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Post by Jibbs on May 9, 2016 20:54:02 GMT -5
No, you're right, the first half was pretty boring.
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Post by Fanible on May 9, 2016 22:31:22 GMT -5
I didn't feel like the action was that way throughout the movie, but it definitely was in the beginning. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it. It actually had me quite worried at first. I've seen the movie twice now, and I asked my wife to look out for it the second time, as she didn't understand what I was talking about after the first viewing. It's a little hard to describe. I didn't like the shaky cam either, but there was this weird motion blur going on, like they used a peculiar frame rate to shoot at for the opening action scene(s) in Nigeria.
Most of the rest of the action in the movie felt more in line with Winter Soldier (less shaky and fuzzy), so I figure the opening scenes were the ones that the Russos had the John Wick directors come in to shoot.
But despite that and the giant white location text (oh and the weird scene where the guy was drowning but his head didn't look like it was under the water), I enjoyed the movie quite a lot. Ant-Man and Spider-Man were my favorites I think.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 9, 2016 22:51:55 GMT -5
Okay, glad I'm not the only one who didn't like that.
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Post by FShuttari on May 10, 2016 0:01:00 GMT -5
The 3D seemed way too dark when I saw in iMax. Me and my wife could barely make out what was happening in the final battle since the entire fight is set in a dark underground facility.
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Post by Fanible on May 10, 2016 2:15:33 GMT -5
Both the RealD 3D and IMAX 3D showings I saw looked fine. One or both of the bulbs in the projector were probably going bad. I can't imagine they would have had them dialed down (which they're not allowed to do anyway), considering IMAX is the one that takes care of repair and replacement costs. Then again you do lose out on ticket sales while you wait for them to come out for the repair, which last I knew, IMAX doesn't cover for any losses.
I would have mentioned it, but then again I'm uber picky when I go to the movies. IMAX has the brightest 3D projection, though, so it definitely shouldn't have been happening.
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Post by FShuttari on May 10, 2016 2:31:30 GMT -5
Whatever the case maybe, it definitely could have used a bit of brightness... Funny thing is BvS looked fine, which is the last movie I saw in the same Imax.
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Post by Deexan on May 10, 2016 7:55:04 GMT -5
I kinda liked the opening fight, sped up frame rate et al. Guess I'm in the minority.
Made the superheroes feel...supererer.
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Post by Wyldstaar on May 10, 2016 9:15:00 GMT -5
I discovered that one of my local theaters has the new D-Box seats, so I decided to find out what those are like. It was interesting. The seats move and vibrate on their own to match action on the screen. When Bucky is on a motorcycle weaving in and out of traffic, you weave with him. Even so, at $20 I don't think I'll be doing that again. You would think that people who are willing to pay $20 to see a movie would stay off their F-ing cell phones and watch the damn movie, but no.
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Post by blaster1 on May 10, 2016 23:29:42 GMT -5
I discovered that one of my local theaters has the new D-Box seats, so I decided to find out what those are like. It was interesting. The seats move and vibrate on their own to match action on the screen. When Bucky is on a motorcycle weaving in and out of traffic, you weave with him. Even so, at $20 I don't think I'll be doing that again. You would think that people who are willing to pay $20 to see a movie would stay off their F-ing cell phones and watch the damn movie, but no. Exactly! People like that should stay home and wait for the home video.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 10, 2016 23:52:18 GMT -5
Just recently in preparation for this film, I watched the remaining Marvel Studios films that I had yet to see. For the most part, they were on par with the other productions by the studio; well made on a technical level, and while not exactly risk takers or game changers, they have a certain charm due mostly to the consistent casting of charismatic leads and never taking themselves too seriously. Of these films, Captain America: The Winter Soldier was clearly, for me, the best of the bunch. It had a polish and political tone that was bolstered by impressive action sequences and a reliance on practical effects to dazzle, not CGI. So for the first time since I was 11 and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man came out, I was excited going into a Marvel film. And I'm happy to say that it did not disappoint.
