the former as it 95% of the time leads to mindless action and CGI sequences of world landmarks being destroyed all resulting in a tedium I can't tolerate. The latter isn't anything new, it's been done since 1951's The Day the Earth Stood Still (maybe even earlier) and while I certainly prefer this plot arc it too can fall to cliche and repetition. Arrival centers on Amy Adams' character Louise, a professor of linguistics who is recruited by the military to open a channel of communication with the aliens. As she goes through various tests and word association scenarios with the aliens to attempt to form commonalities, she is plagued by flashes of her failed marriage and loss of her only child. While she attempts to maintain her own mental state and figure out why the aliens (Heptopods as they are later named) are here, the other nations aren't exhibiting the same patience, and the film becomes as much an examination of the importance of understanding those different from us as it also is our own inability to communicate as humans and differing cultures. This is a film that obviously has a lot to spoil, and I'm going to keep this spoiler free so I'm going to stray from plot discussions and focus on the aesthetics of the film instead. Villeneuve is certainly never alone is evoking the emotional power that his films bear, and as it was in Prisoners and Sicario, the score here consisting of heavy strings is mesmerizing. The film maintains a comfortable pace throughout and is certainly very grounded for a film about aliens, but the score is so, so good and embodies a naturalistic sense of how people would emotionally react to an event of this magnitude occurring. Coupled with the score is some of the best editing I've seen ever. The images are never jarring, never sensational or cheap but rather sift through the viewer with a heightened sense of intrigue and wonder. We cut back-and-forth from flashbacks for Louise to her encounters with the Heptopods with such grace that it almost seems effortless and yet you know that this has been edited by a true master of their craft. Villeneuve's directing is very good here, but I argue that the score and editing are what really pull the viewer into Arrival. Not to go unmentioned either is the aforementioned Bradford Young's cinematography. Shot mostly with soft and natural light in traditional high-key style but against sweeping Montana landscapes, the look of the film meshes so well with the editing and score. There are beautiful floating tracking shots sweeping around the alien ship, there are outstanding images of characters silhouetted in interiors watching the ship trying to figure out what to do next, there are hard contrast looks inside military briefing rooms and labs that have beautiful splashes of color over the actors' faces. It's all so in tune with the rest of the film's approach of gentle power that it's hard to not be emotionally swept up in it all. And again, the most constant criticism thrown towards Villeneuve films are that their emotional intensity is anything but subtle, but Arrival can garner no such slights. There's a true grace and beauty about this film that's hard to sum up in words, and without being overly CGI heavy or galaxy-spanning the film manages to be one of the most stunning works of science fiction put to screen. The ending is sure to stir conversations for years to come. This is not your typical aliens from another world film. This is a film that rewards the mature viewer and explores its themes without throwing them in your face or telling you that the world needs to do such and such in order to survive. I don't think I can say that this is a great film despite it having all of the ingredients to be so, but it's certainly a very strong film that transcends any conventions of its genre. Sometimes you get so tired of seeing the same old, same old that when a movie comes along and tries something different, even if the end result isn't entirely a winner, you acknowledge that the film attempted to buck the cliched trend. Arrival is a quietly powerful film about communication on several levels and how that communication is the true key to advancement as well as survival. Though its themes aren't exactly revolutionary, Arrival is an excellent example of a film that has each of its departments working on superb levels and the end result is one that meshes these aesthetics into something that feeds off its strengths instead of clumsily attempting to balance them all. This is another step forward in growth and range by Villeneuve, and even if you haven't been impressed by his previous works you should give Arrival a look. 8/10
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Post by Deexan on Nov 13, 2016 5:04:00 GMT -5
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 13, 2016 13:37:55 GMT -5
Ending basically ruined a great movie for me. Again, people feel you can do whatever you want in a movie because it's sci-fi, or something. Like putting telekinesis in a movie about time travel.
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Post by Deexan on Nov 13, 2016 13:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 13, 2016 14:03:42 GMT -5
Sure. We were promised a movie about deciphering language to beat the clock. Instead, it turned into a movie that was about a woman finding love and choosing to have a doomed child. The touchy-feelies were suppose to be enough so we'd ignore the movie makes no sense, logically or thematically any more. The idea of a person turning fourth-dimensional, being able to see all aspects of their lives at once is absurd. This was filled with boot-strap paradoxes everywhere where she was solving things in the present by things in the future helping her out where the past wasn't solved yet. It all kind of reminded me of the ending of Interstellar, but this harmed the film a lot more.
