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Post by Neverending on Nov 18, 2017 20:15:29 GMT -5
Hulu is trying. There's a lot of old shows on it. But you're right. They need a push. The Golden Girls found a millennial audience cause they turned it into a meme. If you want kids to watch I Love Lucy, you're gonna have to sell the feminist angle. I Love Lucy WAS about this woman refusing to be a housewife by trying to get into show business. We were sold on it because of the physical comedy. One of the famous scenes was Lucy and Ethel working at the chocolate factory and struggling to keep up at the assembling line. That won't catch millennial's attention. But if you focus on the Lucy and Ricky dynamic, that'll spark their interest. Hmmm... I love that show, but calling it remotely feminist is a bit of a stretch. Lucy does keep trying to break out of her role as a housewife but every attempt blows up in her face and Ricky "sets her straight" and everything turns back to the "proper" status quo. The chocolate factory episode is a good example; Lucy and Ethel make a bet that the women can get jobs and the men can keep up the house, both fail spectacularly, and the lesson everyone learns at the end is that men should be men and women should be women. I'm sure some people did draw some inspiration from the fact that Lucy keeps on trying, but the intended message of the show does strike me as fairly retrograde. I guess The Lucy Show would be the more "feminist" one since her and Ethel embrace life as lesbians. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 18, 2017 20:30:04 GMT -5
I gotta agree with Dracula on this one. Feminism was scarce on TV in the 60's. Even women who were literally empowered on shows like I Dream of Jeannie and Bewitched were still stuck in the house for the most part. The only successful show about an independent woman with a career of her own was That Girl. It wasn't until the 70's that any real progress on that front showed up on TV, with The Mary Tyler Moore Show, One Day at a Time, Laverne & Shirley, Maude, Alice and of course Wonder Woman.
On a side note, anyone who is a fan of I Dream of Jeannie and Bewitched really needs to read the short story Begone by Daryl Gregory. It's available in the anthology Rip-Off! An astronaut and an ad man walk into a bar...
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Post by Neverending on Nov 18, 2017 20:39:29 GMT -5
Feminism was scarce on TV in the 60's. Doesn't mean there weren't role models. Lucy was definitely a feminist in real life. She ran Desilu Studios and gave us Star Trek. That has to count for something. Also, people don't realize how progressive the marriage of Lucy and Ricky was for television. CBS was pushing for her husband to be played by a White American and she refused. She also put Desi (Ricky) in charge of the show. An immigrant, in charge? That's unheard of even today. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 19, 2017 0:43:40 GMT -5
Feminism was scarce on TV in the 60's. Doesn't mean there weren't role models. Lucy was definitely a feminist in real life. She ran Desilu Studios and gave us Star Trek. That has to count for something. Also, people don't realize how progressive the marriage of Lucy and Ricky was for television. CBS was pushing for her husband to be played by a White American and she refused. She also put Desi (Ricky) in charge of the show. An immigrant, in charge? That's unheard of even today. It's undeniable that Lucy held plenty of clout in Hollywood. There was also some solid progress being made just by having women in the leading roles, even if they were still mostly maintaining the status quo. While Samantha on Bewitched was a housewife and mother, she was also pretty clearly the one in charge of that house, despite all of Darrin's (both of them) insistence to the contrary. Change is best done in baby steps if you want positive results. America was ready for a Latino husband with a white woman, as long as he was someone successful like a band leader. People were able to handle Kirk and Uhura kiss, as long as it was an evil alien forcing them to do so against their will. |
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Post by Frizzo the Clown on Nov 19, 2017 10:09:00 GMT -5
I am in none of those catergories. I am old. You escaped being a millennial. I reside in that category that is just a bit too young to really identify as Gen-X, but too old to be a Millenial. |
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Post by thebtskink on Nov 19, 2017 10:26:48 GMT -5
I was born in 1984 and get infuriated when called a millennial.
