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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jan 12, 2016 11:04:16 GMT -5
They kept misspelling Tatooine. Fail.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 26, 2016 18:00:47 GMT -5
Okay, I'm gonna post my blog series straight into here. I'm basically breaking down the problems with the prequels from my perspective as a SW fan and some ways they could have been better. It may be obvious to you all, but please feel free to comment/discuss. The Phantom Menace Jar Jar and the Gungans Lets get the obvious out of the way first. Jar Jar is the poster boy for the failings of the prequels, but why? Because he brings a level of silliness to these films that SW fans are simply not accustomed to. He steps in crap, gets numb tongue, and speaks so that you cannot understand him. He also doesn’t really provide much to the story other than introducing the Gungans as a whole, which isn’t really that important. This character needs to be toned down considerably. I know many people would like him removed altogether, but he could add an interesting alien aspect to the film if he was just re-imagined a little. Or… maybe its easier just not to have him at all. The Gungans have many of the same problems. I mean, the main guy shakes his head and spits slobber. Really? I like the look of the underwater city, and I like the idea of these two races having to join together to defeat a common enemy. But the Gungans are just so silly… Now, George Lucas’ defense for Jar Jar and the Gungans is that he says this is a kid’s movies, and that the Star Wars movies have always been for kids. Okay sure, but they’ve never been THIS kind of kid’s movie. They’ve never been this juvenile, and trying to make it so now just completely clashes with the other films. Acting and Dialogue I really don’t understand why Lucas had the actors play so stiffly. Its really brings the movie down. The worst offenders are Natalie Portman and Sam Jackson, but Ewan McGregor ain’t too hot either. The only one who is able to develop his role into an actual character is Liam Neeson. Everyone else is a cardboard cut-out. Lucas needs to just let them own their characters and make them unique, so we as an audience actually feel something for them. And lets face it, the script needs a total overhaul, preferably by someone who knows how to write naturally flowing dialogue. Most of these lines are so bloody clumsy my forehead hurts from all the slapping. Queen Amidala/ bodyguard decoy This was such a stupid aspect of the plot that needed to be removed entirely. It added nothing and it just made things unnecessarily confusing. There was simply no need for it. Just have Padme join the Tatooine expedition as the queen, its fine. Or, leave Padme as the handmaiden. She doesn’t NEED to be the queen just because she’s a central character.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 26, 2016 18:17:01 GMT -5
Phantom Menace should have never been made. Episode 1 should have been an entirely different movie. My suggestion would have been:
Obi-Wan and Anakin in the same age as Episode 2. No politics - at least not overtly. The rise of the Empire through military action. Maybe set up the Clone Wars. Amadala as a warrior Princess, like her future daughter. Liam Neeson as her dad - a general/King hybrid. Darth Maul as the main villain.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 26, 2016 18:28:48 GMT -5
If Darth Maul is the main villain, he has to be a LOT more interesting.
I'm okay with the politics, they just needed to be more intriguing.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 26, 2016 18:48:58 GMT -5
Anakin’s Character I’m not gonna rag on the kid’s acting, cause… he was a kid. But I can criticize the way the character was written. This is Anakin Skywalker, the man who would one day become Darth Vader. The entire concept of the prequels is centered around this character turn. But what we get here is a sweet, innocent kid, and they bend over backwards to make him seem altruistic and purely good. But this kid is gonna be Vader. There should be SOME seed of something that would one day turn him. And the mostly likely characteristic to use would be ambition. Show some of the kid’s ambition which would later lead to his corruption and quest for power. For example, the way that Qui-Gon finds Anakin is really random happenstance. Maybe there could be some way that Anakin seeks him out instead. Another opportunity is during the space battle at the end of the movie. Instead of going through the ridiculous premise of Anakin being taken to the battle by autopilot, make it his decision to join the fight. Have him take ownership and show some of the cockiness that would eventually destroy him. As for him being a slave, that’s fine. I quite like the idea. But it could have been handled a little more deftly. For example, during the dinner scene Qui-Gon says that his mission isn’t to free slaves. But why not? Doesn’t that seem like exactly the kind of missions the Jedi should be on? C-3P0 Okay, come on. Anakin building C-3P0 was a stupid idea. I’m fine with Anakin being a gifted pilot, clearly that comes from the Force. But he needs to be some expert builder too, something that never comes up again in any other movie? Just because he’s a beloved character, it doesn’t mean Threepio needs to have some wacky, shoehorned origin story. So dumb… Darth Maul This movie needs a better villain. All its got is the Emperor before he was an emperor who is either in hiding or only shown via hologram, and Darth Maul. And lets face it, Darth Maul as a character is pretty much non-existent. We know nothing about him, we have no concept of his background or what drives him. And he’s not menacing in the least. The only thing frightening about him is his make-up, but otherwise he’s simply not threatening. Nothing in the way he acts or speaks gives any sense of danger. He needed a lot of work in order to make him an effective villain, other than the conceptual design of his physical appearance.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 28, 2016 10:19:21 GMT -5
