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Post by Neverending on Jul 21, 2016 21:17:46 GMT -5
How do you celebrate the 50th anniversary of Star Trek? Better question: how do you acknowledge the 50th anniversary while also making the 3rd installment of J.J. Abram's Star Trek. Depending on your answer you'll either enjoy or tolerate the latest movie in the franchise. I don't think anyone will dislike - or hate it.
The story begins 4 years into the Enterprise's 5 year mission. Unlike the iconic television series, nothing of significance has occurred. Kirk is so bored that he's trying to get promoted to Admiral and get the heck off that space ship. Then, while responding to a distress call, the ship is attacked and the crew is marooned on a planet. Now this is where things get interesting. The film is comfortable just letting the characters roam around and do their schtick. It's no surprise that the marketing was terrible. There's nothing to show that would get the masses excited. Except for the action scenes, of course. Make no mistake. This IS J.J.'s Star Trek and it's directed by Justin Lin of Fast & Furious fame. But out of context, the action scenes are incredibly generic. I actually dozes off a few times. If there are critical flaws, it's the uninspired plot and overlong action scenes. You can talk shit about J.J., but at least his plots were layered. Here, we just get a boring revenge story. If it wasn't for the characters and their relationships - and the mostly laid back approach - this would have been a total failure.
In the end, this is probably not what fans wanted, but it's the best we could have hoped for. There's no lens flare - except for a scene or two. It's not remaking anything. It's just another adventure featuring the crew of the USS Enterprise.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 23, 2016 17:05:43 GMT -5
It's good. I liked it. Trek fans should like it the most out of the three recent reboot films thus far, and while I certainly enjoyed myself and would recommend it, I think I personally prefer the other two.
I think because it lacks the "Abrams flair" that you usually get in the movies JJ directs. Say what you will about JJ Abrams and his first two Star Trek reboots; the guy knows how to craft a thrilling blockbuster. For me, what stands out about the previous two Star Treks (as well as M:I 3 and The Force Awakens) is that JJ typically works to make his plots feel more tightly-structured and have other things running underneath the surface to make them more compelling than they would be in the hands of most other blockbuster directors. Justin Lin's style, by comparison, is more generic and garden variety. Star Trek: Beyond is still an enjoyable movie, but there's nothing to his action sequences here -- other than the fact that they're mainly just fun -- to really make them stand out, unlike with Abrams. This movie is more straightforward/grounded -- no pun intended -- than the preceeding two, but also kind of...ordinary in terms of action and plot. This movie does most likely harken back to the classic Star Trek in terms of the way the plot is set up, and fans of that should appreciate it, but I'm clearly more partial to Abrams' sense of plotting.
The heart and soul of these new movies, though, remains the cast and the chemistry between all the characters and that's what really bolsters this movie. There are a number of strong character moments spread throughout the film -- particularly with Bones and Spock -- and that's what really kept me invested. Every main cast member in the Enterprise crew continues their great work, and I liked Sofia Boutella as Jaylah, but Idris Elba's Krull is pretty bland and uninteresting, as is his overall scheme. I actually felt like Elba was kind of underutilized, in the same way as if he had been a Marvel villain.
It may sound like I didn't think much of Star Trek: Beyond, but I did. Really. Again, it's good, but I still prefer Star Trek '09 and Into Darkness.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 23, 2016 17:28:05 GMT -5
Trek fans should like it the most out of the three recent reboot films thus far Jibbs type fans. JJ's first movie is probably still considered the best one by most people. I need to re-watch them - and watch this one again - but I'm leaning that way too. There wasn't much of a plot in this movie. It's more of an extended episode than a movie. Some people will prefer that. Others - will continue with their blind hatred for all things JJ. The fact this movie wasn't re-tooling or re-making anything helped A LOT. The cast was able to breath and not be compared to anything in general. I thought it was a new actress, but it's the chick with the shoe-blades from Kingsman. Matthew Vaughn's eye for new talent continues...