Even if you're OK with the movie taking the turn, they kind of took a dump on the language part of the movie. The race to figure out their language was solved with telepathy - the very ploy used in most alien movies to AVOID the problem of language. The aliens need our help in 3000 years? I want to hear more about that.
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 13, 2016 18:06:09 GMT -5
Sure. We were promised a movie about deciphering language to beat the clock. Instead, it turned into a movie that was about a woman finding love and choosing to have a doomed child. The touchy-feelies were suppose to be enough so we'd ignore the movie makes no sense, logically or thematically any more. The idea of a person turning fourth-dimensional, being able to see all aspects of their lives at once is absurd. This was filled with boot-strap paradoxes everywhere where she was solving things in the present by things in the future helping her out where the past wasn't solved yet. It all kind of reminded me of the ending of Interstellar, but this harmed the film a lot more.
Even if you're OK with the movie taking the turn, they kind of took a dump on the language part of the movie. The race to figure out their language was solved with telepathy - the very ploy used in most alien movies to AVOID the problem of language. The aliens need our help in 3000 years? I want to hear more about that. I kind of agree with a lot of this. I do like the turn more than you did. I thought it was unexpected and integrated into the film pretty well, but it does take a film that was about one thing and make it about something else. Also, I agree that the conflict solution felt like a cheat.
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 17, 2016 19:44:16 GMT -5
Denis Villeneuve has come forth as one of the most promising directors of the current decade. As a fan of his breakthrough Incendies I’ve been largely excited by this, but I’ve also been a little disappointed by the films he’s made since. Make no mistake, movies like Prisoners and Sicario both show some fine directorial craft, but I found both were also marred by some questionable screenplays. I’m not going to go into detail about why here, but I found both had something of an identity crisis wherein they presented themselves as dignified prestige pictures, but their scripts were hokey. Still, I remain enthusiastic about Villeneuve’s work and have been hoping he’d be able to make something special. His newest film, Arrival, seemed like exactly the sort of hard science-fiction that would win me over.
The film is set on what looks like a modern day Earth when twelve mysterious alien vessels touch down on the planet. Seeking a means to communicate with the aliens, the U.S. government enlists linguistics professor Louise Banks (Amy Adams) to make contact. Louise is brought to Montana, where one of the alien vessels resides, and meets Ian Donnelly (Jeremy Renner), a theoretical physicist who is to work with Louise inside the alien ship during sessions. Slowly but surely, Louise does start to make progress understanding the aliens, and vice versa. However global tensions mount as Chinese General Shang (Tzi Ma) increasingly moves to a military solution and the threat of warfare grows.
We’ve seen a surge of big-budget science-fiction lately and what’s especially refreshing is that many of these films are actually quite thoughtful. That said, sometimes spectacle is too tempting to avoid and a film diverges from its ideas for action. This is probably most evident in District 9, a science-fiction film that sold itself as being about communication species and the political consequences of it, but ended as a violent action movie. I was worried that Arrival might follow a similar path, exploring ideas of communication before turning into a more Hollywood movie, but thankfully that isn’t the case. Arrival remains thematic and interested in exploring ideas from beginning to end, even if what those ideas are do shift.
The film spends a lot of time observing the slow process of communication between species and there are all sorts of details that make this process engaging. The aliens, for example, communicate through signs and visuals rather than strictly through audio. Additionally, the aliens and the humans are separated by a transparent surface, with the aliens shrouded in fog and seldom seen. These are just some of the details that make these scenes interesting, and there are all sorts of other little things to be enjoyed in these sections. Additionally, Villeneuve and Eric Heisserer (who wrote the screenplay) are very patient involving the progression of communication. The first few scenes between the humans and the aliens are fairly simple and the progress made is only minimal. This is actually a lot more gripping than a more fast-paced approach. It builds anticipation and when breakthroughs are made they feel earned.