No one my age wears skinny jeans. Or wears their stupid haircuts.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 19, 2017 10:32:35 GMT -5
I was born in 1984 and get infuriated when called a millennial. No one my age wears skinny jeans. Or wears their stupid haircuts. That means you were still in high school during September 11th, you're a Millenial. I'm sure there were plenty of clean-cut baby boomers who didn't much like being lumped in with the hippies too, doesn't change what generation they were part of. |
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Post by thebtskink on Nov 19, 2017 10:33:56 GMT -5
I was born in 1984 and get infuriated when called a millennial. No one my age wears skinny jeans. Or wears their stupid haircuts. That means you were still in high school during September 11th, you're a Millenial. I'm sure there were plenty of clean-cut baby boomers who didn't much like being lumped in with the hippies too, doesn't change what generation they were part of.  |
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Post by Neverending on Nov 19, 2017 16:02:08 GMT -5
I was born in 1984 and get infuriated when called a millennial. No one my age wears skinny jeans. Or wears their stupid haircuts. That means you were still in high school during September 11th, you're a Millenial. I'm sure there were plenty of clean-cut baby boomers who didn't much like being lumped in with the hippies too, doesn't change what generation they were part of. That means you were still in high school during September 11th, you're a Millenial. I'm sure there were plenty of clean-cut baby boomers who didn't much like being lumped in with the hippies too, doesn't change what generation they were part of. Is that REALLY why we’re millennials? Being in high school during 9/11 is why I think we’re NOT millennials. Unlike PG Cooper, we remember a world after the Cold War and before 9/11. We have a totally different upbringing and outlook of life and society. |
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Post by PG Cooper on Nov 19, 2017 17:56:36 GMT -5
That means you were still in high school during September 11th, you're a Millenial. I'm sure there were plenty of clean-cut baby boomers who didn't much like being lumped in with the hippies too, doesn't change what generation they were part of. Is that REALLY why we’re millennials? Being in high school during 9/11 is why I think we’re NOT millennials. Unlike PG Cooper, we remember a world after the Cold War and before 9/11. We have a totally different upbringing and outlook of life and society. Whatever you say, old man. |
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Post by Neverending on Nov 19, 2017 19:41:44 GMT -5
Is that REALLY why we’re millennials? Being in high school during 9/11 is why I think we’re NOT millennials. Unlike PG Cooper, we remember a world after the Cold War and before 9/11. We have a totally different upbringing and outlook of life and society. Whatever you say, old man.  |
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 19, 2017 20:32:01 GMT -5
Funny, we actually had an unnecessarily heated debate over 'millennial/non-millennial' things at work. I'm 32 and my co-workers range from 25-41. I think to roll everything up under 'millennial' based on what year you were born is tough especially due to the technological advances we've had over the past 15 years alone. The 25 year old thinks she can relate to the experiences I've had or my co-workers who are also in their mid-to-late 30s. Sure we're close in age but she never had to experience or really absorb those things we take for granted. Hell, I didn't have the internet in my house until I was 16. The tv my family had when I was young had a friggin knob. And yes, I was also in high school when 9/11 happened. My experiences with that were different because I knew people who went into the military because of it. I don't think a lot of people in their mid-twenties can say the same. If you're basing it solely on the year we are born then I guess I am a millennial but the people who were born in 1990 had a very different upbringing than those of us born in 1985 or earlier.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 19, 2017 20:49:55 GMT -5
Funny, we actually had an unnecessarily heated debate over 'millennial/non-millennial' things at work. I'm 32 and my co-workers range from 25-41. I think to roll everything up under 'millennial' based on what year you were born is tough especially due to the technological advances we've had over the past 15 years alone. The 25 year old thinks she can relate to the experiences I've had or my co-workers who are also in their mid-to-late 30s. Sure we're close in age but she never had to experience or really absorb those things we take for granted. Hell, I didn't have the internet in my house until I was 16. The tv my family had when I was young had a friggin knob. And yes, I was also in high school when 9/11 happened. My experiences with that were different because I knew people who went into the military because of it. I don't think a lot of people in their mid-twenties can say the same. If you're basing it solely on the year we are born then I guess I am a millennial but the people who were born in 1990 had a very different upbringing than those of us born in 1985 or earlier. I know people from high school who DIED fighting the war on terror while George W. Bush was still in office. Anyone born after 1991 can’t say that. Let’s stop throwing millennial around. We’re the Ninja Turtle generation. They’re the Pokémon generation. Settled. |
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 19, 2017 20:53:09 GMT -5
Let’s stop throwing millennial around. We’re the Ninja Turtle generation. They’re the Pokémon generation. I think that's an excellent way to put it. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 19, 2017 20:53:21 GMT -5