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 23, 2016 17:42:45 GMT -5
I re-watched the other two before I went to see this, so I feel confident in saying that I prefer those to this. Then again, these are the only things Star Trek that I've seen, but I still feel the same way about Abrams' filmmaking/storytelling.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 23, 2016 17:48:09 GMT -5
these are the only Star Trek that I've seen Time to rectify that.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 23, 2016 17:51:43 GMT -5
I DO intend on going back and watching the others.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 23, 2016 18:28:24 GMT -5
I DO intend on going back and watching the others. You're done with James Bond. Might as well start with Trek.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 23, 2016 18:54:48 GMT -5
My thinking exactly.
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 23, 2016 22:45:34 GMT -5
I wasn't expecting much for this movie, since the trailers have been pretty big let downs. So I didn't know what to expect... But oh man... This has been by far the best movie of the summer. The action is spectacular much better then the previous films. I had a complete blast from beginning to end this movie pretty much got everything right except for a few minor things.
I'm glad they are done with trying to re-hash old star trek movies into these JJ ones. I really liked ALba and Sofia who were underneath all that makeup. My only grudge is are they done destroying the enterprise... And when they say "Shields Up" what shields???
For the 50th anniversary you can tell the entire cast and crew really wanted to give you a feeling of the old Star Trek movies. And did they pull it off... Couple of scenes even had me feeling touched by the end.
All in all this is easily the best of the 3 new Star Trek Movies.
Go SEE IT!
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 24, 2016 0:33:00 GMT -5
I think I liked it better than Into Darkness as well even though the endings seemed eerily similar. If it ain't broke don't fix it I guess.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 24, 2016 0:52:37 GMT -5
I think I liked it better than Into Darkness Neither are as good as Ghostbusters.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 24, 2016 0:55:07 GMT -5
Well for starters it's bullshit that we haven't had an all female crew of the Enterprise. It's 2016 for crying out loud!
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Post by Neverending on Jul 24, 2016 0:59:24 GMT -5
Well for starters it's bullshit that we haven't had an all female crew of the Enterprise. It's 2016 for crying out loud! Star Trek: Discovery might fix that.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 24, 2016 15:02:04 GMT -5
A few years ago, I started a journey to watch and review every Star Trek film, most of which I was seeing for the first time. It was a very rewarding series which gave me a firmer grasp on one of pop culture’s most important titles and also introduced me to some really good films. That series also gave me a new perspective on the rebooted Trek universe, and specifically, why a lot of fans really don’t like these new movies. There’s a lot of reasons, but at the core it’s that the films don’t feel like Star Trek, they feel like summer action movies. The storylines aren’t as ambitious in their science-fiction or as politically sharp and the characters seem off too. In short, they are films that lean towards violent action than the intelligent and optimistic values Trek was built on. I still think the new films work pretty effectively as blockbusters, but my opinion of them has certainly dipped.
Most signs indicated that Star Trek Beyond would continue the trend of Trek films which don’t feel like Trek. Justin Lin was tapped as the director of the film, a troubling prospect given he is most known for his work on the Fast and Furious movies. No disrespect to those films, but that action heavy touch is not what most fans wanted from Star Trek. These fears seem more or less confirmed when the film’s bombastic trailer hit, promising a lot of flash but nothing substantial. There was however one glimmer of hope in the fact that Simon Pegg co-wrote the screenplay. Pegg is a pretty credible voice in the geek community and his screenplay collaborations with Edgar Wright always showed a strong mix of intelligence, heart, and humour.
The film opens nearly three years into the Starship Enterprise’s five year mission to seek new life in the frontier of space. Their work has been going steady, but Captain James T. Kirk (Chris Pine) finds himself disillusioned, unsure of what he is actually accomplishing. However his contemplation is cut short when the alien Kalara (Lydia Wilson) informs Kirk that her crew have been taken as prisoners on a hostile planet. Kirk and his crew, including Spock (Zachary Quinto), Bones (Karl Urban), Uhura (Zoe Saldana), Chekov (Anton Yelchin), Sulu (John Cho), and Scotty (Simon Pegg) embark on a rescue mission. Unbeknownst to them however, the kidnapping is really a trap set by the creature Krall (Idris Elba), who seeks to acquire an ancient weapon aboard the Enterprise.