Arrival is not just interested in communication with an alien species, but also communication with our own. The tension between various nations regarding how to deal with the alien presence and the subsequent breakdown in communication channels all speak to the ways in which humans react with each other and the problems which underline our interactions. However, in the third act, the film stops being about this and becomes about…something else. I can’t really go into detail about where the film goes in the third act, but suffice it to say more is revealed about why the aliens have arrived and that turns much of the film on its head. These turns are integrated into the film well and they do lead to some enticing ideas, but it also largely drops the film’s themes of communication breakdowns. In fact the twist ends up resolving the central conflict in a way that feels rather like a cheat. Overall, it’s a twist I have mixed feelings about. On the one hand, it is a surprising turn, one that does change your perception of events and also opens up some other neat ways of thinking. On the other hand, I feel like the film sets up some interesting questions about communication but that it doesn’t follow through with.
While Villeneuve’s last few films were made especially noteworthy by Roger Deakins’ cinematography, Arrival shot instead by Bradford Young. Young’s work is not nearly as showy as Deakins and I doubt he’ll get much awards attention, but the film looks good and there is some memorable imagery. I was particularly impressed by the way the film would focus on Louise while distorting the environment around her, reflecting the character becoming swallowed in her work. The designs of the aliens are quite strong and the meetings between species’ have a lot of atmosphere. Finally, the film has a very strong cast of great character actors who all do solid work. I’ve long been a champion of Amy Adams and she does indeed make for a compelling screen presence. The character as written is not terribly complex, but Adams imbues the role with a certain depth. I also really liked Michael Stuhlbarg, who has a small role, but does a good job riding the line between being an official who obeys protocol but does not slip into being a simplistic villain.
Overall, Arrival is a quality film and I’d also argue it’s easily Denis Villeneuve’s best English-language film. It’s a well-crafted work with a solid cast, some really effective scenes, and is actually interested in exploring some important social and science-fiction comments. Granted, I don’t think it does so perfectly. While the big twist is effective, it also does solve the film’s central issues and themes in an anti-climactic fashion. This isn’t immediately apparent when watching, but on reflection it’s clear the exploration of tensions in communication aren’t really resolved fully. Still, I only harp on this so much because of the many other ways in which Arrival is great. This is some damn fine filmmaking that remains cerebral while also still being pretty accessible.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 19, 2016 19:00:38 GMT -5
Pretty much like Robert Zemeckis's brilliant 1997 film, Contact, Denis Villeneuve's Arrival spends more time on the Thinking Man's side of science fiction. It's been quite some time since the appearance of aliens on Earth hasn't heralded a tidal wave of explosions, so this film is all the more refreshing in that regard. It's also a film that's fairly difficult to discuss in detail without giving too much of it away, so I'll do my best. Over the past couple of years, I've become a huge fan of director Denis Villeneuve, and with Arrival, he further cements his status as one of today's best working directors. His quiet, understated storytelling instincts remain intact here, in spite of serving a more large-scale narrative than his previous efforts, but Arrival is a story that's so inherently human at the end of the day. It's also thoughtful and subtly emotional. Screenwriter Eric Heisserer's script simultaneously manages to maintain a gripping atmosphere throughout while exploring the overall idea of communication in some very engaging ways, but never indulging in any of the expected Hollywood tropes one might expect when dealing with a story like this. Careful restraint is shown from beginning to end, and Arrival is further proof that subtlety can go a long way, and be more effective, than going for the obvious. Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner give first-rate performances that help keep the story engaging. It all leads up to an ending that I personally found effective and satisfying, and didn't take away from what came before it at all. In fact, I found it only enhanced the film and made me want to see it again.
If you're a fan of thoughtful, smart science fiction, then Arrival has to be on your must-see list. It's hands down one of the best of the year.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 19, 2016 20:00:04 GMT -5
Pretty much like Robert Zemeckis's brilliant 1997 film, Contact, Denis Villeneuve's Arrival spends more time on the Thinking Man's side of science fiction. It's been quite some time since the appearance of aliens on Earth hasn't heralded a tidal wave of explosions, so this film is all the more refreshing in that regard. It's also a film that's fairly difficult to discuss in detail without giving too much of it away, so I'll do my best. Over the past couple of years, I've become a huge fan of director Denis Villeneuve, and with Arrival, he further cements his status as one of today's best working directors. His quiet, understated storytelling instincts remain intact here, in spite of serving a more large-scale narrative than his previous efforts, but Arrival is a story that's so inherently human at the end of the day. It's also thoughtful and subtly emotional. Screenwriter Eric Heisserer's script simultaneously manages to maintain a gripping atmosphere throughout while exploring the overall idea of communication in some very engaging ways, but never indulging in any of the expected Hollywood tropes one might expect when dealing with a story like this. Careful restraint is shown from beginning to end, and Arrival is further proof that subtlety can go a long way, and be more effective, than going for the obvious. Amy Adams and Jeremy Renner give first-rate performances that help keep the story engaging. It all leads up to an ending that I personally found effective and satisfying, and didn't take away from what came before it at all. In fact, I found it only enhanced the film and made me want to see it again. If you're a fan of thoughtful, smart science fiction, then Arrival has to be on your must-see list. It's hands down one of the best of the year. ****/****Are you fucking serious? I'm sitting here waiting for your Fantastic Beast review and you do this instead?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 19, 2016 20:42:30 GMT -5
LOL. Relax. I saw this and Miss Peregrine last weekend and was just catching up. I saw Fantastic Beasts this afternoon. Thoughts on that coming real soon.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 19, 2016 21:01:04 GMT -5
LOL. Relax. I saw this and Miss Peregrine last weekend and was just catching up. I saw Fantastic Beasts this afternoon. Thoughts on that coming real soon. Not soon enough.
