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Post by Deexan on May 5, 2016 18:50:44 GMT -5
So first off let me begin by saying that I've been avoiding the recently updated Winter Soldier review thread as I for some reason thought it was the review thread for this movie. Now that my idiocy is out of the way, let this critique begin in earnest. If Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier Part 2 is what you're after, you've come to the right place. Everything about this feels just like its predecessor, as expected. I'll leave our resident reviewers-in-chief to deal with the plot, but suffice it to say that the UN has decided that the Avengers must work under the command of the free world or retire, causing a split in the camp. The sides, as you rightly guessed, are spearheaded by Iron Man and Cap, respectively. When a bomb that kills the instigator of the UN ruling implicates The Winter Soldier - AKA, Cap's old pal Bucky - an added layer of tension is added to the already spiky relations in the groups of Avengers. This is a really enjoyable movie. A tad overlong, though it's hard to argue against that, given all the characters involved. Personally, as much as I enjoy the Marvel Universe, I can't say that I find them very memorable - as exemplified when my friend asked me what happened in Cap 2 before we went in to the movie tonight (he'd only seen the first half) and I couldn't remember a bit of it. But whatever, if I was 16 no doubt these flicks would be "da sickest fings in da world, yeah?" Yeah. The fight scenes, particularly the opening few in Lagos and the final face off between Tony and Cap were expertly choreographed and a feast for the eyes. I also applaud their ability to shoehorn so many damn characters into 2 and something hours - particular the seemingly-saturated character of Spider-Man, who they seem to have cast exquisitely. Emotionally, there wasn't a whole lot to get invested in. The final twist was heavily signposted and I still have some trouble shaking off certain facts like Cap going to all this trouble for his homicidal friend at the risk of everyone else. Fine, you're loyal, and he was your best friend when you figured out what wanking was or whatever, but surely what he has been through with Tony should eclipse all else. They fought off invading aliens from another galaxy, for fuck's sake. But whatever. I'm just thinking out loud. They had a narrative to see through to completion. What else? Oh yeah... Flawless FX, especially a scene with a young RDJ. Oh, now I remember what I wanted to say: the Vision is just the most ridiculous character to use in the way that they are. His actions make no sense and his powers are insufficiently explained. For instance, during the whole group face-off, he's behind Tony as they all run up to fight each other one-on-one. Then as people are getting blasted, thrown around and whatever else during a 5 minute sequence, he does nothing. Despite us previously being shown that he has some kind of insanely powerful abilities thanks to, y'know' the INFINITY STONE IN HIS FOREHEAD. He literally rocks up for the showdown at the OK Corral and when the guns go off he just stands at the back stroking his beard and letting the bullets pass through him because he's God or something? Fortunately, they brush that under the carpet with a decent Ant-Man moment. I'll give this a solid 8/10. Post-credit scenes: the first features Bucky's fate and the second features some extra Spider-Man. Tony gives him one of those cool light-up watches that shine a symbol on your wall. Lucky little scamp! Disappointed that there was no Dr. Strange.
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Post by FShuttari on May 6, 2016 11:58:39 GMT -5
Stupid phone app. I searched for a thread and looked for it too... I guess it needs to work out kinks. Anyways great intro to Spider-man and Black Panther, excited to see where those stories go. Also I love the final break down between caps and Stark over the revelation at the end. I don't blame Tony for trying to kill Bucky after that...
It was a losing battle for Caps and he knew it. Marvel is running on all fumes this year with Deadpool, Daredevil, and now Civil War... This might be one of the best years for Marvel. DC is lagging behind, they have no idea how to setup multiple storylines that take time to grow and mature. 9/10
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Post by Neverending on May 6, 2016 12:07:03 GMT -5
Thank you, Deexan , for creating this thread before FShuttari . You're doing God's work.
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Post by FShuttari on May 6, 2016 12:46:54 GMT -5
sigh... here comes Neverening the QUEEN of Comingsoon... Who also has never been laid.
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Post by Deexan on May 6, 2016 19:48:28 GMT -5
LOL @ Neverending's sexual frustration... it explains so much.
I can confirm that SS review checks out. Noone else refers to Cap as "Caps".
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Post by RedVader on May 7, 2016 4:10:42 GMT -5
What do you mean does anyone actually call Cap Steve at any point. Everyone calls Iron Man Tony seldom is Tony Called Iron Man. All these films Cap is called by his hero title. Bucky isnt called Winter Soldier. Blackwidow is always called Natasha. Hank might be called Barton. I dont think Hank is called Hawkeye by the team is he. Its just odd that Steve is alone one basically always called his hero name. Cap.