The Senate Story A lot of people bitch about how there’s too much politics in episode 1 for a Star Wars story, and especially how much of a bummer the opening scrolls were when we start with a trade dispute. I’m not one of those people. I’m okay with seeing the senate that existed before the Empire, and I’m okay with starting small, since this is supposed to be the beginnings of the larger story-line. Actually, I think the Senate part of the story needed to be focused on more. I think most people’s issues aren’t with the fact that the senate stuff exists, but that its not interesting. It would work if they made it interesting and put a little more effort into writing how Palpatine is able to take power over the entire political body. After all, that, along with the introduction of Anakin, is the only real reason this story exists within the larger scope of the overall story. Its an important point, so spend more time and storytelling effort. I also very much dislike the Jedi council, but this is something I will go into in a lot more detail when I review Attack of the Clones. But an ESP test? Really guys? Midicholorians Now we come to what I find to be the most egregious offense committed by this movie. For some reason Lucas felt it was necessary to introduce midicholorians as some sort of symbiotic bacteria that is responsible for the force. Seriously? You just took all mystery and power from this concept that was so well-built in the original films. The force should be some be some inexplicable energy which lets our imagination and wonder define it, not some quantifiable measurement. Remember that scene where Yoda explains the force to Luke, being between the tree and the rock? Or when he uses the Force to raise up the X-Wing? Yeah, this idea just vomits on all of that. Disgusting. These need to be erased from the consciousness of all connected to the Star Wars universe.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 28, 2016 17:57:24 GMT -5
As I said earlier, there needed to be a military angle. It's called Star WARS. The focus of the senate should have been Palpatine manipulating the outcomes - a Dick Cheney type.
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Post by IanTheCool on Sept 3, 2016 8:24:24 GMT -5
As I said earlier, there needed to be a military angle. It's called Star WARS. The focus of the senate should have been Palpatine manipulating the outcomes - a Dick Cheney type. I agree that there should have been more of the manipulating.
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Post by IanTheCool on Sept 3, 2016 8:26:48 GMT -5
Attack of the Clones Writing I’ve brought this up it before with The Phantom Menace, but I need to mention it again; this script needs a complete overhaul. As a movie, this is the worst of the whole series. The writing is atrocious, and it leaks into a number of the other problems which I’m about to mention. There are tons of examples of bad dialogue, such as: “One day I will become the greatest jedi ever!”, “We used to come here for school retreat”, “If Obiwan caught me ding that he’d be very grumpy”, and of course the infamous (among SW people anyway) sand line. Weak Detective Plot Half of the movie involves Obi-Wan Kenobi in a detective story hunting down clues. In theory, this is a pretty interesting idea for a Star Wars film, and if it was done better would have been really cool. However, the actual mystery involved is really lame. First off, there is a plot to kill Padme. Why? Never a good reason really. She’s only one out of many senators trying to make this peace treaty, or something, go through. So the fact that there i a mystery at all isn’t even given a satisfying reason. Then there’s the fact that the entire mystery hinges on identifying a dart that Jango Fett basically hands to them. And not only that, but this dart can only be identified by some 4-armed diner chef!! What?? Its a good thing that Obi-Wan knows just the right people to go to, including one little kid who figured out that the missing planet was deleted from archives. Really? That kid is the only one? Obi, your first thought should have been “hmm, i guess it was deleted.” The point being that this plot needed to be fleshed out more to actually make it interesting and legitimate, instead of giving the absolute bare bones surface level of a detective story.
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Post by Deexan on Sept 4, 2016 21:16:29 GMT -5
This tickled me. Why is there a detective plot in a Star Wars movie? Obi-Wan Columbo. "There's just one more thing, Jabba..."