I am usually a bit leery of films, namely action-oriented ones, that look to juggle a large cast of characters. Typically we whoosh along several characters and their plot lines and end up not caring about a single one of them. I felt that way about both of The Avengers films that seemed to mistake constant banter between the characters as development. By the time both films reach the final act and are literally just pummeling one wave of disposable bad guys after another, I was so uninterested and eager for them to wrap up. In contrast, I was very impressed with how Captain America: Civil War juggled this element. While the characters such as Captain America and Iron Man have long been established, they did a solid job bringing members of the cast in scene by scene instead of just throwing all of them in there immediately or, far worse, having them just pop up at random moments to save the day or other contrived beats. The highlight is again whenever Steve Rogers and Tony Stark interact, but the rest of the cast do solid jobs in expressing their own viewpoints and hesitations on the world governments' attempt to control The Avengers. For me, the film never loses itself amidst its large cast, and never shoehorns the characters in either. In fact, the arrival of both Ant-Man and Spider-Man in particular were very funny, and the two provide a lot of presence in their short screen times. This film does a much better job of juggling characters than either Avengers film did, and it makes Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice look even worse in retrospect when that film couldn't even handle three characters with any tact.
The Russo Bros. again bring the same taut action sequences that they displayed in Winter Solider. There are a lot of very good scenes in this film with highlights including a fight on a staircase and a chase sequence through Berlin. I've been very pleased by the recent trend that seems to be resurfacing and working to great effect with films like Mad Max: Fury Road and Star Wars: The Force Awakens where filmmakers are trying to do anything they can with practical effects. Nothing reeks of half-assed filmmaking more than an over reliance on CGI instead of a balance of the two, and Civil War is another step in the right direction of hopefully nixing this altogether. Everything just looks so much more seamless in this and Winter Soldier than say the two Thor films, and it really makes a big difference in immersing the viewer into the atmosphere. There's just more attention to detail when production is done this way, and no one can accuse the Russo Bros. of resting on laurels and not being fully invested in the film.
Of course the epic clash of these characters is what we all came to see, and the film does not disappoint there either. The action isn't mindless or repetitive, but it doesn't come and go quickly like the highly disappointing bout between Batman and Superman earlier this year. The sequence epitomizes the best quality of these recent Marvel films; a lot of hard hitting action blended with funny quips and sight gags. I'm all for films that are pure entertainment as long as they don't become mindless drones of themselves, lost within one dull action sequence after another. Call it a formula, but Civil War has tapped into that formula and executed better than its predecessors, and the result is likely the most entertaining and thrilling blockbuster of the summer.
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Post by Doomsday on May 11, 2016 2:23:05 GMT -5
Just got out of it, I think B+ would be a good score. Not as good as Winter Soldier but better than every other Marvel movie. I'll post more about it in the morning.
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Post by RedVader on May 11, 2016 13:20:23 GMT -5
Just recently in preparation for this film, I watched the remaining Marvel Studios films that I had yet to see. For the most part, they were on par with the other productions by the studio; well made on a technical level, and while not exactly risk takers or game changers, they have a certain charm due mostly to the consistent casting of charismatic leads and never taking themselves too seriously. Of these films, Captain America: The Winter Soldier was clearly, for me, the best of the bunch. It had a polish and political tone that was bolstered by impressive action sequences and a reliance on practical effects to dazzle, not CGI. So for the first time since I was 11 and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man came out, I was excited going into a Marvel film. And I'm happy to say that it did not disappoint. I am usually a bit leery of films, namely action-oriented ones, that look to juggle a large cast of characters. Typically we whoosh along several characters and their plot lines and end up not caring about a single one of them. I felt that way about both of The Avengers films that seemed to mistake constant banter between the characters as development. By the time both films reach the final act and are literally just pummeling one wave of disposable bad guys after another, I was so uninterested and eager for them to wrap up. In contrast, I was very impressed with how Captain America: Civil War juggled this element. While the characters such as Captain America and Iron Man have long been established, they did a solid job bringing members of the cast in scene by scene instead of just throwing all of them in there immediately or, far worse, having them just pop up at random moments to save the day or other contrived beats. The highlight is again whenever Steve Rogers and Tony Stark interact, but the rest of the cast do solid jobs in expressing their own viewpoints and hesitations on the world governments' attempt to control The Avengers. For me, the film never loses itself amidst its large cast, and never shoehorns the characters in either. In fact, the arrival of both Ant-Man and Spider-Man in particular were very funny, and the two provide a lot of presence in their short screen times. This film does a much better job of juggling characters than either Avengers film did, and it makes Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice look even worse in retrospect when that film couldn't even handle three characters with any tact. The Russo Bros. again bring the same taut action sequences that they displayed in Winter Solider. There are a lot of very good scenes in this film with highlights including a fight on a staircase and a chase sequence through Berlin. I've been very pleased by the recent trend that seems to be resurfacing and working to great effect with films like Mad Max: Fury Road and Star Wars: The Force Awakens where filmmakers are trying to do anything they can with practical effects. Nothing reeks of half-assed filmmaking more than an over reliance on CGI instead of a balance of the two, and Civil War is another step in the right direction of hopefully nixing this altogether. Everything just looks so much more seamless in this and Winter Soldier than say the two Thor films, and it really makes a big difference in immersing the viewer into the atmosphere. There's just more attention to detail when production is done this way, and no one can accuse the Russo Bros. of resting on laurels and not being fully invested in the film. Of course the epic clash of these characters is what we all came to see, and the film does not disappoint there either. The action isn't mindless or repetitive, but it doesn't come and go quickly like the highly disappointing bout between Batman and Superman earlier this year. The sequence epitomizes the best quality of these recent Marvel films; a lot of hard hitting action blended with funny quips and sight gags. I'm all for films that are pure entertainment as long as they don't become mindless drones of themselves, lost within one dull action sequence after another. Call it a formula, but Civil War has tapped into that formula and executed better than its predecessors, and the result is likely the most entertaining and thrilling blockbuster of the summer. 8/10 I would not consider Wonder Womens role in B V S as being a third person movie. 17 Minutes of overall screen time hardly can you be left with a full scope of the character. Superman however is another issue because he has is like a machine when he speaks. Only WW and Batman seem too have any real emotion.