Funny, we actually had an unnecessarily heated debate over 'millennial/non-millennial' things at work. I'm 32 and my co-workers range from 25-41. I think to roll everything up under 'millennial' based on what year you were born is tough especially due to the technological advances we've had over the past 15 years alone. The 25 year old thinks she can relate to the experiences I've had or my co-workers who are also in their mid-to-late 30s. Sure we're close in age but she never had to experience or really absorb those things we take for granted. Hell, I didn't have the internet in my house until I was 16. The tv my family had when I was young had a friggin knob. And yes, I was also in high school when 9/11 happened. My experiences with that were different because I knew people who went into the military because of it. I don't think a lot of people in their mid-twenties can say the same. If you're basing it solely on the year we are born then I guess I am a millennial but the people who were born in 1990 had a very different upbringing than those of us born in 1985 or earlier. I know people from high school who DIED fighting the war on terror while George W. Bush was still in office. Anyone born after 1991 can’t say that. Let’s stop throwing millennial around. We’re the Ninja Turtle generation. They’re the Pokémon generation. Settled. I guess that makes me part of the Star Wars generation. I can live with that. |
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 19, 2017 20:54:49 GMT -5
And Ramplate part of the Prohibition generation.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 19, 2017 20:57:42 GMT -5
Let’s stop throwing millennial around. We’re the Ninja Turtle generation. They’re the Pokémon generation. I think that's an excellent way to put it. I know people from high school who DIED fighting the war on terror while George W. Bush was still in office. Anyone born after 1991 can’t say that. Let’s stop throwing millennial around. We’re the Ninja Turtle generation. They’re the Pokémon generation. Settled. I guess that makes me part of the Star Wars generation. I can live with that. You’re the He-Man generation. |
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Post by Neverending on Nov 19, 2017 20:59:04 GMT -5
And Ramplate part of the Prohibition generation. Ramplate is a Civil War veteran. He witnessed Lincoln get shot. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 19, 2017 21:05:55 GMT -5
Funny, we actually had an unnecessarily heated debate over 'millennial/non-millennial' things at work. I'm 32 and my co-workers range from 25-41. I think to roll everything up under 'millennial' based on what year you were born is tough especially due to the technological advances we've had over the past 15 years alone. The 25 year old thinks she can relate to the experiences I've had or my co-workers who are also in their mid-to-late 30s. Sure we're close in age but she never had to experience or really absorb those things we take for granted. Hell, I didn't have the internet in my house until I was 16. The tv my family had when I was young had a friggin knob. And yes, I was also in high school when 9/11 happened. My experiences with that were different because I knew people who went into the military because of it. I don't think a lot of people in their mid-twenties can say the same. If you're basing it solely on the year we are born then I guess I am a millennial but the people who were born in 1990 had a very different upbringing than those of us born in 1985 or earlier. You're really talking about a fairly narrow age difference though, someone born in 1985 and someone born in 1990 could easily be siblings, placing them in different generations is kind of crazy. Adoption of various technologies is going to vary by family and a lot of the really generation-defining technologies (iTunes, MySpace, mass cell phone usage) didn't really hit critical-mass until like 2003-2005, when a 25-year-old would have been in middle school or thereabouts, that's old enough to remember what it was like before we were all dependant on the internet. |
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Post by Neverending on Nov 19, 2017 21:23:33 GMT -5
Funny, we actually had an unnecessarily heated debate over 'millennial/non-millennial' things at work. I'm 32 and my co-workers range from 25-41. I think to roll everything up under 'millennial' based on what year you were born is tough especially due to the technological advances we've had over the past 15 years alone. The 25 year old thinks she can relate to the experiences I've had or my co-workers who are also in their mid-to-late 30s. Sure we're close in age but she never had to experience or really absorb those things we take for granted. Hell, I didn't have the internet in my house until I was 16. The tv my family had when I was young had a friggin knob. And yes, I was also in high school when 9/11 happened. My experiences with that were different because I knew people who went into the military because of it. I don't think a lot of people in their mid-twenties can say the same. If you're basing it solely on the year we are born then I guess I am a millennial but the people who were born in 1990 had a very different upbringing than those of us born in 1985 or earlier. someone born in 1985 and someone born in 1990 could easily be siblings  |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 19, 2017 21:52:44 GMT -5
I guess that makes me part of the Star Wars generation. I can live with that. You’re the He-Man generation. Now you're just being difficult. Masters of the Universe was not as popular as GI Joe or Transformers, and they were all insignificant next to the power of The Force. |
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Post by thebtskink on Nov 19, 2017 22:09:31 GMT -5
someone born in 1985 and someone born in 1990 could easily be siblings  |
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Post by Neverending on Nov 19, 2017 22:14:45 GMT -5
You’re the He-Man generation. Now you're just being difficult. Masters of the Universe was not as popular as GI Joe or Transformers, and they were all insignificant next to the power of The Force. GI Joe and Transformers wouldn’t exist without He-Man. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 19, 2017 23:57:09 GMT -5
Now you're just being difficult. Masters of the Universe was not as popular as GI Joe or Transformers, and they were all insignificant next to the power of The Force. GI Joe and Transformers wouldn’t exist without He-Man. Half hour toy commercials had the door opened to them by Reagan's deregulation, not Mattel. He-Man was just the first to exploit it, and being first is not the same as being the best. Mattel screwed up the launch quite a bit, since they didn't bother to have the toy designers coordinate with the folks at Filmation, and the creators of the mini-comics weren't communicating with Filmation either. Kids bought toys with mini-comics that explained the world of Masters of the Universe, and then when the cartoon began airing, nothing matched the comics. Sloppy. |
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