Though the plot description might not read as such, Star Trek Beyond is actually a pretty clear effort to make the series feel more like Star Trek than the previous films (particularly Into Darkness). The film may lack a dense science-fiction plot or strong political allegory, but the underlying theme of the film is about groups of people working together to achieve a common goal. That’s obviously a pretty simplistic theme, but it speaks to the inclusivity and optimism that lies at the heart of Star Trek. Perhaps more importantly, Kirk and Spock actually feel in character. Kirk is no longer portrayed as a reckless punk who should have no business commanding a ship and at no point does Spock violently beat someone while screaming emotionally. The two feel much truer this time around and their arcs, especially Kirk’s, are more substantial and interesting than in the previous films, even if they are fairly predictable.
In keeping with Star Trek Beyond’s more hopeful themes is the film’s noticeably lighter tone. The basic story here is (relatively) small scale and the film maintains a sense of fun throughout. There’s a lot of humour here, but it’s incorporated pretty naturally and is done almost exclusively through the character’s interactions with each other. That point is crucial as it means the film can keep a fun tone while still having some sense of menace. The villains do engage in some pretty evil stuff here and the stakes are felt. In short, Star Trek Beyond works as a light adventure, but never totally embraces the comedy in the way something like Guardians of the Galaxy does.
In that sense, the film also functions well as simply an exciting action film. The action ratio is about the same as it was in the Abrams films and Lin does a pretty good job staging the various shootouts, fights, chases, and space battles. For the most part, Lin also avoids making these set-pieces too big. Things are pretty restrained, though there are some groaners like why a starship would feature an old-fashioned motorcycle other than for a slightly contrived chase sequence and the use of popular music like the Beastie Boys, while more creative than I would have expected, still seemed pretty stupid. Generally speaking, Lin fits in the director’s chair pretty well here. He manages to maintain the same basic visual aesthetic while not feeling totally beholden to what J.J. Abrams did and the film is certainly put together professionally. I still don’t think the Star Trek films really need to be action movies, but as action films these reboot films continue to work pretty well.
Star Trek Beyond is a film that does a lot right, but it also stumbles in one of the most crucial areas; the plot. Yet again, we have a Star Trek film which revolves around a villain attempting to use a doomsday weapon out of a sense of hatred/vengeance. The Trek films have been stuck on this rut since the Next Generation movies and it’s become increasingly tiresome. To be fair, Lin, Pegg, and co-writer Doug Jung do offset this somewhat by focusing more on the character interactions than the storyline. That probably is where the real heart of the movie lies and a lot of those character beats do work. Additionally, there is a twist involving Krall that makes him more interesting than he initially seemed, even if his motives are still a little questionable. Still, I can’t help but roll my eyes at the repeated use of the same damn story over and over again, especially when you consider the variety of plots in the original series run. There was a story of exploration and humanity, a revenge tale which explored gradual acceptance of failure and mortality, a quest to save a lost friend, a comedic time travel story with heavy environmental messages, a journey into the unknown to find God, and a brilliant political parallel to the end of the Cold War. Not all of these movies were great, but at least they took risks and tried to tell new stories.
Is Star Trek Beyond the Trek film I wanted? Not really. The Trek films have been starved a good story for a long time and to see this franchise continue to go hungry is very disappointing. Having said that, this is certainly a step in the right direction. The characters and tone feel right, and its themes of togetherness (though very basic) are refreshing at a time when the world seems to be splintering further apart each day. Audiences looking for a summer blockbuster will also mostly be well-served by Beyond. The cast remains a lot of fun, the film is well paced, the production values high, and generally speaking this is a pretty enjoyable romp. In spite of the issues with the plot, this is an enjoyable film thanks to a lot of the details and some strong filmmaking. If this had greater substance, I’d be more than happy to embrace this fully. As it stands though, Star Trek Beyond remains a solid enough effort.