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Post by IanTheCool on Sept 5, 2016 1:11:06 GMT -5
Bad Romance I’ve already mentioned the bad writing, but it always seemed to dip to new lows during the love story of Anakin and Padme. This who relationship needed to be scrapped and reimagined, because what we get on screen simply doesn’t work. A big problem is that Anakin starts off a such a creepy stalker. I mean, listen to some of those lines. “I’d rather dream of Padme. Just being around her again is intoxicating.” or “Being around you is soothing.”. Hayden Christensen’s ogling glare he gives her all the time doesn’t help either. And here’s the thing, Padme is legitimately creeped out by him. You can tell throughout the first half of the movie. Until suddenly they are awkwardly sitting near a fireplace and she admits to loving him out of no where. Nothing before that gives us the sense that she is falling for him. Then they talk about why they can’t be together, blah blah blah. Then we get the scene just before they are rolled out to the arena where she is “madly, deeply in love with” him. Completely unearned moment. Considering how important their relationship is to the overall story arc, it needed to have a much better foundation. Coruscant Too “Real” This seems minor, but I don’t really like all the little earth-like details they put into Coruscant, especially at the end of the chase sequence. When they go into the bar, we see things like robot football, death sticks, etc. I know that they are trying to get across that this city planet is as diverse as any city would be, but some things just seem like a stretch. Not to mention the line “Jedi Business. Go back to your drinks” is pretty awful. Again this one is minor, but something about the fabric of the city bugs me. Anakin on Tatooine Another small one, but here we go. The filmmakers need to get Anakin to Tatooine to see his mother die. So they have him go there…. because he has bad dreams. Really? That’s how they got him there? What a forced plot contrivance. I do like the idea of his mother dying and him not being able to stop it, causing him to drift further into anger. So ultimately its a good character piece, it just needed to be set-up less clumsily. Also, the scene where he tells Padme about it is just…. just terrible. He confesses that he murdered a whole village, including the women and children. At this point, Padme should realize that he’s a homicidal maniac and be getting as far from him as she can. But she…. understands and comforts him? And these are the heroes of our story?
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 11, 2016 11:34:12 GMT -5
oh i forgot to finish my thoughts on this
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 11, 2016 11:34:56 GMT -5
Biggest problem with prequels: The Nature of the JediOkay, now we get to the biggest problem of the prequels from the view of a Star Wars fan like myself. This problem is how the Jedi Order is built and dealt with. First, lets go back to the wonderful pre-prequel days where the only things we knew about Jedi Knights were Obi-Wan and Yoda and their teachings. The picture of the Jedi that we get from this are ancient, mystic warriors roaming the universe and defending justice. We think of the legend of the Samurai or an idyllic medieval knight. So what happens when we get to the prequels and get to see the Jedi in their prime? They are simply relegated to another bureaucratic body in the capital, like another branch of the government. Really? In Phantom Menace we are introduced to the Jedi Council, which is more like a company board room. Lame. Remember how awesome Yoda was in Empire? Well here he’s just a chairperson. And the Jedi Temple turns out to be really lame as well. They have a very static library archive system. They have incredibly lame “classrooms” where kids swing lightsabers like windshield wipers. It just all feels like Lucas decided to strip away the mysticism of the Jedi Order, and that’s just really sad. The entire structure of the Jedi Order is too systematic, too organizational. I honestly dont think they should have a centralized location in Coruscant at all. If there is a temple, it should be more like Force Awakens, hidden in some solitary location. The organizational structure should be much looser and not so strict. It really feels like the whole concept of the Jedi is reduced to some lame cooperate body. And what about the Jedi knights themselves? I am reminded of a quote from one of my friends after we saw Attack of Clones in theaters, which has remained a part of our groups lexicon to this day: “Man, Jedi sure die easy.” That final battle in theory is cool, but when the Jedi arrive in the arena, it really destroys the power that Jedi held for SW fans. The Jedi, frankly, suck. They just get picked off left and right by a bunch of robots. They were pathetic fighters. Pathetic! They certainly weren’t legendary warriors like they should have been. The reputation of the Jedi was just trashed in Attack of the Clones. If we are looking at how to improve the prequel trilogy, we would need to completely overhaul how the Jedi Order is portrayed. Decentralize the order, have them be more solitary, with less of a governing code. Have them be better fighters, and reduce the number. But we don’t have that movie, so we just have to remember the illusion of the Jedi from the first movies and try to keep that in our heads.
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Post by Deexan on Apr 13, 2017 20:56:29 GMT -5
"I'm not supposed to say this,” Lucas half-jokingly smirked. “I wasn't supposed to say it then, but this is a film for 12-year-olds.” It’s a project he saw as a helping hand to those about to step into the dark uncertainty of adulthood, for "when you’re 12-years-old, you’re about to enter the real world.”
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Post by Wyldstaar on Apr 13, 2017 21:14:27 GMT -5
If it weren't for the context, I wouldn't have guessed that it's Hayden Whatisname in that pic. That probably makes his life a bit easier to get through. I feel sorry for the guy. It's not his fault the Prequels sucked, and they pretty much destroyed his career.
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I feel worse for Jake Lloyd.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Apr 15, 2019 18:49:37 GMT -5
I stopped caring what Emperor Lucas thinks about Star Wars long ago.
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