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Post by RedVader on May 7, 2016 18:18:59 GMT -5
Saw The Movie about 2 Hours ago. Gave myself time too think on and process things. I honestly think I miss Joss Whedon when it comes too Group Action pieces in these movies. I gave the movie an 8 for just the awesomeness that was Black Panther and Spiderman. I did like the dynamic and maybe the process of Iron Man and Spiderman s relationship.
I went in thinking well Iron Man is just like always. By movies end you feel sorry for Iron Man and Tony and You Feel Sorry for Caps Soldiers left too rot in that Prison.
I think when Tony Saw Wanda in jail in shackles i think he was going too come around too Steve side. But then Zimo plan finished and we got a Broken unit. My feeling was that Cap is being very Cruel too Bucky cause I think Bucky would rather they kill him. Cap in a way is selfish. While i get what he is saying. I can even see is right about the Accords. He just turned it into not about anyone else but his little buddy.
The movie had good action but It was way too long for it not even being a Movie about the Civil War Comic but a movie titled. Help Me Keep Bucky Safe from Iron Man.
I know people are saying Stark was being Cruel and even racist too Wanda but she was in a place safe but now she is in a hell hole. Stark Never wanted them too be put there. Cap just didnt think what about the others. Saddest part is that it was all a trick the super solider danger and even Romanoff was not smart enough too catch it. Civil Wars made little since with No Fury to not step in just because of the universe they made here.
The movie has some cool moments and sad moments as well but really I gotta say its the worst Cap Movie but Id rank it 7th between Iron Man 3 and The Incredible Hulk.
May like it more after see it again but really I dont see where this is that much better then if Whedon had done civil war. People where saying this is what Avengers 2 should have been. Um No. Im even gonna say I liked Deadpool and even B V S better then this. I may be alone her but its how i feel.[./Spoiler] 8/10
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Post by thebtskink on May 7, 2016 18:45:57 GMT -5
Spoiler spoiler spoiler spoiler
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Post by RedVader on May 7, 2016 19:16:02 GMT -5
What spoilers all i see is a spoiler tag review. You sure your seeing things good.
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Post by thebtskink on May 7, 2016 21:59:03 GMT -5
My mistake
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Post by RedVader on May 7, 2016 22:08:10 GMT -5
Im just kidding you probably read it before put or i forgot briefly too put tags on it while you read it.
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Post by Jibbs on May 7, 2016 22:51:35 GMT -5
"Here's your shield, Captain America!"
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Post by RedVader on May 8, 2016 7:23:06 GMT -5
Can you be more specific about what you liked and what you didnt.
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Post by Jibbs on May 8, 2016 10:56:04 GMT -5
Nope.
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Post by Wyldstaar on May 8, 2016 11:06:41 GMT -5
I enjoyed Civil War a lot, but I don't feel it's as good as The Winter Soldier, which I still feel is the best MCU film to date. It is far superior to Age of Ultron though, so I continue to expect good things from the Russo brothers with the Infinity War movies. The introductions of Black Panther and Spidey were solid. Even though the recruitment of Spider-Man came out of nowhere, they still made it work. The philosophical differences between Iron Man and Captain America were handled deftly, with each given the time necessary to show the audience where they're coming from on the issue. As always, Marvel continues to find a perfect balance of action and humor. Bonus points for finally giving us a Spider-Man who uses an endless string of quips and banter while fighting in a movie. I would have liked to see better use of Agent 13, who has lots of potential, but was little more than a source of information to Cap, and the Russo's relied too much on the audience remembering her character from The Winter Soldier. While the villain was weak, he was not intended or needed to be strong. He's a manipulator and nothing more, and in that regard Zemo delivered.
8/10
At some point, I'll probably get into the inevitable comparison between Civil War and Batman v Superman, but I'll save that for another time.
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Post by Jibbs on May 8, 2016 11:18:16 GMT -5
I think Spider-Man finally being a kid really helped his character. Especially surrounded by adults.
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Post by RedVader on May 8, 2016 13:19:54 GMT -5
I think Peter and Tony had a good relationship. I know he blackmailed Peter but he made good lengths too make sure he wouldnt get hurt as bad. Loved The Black Panther as well.
I however would not say its totally Better or as good As Age Of Ultron. Ultron should have been more as a Villain. But I still prefer Whedons movie feel.To The Russos. Winter Soldier was pretty good but frankly Liked the first the best.
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Post by Deexan on May 8, 2016 17:43:54 GMT -5
It's the movie Ultron should and could have been.
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Post by RedVader on May 8, 2016 18:23:10 GMT -5
The Problem with Ultron was he didnt seem well frightning enough because he had this doppy grin on his face and also Ultron didnt look like an ant. My biggest problem with Ultron was that Hank Pym should have been the maker and Tony only the money man. Micheal Douglas and RDJ scenes would have been pure gold. Making Stark Make Ultron put too much grey onto Stark in my view.