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Post by RedVader on Jul 24, 2016 16:33:18 GMT -5
Its not suppose too be all male or all female in any franchise. Movies are suppose to make us forget racial and sexual divids do exist still today.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 24, 2016 21:28:23 GMT -5
Another thing I wanted to mention: I loved Michael Giacchino's scores for the first two Abrams reboots (in fact, I'm listening to the '09 one right now), but his Beyond score was kind of bland, to be honest.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 24, 2016 21:48:47 GMT -5
Another thing I wanted to mention: I loved Michael Giacchino's scores for the first two Abrams reboots (in fact, I'm listening to the '09 one right now), but his Beyond score was kind of bland, to be honest. LOL. I was also listening to Trek '09 today. Actually, its been on rotation since Thursday. But I think Into Darkness and Beyond are equally bland. I love Giacchino, but dude is inconsistent.
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 24, 2016 22:52:26 GMT -5
To be fair he pretty much used the some music ques from the first movie in both sequels... I don't see how it can be bad?
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 25, 2016 18:30:54 GMT -5
Star Trek Beyond (2016)
Well, it wasn't an abomination against Star Trek and its characters like the last one, but it certainly wasn't anything special or trying very hard. I guess "teamwork" passes off as themes these days. Favorite part was probably the first few minutes with Kirk's voiceover Captain's Log. It was near-perfect. Too bad it had no carryover in mood.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 26, 2016 8:29:17 GMT -5
Another thing I wanted to mention: I loved Michael Giacchino's scores for the first two Abrams reboots (in fact, I'm listening to the '09 one right now), but his Beyond score was kind of bland, to be honest. LOL. I was also listening to Trek '09 today. Actually, its been on rotation since Thursday. But I think Into Darkness and Beyond are equally bland. I love Giacchino, but dude is inconsistent. For a moment there, I thought you were gonna try to defend the Beyond score, haha. But Into Darkness has a lot of exciting action cues.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 26, 2016 13:24:24 GMT -5
The Star Trek films over their 13-picture run have always been a mix of the good (Wrath of Khan), the bad (Nemesis), and the ugly (Final Frontier). I'm certainly a fan of the Abrams efforts and they were certainly the much needed jumpstart for the then-dormant franchise in 2009. While Into Darkness wasn't on its predecessor's level, I was still drawn into the epic scale and playful banter between the characters enough to find it enjoyable despite some bloated narrative issues. Needless to say I was excited for Star Trek Beyond to continue the successful run that the franchise has seen. Hell, I don't think there's ever been back-to-back Star Trek films that were good (no, Search for Spock is not a good movie, not bad either but markedly disappointing to be sure) so the franchise is on something of a winning streak I suppose. Unfortunately, Star Trek Beyond is another step backwards from the 2009 entry and, while not a total misfire, doesn't do anything special with Justin Lin in the director's chair. One of the disappointing aspects of Star Trek Beyond is how well it sets itself up early on for strong drama. Captain Kirk (Chris Pine) is growing weary of space travel and intergalactic diplomacy (it's just so 2216, ya know?) and is pondering stepping down from the captain's chair. Spock (Zachary Quinto) is also having reservations about continuing with Star Fleet while he attempts to juggle his romantic relationship. I thought there would be more elements in regards to each of these subplots, but they're essentially established and then brushed aside until becoming slightly relevant again later on the film. While Beyond certainly has a large emphasis on character development and interactions than the overall plot, especially in comparison with the two prior films, it rarely elevates itself to more of the same playful exchanges we've already seen. The cast does their usual good job in the film, but you can't help but feel that for a film that favors characters over plot that there aren't any revelations made or interesting twists and turns. It plays itself far too safe, and for the third film with this cast it just isn't enough to shake the feeling of the same old song and dance. The plot as well never reaches any heights, and despite an interesting twist emerging later on it arrives too late and as a result bears little impact on the audience. In Krall (Idris Elba) they had a potentially fun and interesting villain, but his character never really plants his feet and takes over like we saw Eric Bana and Benedict