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Post by Jibbs on Nov 19, 2016 22:35:54 GMT -5
LOL. Relax. I saw this and Miss Peregrine last weekend and was just catching up. I saw Fantastic Beasts this afternoon. Thoughts on that coming real soon. How dare you.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 19, 2016 22:40:54 GMT -5
LOL. Relax. I saw this and Miss Peregrine last weekend and was just catching up. I saw Fantastic Beasts this afternoon. Thoughts on that coming real soon. How dare you. I will have...ORDER!
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Post by Neverending on Nov 21, 2016 22:51:59 GMT -5
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Post by Dracula on Nov 24, 2016 11:10:14 GMT -5
My not at all late and somewhat vague review
Arrival(11/14/2016)
Science fiction is more popular right now than ever… at least if you’re willing to have a sort of loose definition of what the genre covers. Six of the top ten highest grossing movies of last year could be called science fiction if you’re willing to expand the genre to include films like Avengers: Age of Ultron, Jurassic World, and Inside Out, but even though those movies involve killer robots, DNA manipulation, and symbolically technological manifestations of the mind none of them quite have that sci-fi smell to them. Even the more unambiguously futuristic of these sci-fi blockbusters like Star Wars: The Force Awakens and The Hunger Games: Mockingjay – Part 2 ultimately feel more like action movies than like true ruminations on humanities future and its relation to technology. Movies that really truly feel like pure science fiction rather than a sci-fi twist on some other genres are pretty rare. The only noteworthy movies from last year which would seem to fit the bill are The Martian, Ex Machina, maybe Tomorrowland and possibly Chappie. Ex Machina in particular seemed to be the real standard bearer for “thinking man’s sci-fi” and while it was made on a very small scale it seemed to have a pretty remarkable cultural impact for what it was. I guess what I’m trying to say is that the kind of brainy sci-fi that a certain kind of slightly nerdy cinephille craves is pretty rare so when one actually gets made it tends to be a pretty big event, and that’s why movies like Denis Villeneuve’s Arrival are so hotly anticipated.
Arrival appears to be set in the present or very near future and begins when twelve large cylindrical alien spaceships suddenly arrive on earth and begin to hover over twelve separate and seemingly random places on earth including one ship that stopped in a largely uninhabited location in Montana which is quickly cordoned off and isolated by the military. The ships do not show any overt signs of aggression but cause great amounts of worry among the populace just the same. All this is shown from the perspective of a linguist working at a university named Louise Banks (Amy Adams), who seems to be overcoming a great loss as the film begins. Shortly after “the arrival” she is contacted by a US Army Colonel named Weber (Forest Whitaker), who knew of her from some previous top secret translation work she did for the military. After some convincing Weber agrees to bring Banks out to the site and see the UFO for herself. There she learns that the military has been able to board the ship periodically and see the aliens but have no real way to speak with them in their rather unusual language, but think that Banks and a scientist she’ll been working with named Ian Donnelly (Jeremy Renner) might have what it takes to break through and determine what these aliens want.
Arrival is directed by a guy named Denis Villeneuve who’s made a number of movies recently that I’ve been less enamored with than a lot of people. I thought Prisoners was kind of ridiculous, that Enemy was rather ill-conceived, and that Sicario wasn’t as smart as it thought it was. However, most of my complaints about all those movies tended to be leveled more towards the various writers involved than at Villeneuve’s direction. I’ve always held out hope that when Villeneuve finally found the right script that he could pull off something special and with Eric Heisserer’s script for Arrival, which is based on a Nebula winning novella by Ted Chiang, I think he’s finally found material that’s worthy of his talent.