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Post by Doomsday on May 11, 2016 13:27:01 GMT -5
Since most of you reading this have already seen it and we know exactly what to expect, instead of typing paragraphs I'll make bullets of what I liked and what I didn't like. What I liked: -The Winter Soldier. He's probably the best, most interesting and all around coolest character in the Marvel film universe. Anytime he's on the screen you know something good is about to happen. -Captain America vs. Iron Man. I enjoyed the build-up and the payoff was great. -It's a Marvel movie. They know what people want and they give them just that. It's a great ride and I really like how they make make all these stories relate to each other while also showing the progression of each character. -I knew nothing about Black Panther and now I anxiously await his own movie next year. What I didn't like: -In a movie that's advertised as being an epic battle between two superhero titans, sometimes people get distracted and don't realize that there's not a whole lot to the actual story. Zemo's plan to destroy the Avengers doesn't make a whole lot of sense at all nor does his desire to find the other Winter Soldier's just to kill them. It worked because it's a movie but there's no way he could have known that some of the events would take place they way they would. It's Dark Knight syndrome, everything had to happen perfectly and exactly the way it was planned for any of it to work. In this case he also had to be psychic. -I enjoyed Captain America: The Winter Soldier because it was a good blend of intense action while keeping true to its comic book feel. It felt serious while not being unenjoyable and bleak. To date it's the the Marvel movie that does it the best. Civil War does have some heavy themes and sequences but there is certainly more of the goofy, light-hearted fare that didn't seem entirely necessary. The Avengers fight at the airport was supposed to be one of the key scenes of the film however when watching Black Widow and Hawkeye were tossing friendly one-liners at each other and Ant-Man became a 70 foot behemoth with Spider-Man tying up his legs it just felt like it belonged in another movie. Compare that to the hardcore slug-fest between Cap and Iron Man where it felt like there were actual stakes and that they were intent on killing each other. The tone of the movie just felt inconsistent to me which I think is it's main problem. -Each Marvel movie seems to take another step toward the fantastical. Iron Man was about a rich guy who built a suit but it felt grounded. Now we have massive underwater bases, jungle labs and hideaways and superheroes who can run faster than cars. It's just a personal nitpick but as these movies go on they seem to exist more and more outside the real world. Existing in the real world is what makes them fun.
Those minor criticisms aside I thought it was a great ride. It's a very worthy successor to Captain America 2 and although I prefer that movie I think Civil War makes a worthy #2 on the Marvel list. Why they just didn't make it an Avengers movie I don't know but it doesn't matter, it's certainly the comic book film of the year. B+ so says Doomsday
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Post by RedVader on May 11, 2016 13:33:40 GMT -5
Who do you feel was right or wrong Cap or Iron Man or do you think Zemo and Ross seperately played the avengers but obviously not on the same team. I think that Ross had that women confront Stark or set there Meeting up too get too Starks confidence.
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Post by Doomsday on May 11, 2016 13:34:03 GMT -5
My quick and dirty list of the MCU films ranked.