Cumberbatch do in the previous installments. The film's plot seems to be a checklist of scenarios to scoot us along to the obvious showdown between Krall and Kirk, and there never seems to be any real intrigue drubbed up in Krall's overall plans or devices of destruction. Justin Lin is not someone who impresses me, especially in regards to plot. When your most acclaimed film is a Fast and the Furious movie, I'm not jumping out of my seat. He basically makes a carbon copy aesthetic of Abrams' work, and the film never seems to embody any unique flavor or life that Lin is supposed to be bringing. I have no problem with the plot being scaled down, but the issue there is that Lin isn't strong in storytelling and it shows. He does shine when he does what he's known for; action scenes with lots of cool set pieces being whipped around and destroyed. The scene of the Enterprise being destroyed was probably the best part of the film, and everything from the practical stunt work to the CGI was top-notch. Unfortunately the action is never able to reach the awe and danger that it should because the plot runs so thin it's hard to remain invested because we know how the film will play itself out. Despite positives stemming from the strong work by the cast and some impressive technical prowess, Star Trek Beyond is a character-driven piece that never shines any new light on its characters despite setting itself up to do so and has a thin plot and villain to drag the whole thing down. Star Trek Beyond is entertaining and far from a bad film, but it's a mediocre one because of the potential that it wastes and the lack of anything fresh or interesting from Justin Lin in the director's chair. 6/10
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Post by Dracula on Jul 31, 2016 13:54:15 GMT -5
Saw it today, mostly liked it, will get around to a full review. Had a thought while watching though and wanted to throw it out there right away. Forgive me if this has been brought up earlier. So the stated philosophical conflict in the movie is whether there's more strength in unity or in individualism. However, the person arguing against unity is in fact in charge of an alien species that is extremely unified, like, to the point where they literally have a hive mind... and Starfleet proceeds to exploit that uber-unity in order to massacre their fleet at the end...
Not saying this makes me hate the movie or anything, but... maybe it should?
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 31, 2016 14:37:28 GMT -5
I think "philosophical conflict" is generous phrasing for "Yay! Teamwork!", but yeah I'd say that's a decent point.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 3, 2016 18:05:28 GMT -5
Star Trek Beyond(7/31/2016)
To say I was way less excited for Star Trek Beyond than I should have been for a goddamn Star Trek movie is a pretty big understatement. I say that as someone who has a pretty high tolerance for bad Star Trek. Like, as much as I like the old Star Trek TV series I’m kind of the first to admit that something like a third of the episodes of the various series kind of suck and half of the original cast and Next Generation movie adaptations (the odd ones) are comparatively weak. However, as inconsistent as Star Trek has been in the past it’s always felt like it was done in the right spirit and had a charm that carried it and that is the problem with the recent reboots of the franchise. J.J. Abram’s first Star Trek was extremely well received in 2009 but I wasn’t so impressed. I liked it but I didn’t think it was anything too special and I feel like its legacy has more or less borne that out. People generally don’t hate it but very few people look back on it as some kind of classic of the 2000s… it’s kind of been forgotten. Then there was its sequel Star Trek Into Darkness, a movie that wasn’t bad so much as it was brought down by some really bad ideas. It had the look and feel of a superior sequel but there were aspects of it that were just too stupid to be overlooked and forgiven. Then it was announced that J.J. Abrams would be leaving the franchise to helm some other science fiction series that was probably more in touch with his sensibilities, to which I was about ready to say “good riddance” but he was then replaced by Justin Lin, who was most famous for having directed four straight entries of the “The Fast and The Furious” franchise. Now, I enjoy the F&F movies to some degree and I do think Lin was good for that series, but nothing about that resume screams “this guy will bring the cerebral back to the series” and the trailers that followed seemed to suggest as much. As such I skipped the movie its opening weekend and waited a whole week to see it… which saying it doesn’t seem that punitive… but to have me being so nonchalant about seeing a Trek movie means a lot about how far my expectations have fallen.