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Post by Wyldstaar on May 8, 2016 20:53:15 GMT -5
Ultron didn't work as a villain in the MCU because he was reduced to being a stereotypical killer robot. Ultron's mind in the comics is based on that of his creator Hank Pym, which resulted in a number of very human character flaws that make him compelling to deal with. Ultron's mind in the MCU is just a combination of a JARVIS type operating system meant for world defense and a mental pattern gleaned from the Mind Stone, resulting in nothing more than Skynet incarnate. Generic killer robots can be fun, but that's what The Terminator franchise is for. Ultron is meant to be more.
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Post by RedVader on May 8, 2016 21:06:09 GMT -5
I Thought Spaders Voice was great for Ultron he was surpisingly Funny. I just didnt like his overall story where Tony was his father which left Stark in the MCU with a bunch of haters. My view point in Civil War is That Wanda voodoo on Starks Mind and The Factor Bucky Killed His Mom and Pepper leaves him. YOu cannot help but see a man mentally needing a break. But no Stark is too blame for eveything wrong with what Happens too the Avengers. Why is everything Tonys fault.
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Post by Jibbs on May 8, 2016 23:08:14 GMT -5
I liked Ultron because he was like Tony Stark but didn't notice it and took offense to the idea. Just like human offspring.
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Post by RedVader on May 8, 2016 23:44:07 GMT -5
I Liked The Confident These are my Toys Stark and You Cant have them. I did not reconize the Tony who would let any Gov tell him what too do. I think Tony will get his provado back by avengers when Ross and The Accords gets in his way and wont let Heroes do anything.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 9, 2016 20:18:42 GMT -5
sigh... here comes Neverening the QUEEN of Comingsoon... Who also has never been laid. Really?
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Post by IanTheCool on May 9, 2016 20:50:02 GMT -5
Superhero fatigue. That's the buzz word these days on most movie blogs and podcasts. Internet reviewers love to use it, and have jumped on the bandwagon of the phrase's overuse. It usually makes me roll my eyes, as it seems like an attempt to sound "above all that". But I have to admit... I may be starting to feel it.
I was quite bored with the first half of Civil War, which surprised me as I was genuinely excited for this movie, and have been more or less on board with the whole Marvel universe experiment. But things were starting to feel very familiar when this movie began. And it didn't help that I found the action scenes to be uninspired and poorly shot. I'm not sure if it was the cheap 3D or not, but the action felt jerky and rough, and not in a good Bourne way. It wasn't shaky cam, it was more... fuzzy? Either way, I didn't like it.
But the movie did start to pick up in the middle. The Civil War storyline was actually more well-conceived than I assumed it was going to be. That said, it did still feel odd that these crime-fighting partners would be at each other's throats so quickly. But they did try to deal with the collateral damage issue and the growing distrust of superheroes, and it mostly worked. They also added a late movie revelation which... well, didn't seem that organic to be honest. It really felt like it was there to get one last big fight out of Captain America and Iron Man, who beat on each other harder than they have ever beaten on the bad guys.
There's a lot of comic book characters in this movie. A LOT. Which admittedly is kind of fun. Age of Ultron had a lot too, but I felt that movie did a better job of balancing them all. Here... okay, it was good too. The only one who felt short changed was Ant-Man, who was awesome whenever he was around It just seemed that for a hero who already had his own movie, being relegated to such a small part, yet big enough not to be considered a cameo, was odd.
We also get introduced to Spider-Man. Again. This time they go all out in making him a 15 year old kid, like he started out. No doubt this will buy a lot of cred among the more particular nerds out there. And its sure to generate a lot of hyperbole about him being the best screen portrayal of Spidey to date. True, he was pretty great and added a fresh dynamic to our cast of well-known movie characters. But this movie still ain't no Spider-man 2.
Black Panther also had a cool intro to the MCU, and is definitely a character who I'd like to see a whole movie with. Vision is still... wow, I'm surprised they introduced Vision. He's really out there, and honestly he's a little too powerful to be entirely interesting. Iron Man is as solid as ever, Black Widow and the other 2nd tier avengers are still great sidekicks, and Bucky, well... he's there too.
There's one really great action scene that takes place on an airport tarmac. The set-up behind it seems pretty telegraphed (there's even a scene where the two teams actually line up on either side of a literal line in the ground). But the superhero action is well realized, giving us cool ideas like Ant-Man going inside Iron Man's suit, or Spidey trying to wrap up Cap in webs. All this kind of stuff is a lot of fun. (The poorly executed action motions seem to have dissipated at this point as well).
Civil War is much of the expected Marvel "stuff", with the twist that now they're fighting each other. And we get a whack load of characters. I can't say its always interesting, but the parts that are are quite entertaining. 7/10
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