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Post by Neverending on Jul 8, 2016 14:31:32 GMT -5
Westbrook is a combo guard, but one that needs the ball in his hands a lot. That might not work with a team on the cusp, like the Raptors or Celtics or other teams. Dallas could make a play for him, they're lacking in the PG department. Westbrook is immensely talented, but his playing style isn't going to work on every team. Mark Cuban would love him. |
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Post by Neverending on Jul 11, 2016 11:51:21 GMT -5
SnoBorderZeroTim Duncan retired. Get ready for all the Kobe vs Duncan discussions.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 11, 2016 12:35:02 GMT -5
Duncan had the better career. Kobe played on some real lousy Lakers team, even before these last two. Duncan retired with like a .710 winning percentage, that's nuts. Sure, Duncan had better teams and didn't wear himself out carrying the team like Kobe did, but Duncan had the better career. Greatest power forward of all time as well.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 11, 2016 13:23:49 GMT -5
Duncan had the better career. Kobe played on some real lousy Lakers team, even before these last two. Duncan retired with like a .710 winning percentage, that's nuts. Sure, Duncan had better teams and didn't wear himself out carrying the team like Kobe did, but Duncan had the better career. Greatest power forward of all time as well. Duncan had the better career. Kobe had the better legacy. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 11, 2016 15:01:01 GMT -5
Debatable, Kobe was a more polarizing figure who played in Los Angeles. Duncan avoided the spotlight and could care less.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 11, 2016 15:25:50 GMT -5
Debatable, Kobe was a more polarizing figure who played in Los Angeles. Duncan avoided the spotlight and could care less. The Spurs are the most boring post-Bill Russell championship team. THAT'S Duncan's legacy. Kobe, love him or hate him, was a true star player in the 2nd most successful basketball franchise of all-time. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 11, 2016 15:34:46 GMT -5
Boring? Winning basketball is never boring, only casual millennials say that. They win, that's all that matters. We've seen flashy players come and go because they lack fundamentals, you can thank AAU for the Josh Smiths and Javale McGees of the world. No thanks, I'll take Spurs basketball over that shit any day. Come on bro, you're better than that.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 11, 2016 15:51:51 GMT -5
The 1999 Finals were a snoozefest. Next to Rockets defeating the Magic in 1995, it's arguably the least interesting Finals of the 90's. The 2003 Finals were equally as unmemorable. 2007? Did anyone even bother to watch the whole thing? And 2014... I guess that was mildly interesting. 2005 is really the only Finals that matter. That match-up with the Piston's is one of the best of the 2000's, if not THE best. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 11, 2016 16:17:24 GMT -5
Ok true, 1999 and 2007 were jokes because of the Spurs' dominance. 2005 was amazing. And the showdowns with the Heat were definitely memorable. Definitely the better career over Kobe.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 11, 2016 16:28:24 GMT -5
Ok true, 1999 and 2007 were jokes because of the Spurs' dominance. Fucked up that Patrick Ewing never got a ring. Barkley too, but with Barkley, it made sense. He had bad timing. He gets drafted by the 76ers a year after they win and then he signs with the Rockets a year after THEY win. Memorable... but not cause THEY made it memorable. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 11, 2016 16:38:20 GMT -5
Barkley shouldn't be calling out Durant for ring chasing, he did the same thing with the Rockets.