Captain America: The Winter Soldier Captain America: Civil War The Avengers Guardians of the Galaxy Iron Man Ant-Man Avengers: Age of Ultron Iron Man 2 Thor Iron Man 3 Captain America: The First Avenger Thor: The Dark World
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Post by RedVader on May 11, 2016 14:11:33 GMT -5
My Movies Go In This Order
Here is My Overall Comic Book Movie and My MCU list
MCU List
1 Avengers 2 Iron Man 3 Guardians Of The Galaxy 4 Captain America 2 Winter Soldier 5 Avengers Age Of Ultron 6 The Incredible Hulk 7 Captain America Civil War 8 Iron Man 3 9 Ant Man 10 Captain America 1 11 Thor 2 The Dark World 12 Iron Man 2 13 Thor.
All Time Comic Book List
1 The Dark Knight 2 Batman 89 3 Spiderman 4 Avengers 5 Batman Begins 6 Iron Man 7 Spiderman 2 8 Guardians Of The Galaxy 9 Captain America Winter Soldier 10 The Dark Kinght Rises 11 X-Men Fist Class 13 Deadpool 14 Avengers Age Of Ultron 15 Batman Returns 16 Batman vs Superman Dawn Of Justice 17 Captain America Civil War. 18 X-Men 2 X-Men United.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on May 11, 2016 15:59:09 GMT -5
I would not consider Wonder Womens role in B V S as being a third person movie. 17 Minutes of overall screen time hardly can you be left with a full scope of the character. Superman however is another issue because he has is like a machine when he speaks. Only WW and Batman seem too have any real emotion. Well she had about the same duration of screen time as Spider-Man did, and we got a whole lot more out of Spider-Man than we did her in that film. That movie looks so much worse than it even did in February, where it already looked like shit. I could only imagine how much worse the reviews would be if the release dates had been reversed.
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Post by RedVader on May 11, 2016 17:04:56 GMT -5
Do remember that in WW actual movie a whole differant director and crew will be involved in that movie. I think WW with Gal was best thing casting wise and i was the biggest hater of Gal as WW when I hear she was casted.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 11, 2016 18:18:49 GMT -5
Dooms, your minor criticisms dont seem so minor to me, especially the tone inconsistency. I'm surprised you liked it so much after reading that.
Also, you really think Winter Soldier is best character? He's so lame!
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Post by Doomsday on May 11, 2016 18:26:00 GMT -5
I did like watching it, don't get me wrong. It's a very fun popcorn movie, I just felt like I was being rubbed the wrong way while watching those scenes due to the tone. It certainly didn't ruin the movie, it just could have used some polish, maybe a couple more conversations of 'what are we trying to convey with this installment?'
And you don't like Bucky? He just kicks ass all the time, you can't argue with that.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 11, 2016 18:44:17 GMT -5
I'm surprised anyone likes Bucky.
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Post by Fanible on May 11, 2016 18:55:25 GMT -5
The guys running faster than cars was little weird. It can be argued that Bucky and Cap were enhanced, so I can suspend my disbelief there, but what about Black Panther? I'm not familiar with the character, so is he different somehow? Does his suit do more than give him protection?
*After looking into it I guess he is. At least in the comics, Black Panther has experimented with different things that increases his strength, speed, and senses.
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Post by filmjerk on May 11, 2016 22:18:05 GMT -5
Black Panther was the best character from all this. Everytime he came on screen, I kept telling myself "He's a badass". Im not familiar with the character, but from what I saw, he looks like he can hold his own against anyone here. It sucks we wont see him again for another 2 years.
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Post by Deexan on May 11, 2016 22:49:36 GMT -5
I feel like Bucky would be more relatable if another guy played him. He's too - for want of a better word - emo to get behind, a lot of the time. I find their friendship cute though.
And the bit in the car about moving the seat forward drew a lol that I just remembered.
I also agree with what somebody else said (may have been another forum) about the unlikeliness of Tony going from being fully anti-establishment to towing the party line purely because of one mother of a dead son.
Q: Who was the guy Cap took on in Lagos? Should we remember him from a previous movie?
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Post by blaster1 on May 11, 2016 23:09:02 GMT -5
I feel like Bucky would be more relatable if another guy played him. He's too - for want of a better word - emo to get behind, a lot of the time. I find their friendship cute though. And the bit in the car about moving the seat forward drew a lol that I just remembered. I also agree with what somebody else said (may have been another forum) about the unlikeliness of Tony going from being fully anti-establishment to towing the party line purely because of one mother of a dead son. Q: Who was the guy Cap took on in Lagos? Should we remember him from a previous movie? Crossbones was Rumlow from Winter Soldier. He fought Falcon/Wilson at the end of the film before the building collapsed on him.
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