The film clearly resembles Robert Zemeckis’ 1997 film Contact in that it presents something of a procedural exploration of how the world would react to a potential first contact situation with an alien intelligence but there are also hints of Close Encounters of the Third Kind in the way the government struggles to communicate with the aliens and in the way the characters take their encounters fairly personally. What follows is an exploration in the difficulties of communication as the Amy Adams character tries to figure out how to get through to these aliens while the world goes mad around her. Adams, who rarely disappoints, continues to does a great job of anchoring this movie. In the last couple of years she’s done a great job of transitioning from her early “adorkable” roles into a more well-rounded actress who can really carry a movie. Jeremy Renner is also a solid co-star, though I’m not quite sure what Forrest Whitaker doing with his accent in this. Villeneuve also has some solid collaborators behind the scenes like his longtime composer of choice Jóhann Jóhannsson but I was a lot less impressed with the film’s cinematography by Bradford Young. Young is a young (no pun intended) DP who is viewed as something of a wunderkind by the media, but I don’t really see the appeal. His movies all look like they’re being played on TVs that have had the brightness jacked up with all the blacks being diluted into greys. Given the setting this isn’t quite as distracting as it was in Selma but I still don’t really care for it.
Arrival is kind of a difficult film to talk about without going into spoilers. As you can probably guess there’s something of a twist about three quarters of the way into the film which makes you rethink a lot of what came before and it’s certainly something that takes a minute to wrap your head around. I’m not going to take a deep dive into it right now but it is a twist with implications that are at once both fascinating and not entirely logical but I think I mostly liked it. I don’t see Arrival going down in the annals of great science fiction as a classic of the genre, but it is solid, certainly smarter than what you’d usually expect from what looks like a very expensive movie from Paramount Pictures. Maybe that says something about the low standards of Hollywood right now… or maybe it suggests that we’re a little spoiled from all the truly excellent science fiction we’ve had in the past and the very high standard that was set by movies like The Abyss, The Day the Earth Stood Still or the aforementioned Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Contact. Either way, it’s definitely a movie worth seeing even if it kind of falls into a strange middle ground between summer blockbuster and award contender.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 26, 2016 9:09:14 GMT -5
I really liked it.
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Post by FShuttari on Nov 26, 2016 18:08:29 GMT -5
The last 15 minutes train wrecked the entire film... They should have stuck with them just learning the language and communicating with the aliens...
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Post by Deexan on Nov 26, 2016 23:41:02 GMT -5
Fascinating that one faction feel the ending ruined it and another felt it elevated it to classic status, or close to it.
#Polarising
(The latter for me, BTW.)
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Post by Neverending on Nov 27, 2016 4:27:44 GMT -5
Fascinating that one faction feel the ending ruined it and another felt it elevated it to classic status, or close to it. #Polarising (The latter for me, BTW.) The ending is stupid. Give it 6 months. The other side will convert.
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Post by FShuttari on Nov 27, 2016 5:36:26 GMT -5
It's already losing ground, in a lot of the award circuit the ending is overall hurting the movie's chance for many other awards like acting and best picture... It could pick up steam, but the ending is just to controversial.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 27, 2016 10:18:10 GMT -5
It was on the award circuit?
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 27, 2016 17:53:13 GMT -5
Fascinating that one faction feel the ending ruined it and another felt it elevated it to classic status, or close to it. #Polarising (The latter for me, BTW.) Is the issue that it is only there for a twist? I would say the "twist" is more ingrained in the overall purpose.
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Post by thebtskink on Nov 27, 2016 18:09:02 GMT -5
Yeah it was weaved throughout the entire movie. It wasn't a complete shock.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 27, 2016 19:03:26 GMT -5
Fascinating that one faction feel the ending ruined it and another felt it elevated it to classic status, or close to it. #Polarising (The latter for me, BTW.) Is the issue that it is only there for a twist? I would say the "twist" is more ingrained in the overall purpose. Yeah it was weaved throughout the entire movie. It wasn't a complete shock. The way the "twist" was integrated was clever, but the twist itself was really stupid.
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