Of course the Spurs made it memorable. They played great in both years, if it wasn't for Ray Allen hitting that ridiculous Duncan would have 6 titles.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 11, 2016 17:49:41 GMT -5
Barkley shouldn't be calling out Durant for ring chasing, he did the same thing with the Rockets. LOL... no? Michael Jordan was back and the Bulls won. Barkley wasn't chasing rings. He just wanted a trip. Ray Allen is the only thing people remember from those Finals. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 12, 2016 10:05:08 GMT -5
Barkley was chasing rings, he joined the 2-time defending champs to try to get one. Sure, he didn't lose to the Rockets in the playoffs the year before (or did he, can't remember) but still he has no right to call out Durant.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 12, 2016 17:43:53 GMT -5
Barkley was chasing rings, he joined the 2-time defending champs to try to get one. Sure, he didn't lose to the Rockets in the playoffs the year before (or did he, can't remember) but still he has no right to call out Durant. The Rockets won 2 championships cause Michael Jordan was playing baseball. Barkley wasn't dillusional enough to think he could win. He just wanted a trip. And ultimately, it didn't matter. The Rockets haven't been in the Finals since 1995. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 12, 2016 17:52:10 GMT -5
Barkley was chasing rings, he joined the 2-time defending champs to try to get one. Sure, he didn't lose to the Rockets in the playoffs the year before (or did he, can't remember) but still he has no right to call out Durant. The Rockets won 2 championships cause Michael Jordan was playing baseball. Barkley wasn't dillusional enough to think he could win. He just wanted a trip. And ultimately, it didn't matter. The Rockets haven't been in the Finals since 1995. In 1995 Michael Jordan lost to the Orlando Magic in the playoffs. The Rockets SWEPT the Magic in the NBA Finals that year, so your argument has no merit. |
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Post by Neverending on Jul 12, 2016 17:57:32 GMT -5
The Rockets won 2 championships cause Michael Jordan was playing baseball. Barkley wasn't dillusional enough to think he could win. He just wanted a trip. And ultimately, it didn't matter. The Rockets haven't been in the Finals since 1995. In 1995 Michael Jordan lost to the Orlando Magic in the playoffs. The Rockets SWEPT the Magic in the NBA Finals that year, so your argument has no merit. Jordan came back in March 1995. Dude was rusty. The team was rusty. You can't expect the guy to return after 2 years in baseball and win a championship 3 months later. Plus, he was wearing #45. Can't expect the man to win with the wrong number. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 12, 2016 18:04:19 GMT -5
Excuses, Rockets swept the team that beat Jordan.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 12, 2016 18:05:56 GMT -5
Excuses, Rockets swept the team that beat Jordan. And where were they in 96, 97 and 98? |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 12, 2016 18:09:03 GMT -5
Excuses, Rockets swept the team that beat Jordan. And where were they in 96, 97 and 98? Barkley and Pippen blew it. |
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Post by Neverending on Aug 9, 2016 4:15:16 GMT -5
SnoBorderZeroDid you see the Orlando Magic 30 for 30? First of, Horace Grant should have never left Chicago. Biggest blunder in NBA history? Contender for sure. Would the Magic have actually won a championship? Difficult to tell. They definitely wouldn't have won in 96 and 97 and Penny Hardaway DID fuck up his knee. Shaq says he regrets leaving Orlando, but dude's talking shit. Kobe was in his prime during 2000-03 and he had Phil Jackson as his coach. Leaving was his best option. The legacy of that Shaq era Magic is that a young team got too cocky. I know you're a die hard Rockets fan, but the Magic COULD have won in 95. They just weren't there mentally. I think that was the theme of the documentary. Young teams don't win championships - usually, anyway. You gotta wait your turn. You gotta get that experience. You gotta be in the right mental state. 95 Magic. That's a cautionary tale.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 9, 2016 9:48:02 GMT -5
I didn't see it but I'll check it out. We had Hakeem in HIS prime, he had done his waiting and he was ready to grab those titles. Those Magic teams were definitely a lot of fun and no one would've been surprised if they had won a title, but with Penny's injuries and Shaq's departure they were already battling a short window to begin with.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 9, 2016 11:28:47 GMT -5
I didn't see it but I'll check it out. We had Hakeem in HIS prime, he had done his waiting and he was ready to grab those titles. Those Magic teams were definitely a lot of fun and no one would've been surprised if they had won a title, but with Penny's injuries and Shaq's departure they were already battling a short window to begin with. If Shaq had never left, MAYBE they could have won in 99. MAYBE. But I don't think they could have had the same legacy as the Kobe-Shaq Lakers of the early 2000's. Shaq made the right call to leave. And Horace should have stayed in Chicago. He could have won 3 more championships. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 9, 2016 11:30:47 GMT -5
Yeah, Grant should never have left. Shaq was pretty dominant then and possibly could have won a title in Orlando, but you're right that he shouldn't regret leaving for the Lakers. With the Magic he could've gotten one title, definitely not 3.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 9, 2016 11:41:27 GMT -5
Yeah, Grant should never have left. Shaq was pretty dominant then and possibly could have won a title in Orlando, but you're right that he shouldn't regret leaving for the Lakers. With the Magic he could've gotten one title, definitely not 3. It sounds like he had more fun in Orlando. Penny's ego wasn't as bad as Kobe and the rest of the team indulged his shenanigans. As an old man reminiscing, he's like, "yeah, I should have never left Orlando. Those were the fun days." But he would have never won more than a single championship. His heart is in Orlando, but his ego is in Los Angeles. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Aug 9, 2016 12:31:23 GMT -5
Yup, he made the right choice. He could've goofed around and been a Dwight Howard but instead wanted to be a champ.
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