Star Trek Beyond picks up a couple of years after the end of “Into Darkness” and the crew of the enterprise has finally started on their famous five year mission to boldly go where no one has gone before. We open with Kirk (Chris Pine) on a diplomatic mission to deliver a peace offering to a group of aliens who are not terribly receptive to it and ends up beaming back to his ship with the artifact and return to the Yorktown Space Station. Soon after they arrive a ship of unknown origin comes racing to the station broadcasting a mayday call sign. The alien woman on board explains that she is the last survivor of a mission on a planet hidden behind a nebula and that the rest of her crew is still there in need of saving. Because of its advanced navigational equipment the Enterprise is selected to embark with this woman on a rescue mission but soon finds that there’s more going on on this planet than meets the eye and that they are heading toward grave danger.
Star Trek Beyond has one major advantage over its two predecessor films: it has the origin story 100% out of the way. Kirk is the captain of the enterprise and he’s finally over his youthful arrogance and no longer acts like a cocky teenager. The film is no longer dwelling on the alternate universe thing established by the first film and it generally isn’t trying to be too clever by half this time around. In many ways this makes the film feel more like the original TV series than the other movies and can be roughly compared to one of the show’s standalone episodes where an away crew explores some crazy planet with some weird thing happening on the surface. This is not the worst approach to take all things considered and reminded me a bit of the “bigger than average TV episode” approach that worked well enough for Star Trek III: The Search for Spock and Star Trek: Insurrection. Given that this series kind of needed to step back and course correct I don’t mind the decision, but it does mean that there’s sort of a cap on how much could be accomplished by the movie.
The action scenes in this movie are… well most of them are very good but none of them are really GREAT. Justin Lin has set aside most of the crazy stunt work that he employed in the Fast and Furious series but has maintained his knack for solid blocking and choreography. There’s a very good scene early in the film which has the Enterprise at its most vulnerable as well as a pretty cool fight at the end. All of that is consistently fun but none of these are actions scenes for the ages that people will be talking about years from now. The movie is also saddled with some of the usual summer blockbuster action movie drawbacks as well. The villain’s motivations do not really make all that much sense for one thing and much of the film’s plot hinges on the characters chasing around an ill-defined McGuffin. What’s more the film’s meager attempts to engage in Star Trekian philosophizing kind of fall on their face. There’s a sort of debate established between Uhura and the villain about whether or not Starfleet’s unity makes it strong, with the villain arguing that their unity makes them weak. Interesting concept but one at odds with the rest of the film. This villain who seems to hate unity so much is actually in charge of an army that operates on a hive mind which is pretty much unity writ large and, without giving too much away, this unity emphatically does not make this army more strong.
So what does this installment say about the state of Star Trek and about its new director Justin Lin. It’s a little hard to compare this to the previous two Star Trek movies in that in some ways I think more highly of it simply because there are fewer things in it that piss me off. I don’t know, I don’t want to encourage franchise filmmakers to be less ambitious but it is nice to see one that is able to relax a little and isn’t desperately trying to surpass its predecessor in every way. It’s the kind of approach that I kind of wish the James Bond movies would start taking, that’s a series that is really at its best when it isn’t trying to upset the applecart. As for Justin Lin, he maybe benefits a little less from this approach. The movie is certainly well crafted, but we already knew he could capably craft a blockbuster. This would have been a perfect vehicle to show that there was more to Lin than simple craftsmanship and that he could craft a blockbuster that was capable of reaching a bit higher and I think he kind of squandered it. Still, this is coming out in what feels like a historically lame summer movie season and this isn’t the best of time to be too picky about our entertainments.
***1/2 out of Five
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Post by RedVader on Aug 3, 2016 19:22:38 GMT -5
Some people focus on how much the movies make money wise for it too be a good film. More people need too just watch and review movies because remember in the older days when movies made less at the box office and movies were based on acting, story and cast.
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