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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 30, 2015 18:13:37 GMT -5
Nice write-up Neverending, I was shocked to read how little money MI3 made, but you're right that Cruise was acting like Shia LaBeouf at the time and everyone was sick of him. I feel like "Spectre" will make more money but I'm hoping the new Mission Impossible does well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 18:21:05 GMT -5
MI 3 was the best. PSH was da bomb yo.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 30, 2015 18:35:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I feel like that and Ghost Protocol are pretty similar in terms of overall execution, but MI3 might be the best entry in the series. I've only seen each entry once though, so probably need to revisit them. The original has the signature moments I always attribute to the series, but I feel like the plot is tighter in 3 and GP.
II was just a total piece of shit and likely to be #322 on Vader's 500 list.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 30, 2015 18:39:33 GMT -5
The first one is my favourite. It has the most iconic scenes and Brian De Palma's style is great. The third is my second favourite. It's a solid movie and Philip Seymour Hoffman is a lot of fun as the villain. Ghost Protocol has memorable action scenes and nothing else. II has some problems, but John Woo's ridiculousness is kind of fun and I think it's actually pretty neat as a rip-off of Hitchcock's Notorious.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 30, 2015 19:01:33 GMT -5
MI3 might be the best entry in the series. The first one is my favourite. I'm with Cooper. The sequels are all fun - yes, even part II - but they rely on action scenes. The original only has one major action scene, the train fight at the end, and relies instead on Hitchcock-style suspense. I understand why so many people shove it under the rug and favor the two J.J. Abrams productions, but I also feel those people need to watch it again. I was a kid when it was released 1996 and was sooooo indifferent towards it that I actually believed Mission: Impossible II was better when I saw it in theaters in 2000. I'm willing to bet Jibbs and Doomsday and Dracula felt the same way. They would NEVER admit it now, but we were all teenagers at the time and were easily amused by John Woo's nonsense. I still remember when Face/Off was a respectable movie. Say that to anyone now and they'll laugh in your face. Anyway, point is, Mission: Impossible works better from an adult point-of-view. Scenes like the one where Tom Cruise breaks into the computer room are edge-of-your-seat nail-biters. But when I was a teenager, I didn't have the patience for that and was more entertained by Tom Cruise shooting people in slow-motion with doves flying around. Mission: Impossible is for men. Mission: Impossible III and Ghost Protocol (and probably Rogue Nation) are for boys. And if you were old enough in 2000, Mission: Impossible II is hilarious nostalgia now. |
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 30, 2015 19:04:16 GMT -5
I remember almost nothing about M:I 2 other than Limp Bizkit. The first and third are different movies but are both very enjoyable. I wasn't so fond of Ghost Protocol which makes me wary about Rogue Nation.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 30, 2015 19:08:59 GMT -5
I remember almost nothing about M:I 2 It's on Netflix. Grab a few beers and watch it. I'll "review" a Criterion movie if you give us your 2015 thoughts on Mission: Impossible II. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 30, 2015 19:13:16 GMT -5
3 still remains my favorite so far. The first is right there behind it because of all its Hitchcockian influences, but 3 is the only one where I've been legitimately emotionally invested in the story. The "save the girl" angle, in contrast with "save the world" was a refreshing change of pace and it was exciting all the way through. Plus, 3 is a VERY tightly-structured movie; no scene feels unnecessary or redundant, things are always moving forward, and Michael Giacchino's score is the best of the series so far. Also, it has the franchise's best villain up to this point, but I hear Rogue Nation changes that.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 30, 2015 19:35:17 GMT -5
3 is a VERY tightly-structured movie; no scene feels unnecessary Except that whole backstory with Keri Russell. |
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Post by Dracula on Jul 30, 2015 19:37:18 GMT -5
James Bond was #1 again, even though it sold less tickets than two Pierce Brosnan movies and had an unfair advantage over its competitor. I take it that's in reference to Tom Cruise's bad PR. How is that an unfair advantage. Did the first two movies have an unfair advantage because they had an A-lister in the lead back when people didn't think he was a nut? Anyway, I agree with the consensus that the first movie is clearly the best. No I did not like 2 better when it first came out, that movie is a mess that is straight up boring for long streches of its runtime. I do think it has good stuff in it and I'm less dismissive of it than some people, in fact if anything I've warmed up to it over the years as I came to appreciate how much of a stylistic pivot it was, but the first has always been my favorite. I'm in the minority about the Abrams produced movies. I straight up disliked 3 when it came out, liked it a little better on rewatch, generally am not on board with its attitude. GP disappointed me in that it abandoned the idea of making each installment stylistically distinct and it's fucking shallow even by the standards of this series. Kind of expecting the next one to be more of the same. |
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 30, 2015 19:39:11 GMT -5
I remember almost nothing about M:I 2 It's on Netflix. Grab a few beers and watch it. I'll "review" a Criterion movie if you give us your 2015 thoughts on Mission: Impossible II. You got yourself a deal. |
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Post by Neverending on Jul 30, 2015 19:51:02 GMT -5
Did the first two movies have an unfair advantage because they had an A-lister in the lead? Yes and No. The first Jack Ryan movie with Harrison Ford, Patriot Games, made less than ALL of Pierce Brosnan's James Bond movies. And this was a sequel to The Hunt for Red October which was a big hit and starred former James Bond, Sean Connery. I think the producers felt they could challenge an A-lister since it took Harrison Ford two tries to get Jack Ryan right. I think they underestimated Tom Cruise and the Mission: Impossible franchise. It should be no surprise that James Bond and Mission: Impossible are popular opposites these days when they shared a lot in common during the early days. I think Ghost Protocol is very different from the three previous movies. If anything, it's the most "Brosnan" of all the Mission: Impossible movies. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 31, 2015 12:02:57 GMT -5
3 is a VERY tightly-structured movie; no scene feels unnecessary Except that whole backstory with Keri Russell. You mean the backstory that explains why Ethan goes on the mission in the first place? Okay...
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 31, 2015 14:06:02 GMT -5
I think what I'll do in the next few days is sit down with my computer and do a live posting while watching M:I 2. I'll let you know when.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 31, 2015 14:33:58 GMT -5
That way we can watch your pain.
No seriously, that movie is long and really boring, I'm pretty sure you're gonna need a sixer to get through it again. John Woo blew it with that one.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 31, 2015 16:04:52 GMT -5
John Woo blew it with that one. I don't think John Woo ever recovered from that movie. It was a BIG hit, but for some reason, he quickly faded away from Hollywood afterwards. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 16:08:04 GMT -5
John Woo blew it with that one. I don't think John Woo ever recovered from that movie. It was a BIG hit, but for some reason, he quickly faded away from Hollywood afterwards. Price of doves got too high so no one could afford him. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 31, 2015 16:12:44 GMT -5
John Woo blew it with that one. I don't think John Woo ever recovered from that movie. It was a BIG hit, but for some reason, he quickly faded away from Hollywood afterwards. You're right about that, I mean he made "Paycheck" which was mediocre at best, but yeah he really never recovered from MI2 being the major turd that it was. |
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 31, 2015 16:43:04 GMT -5
I personally wouldn't call M:I 2 a piece of shit. That's not to say I think it's good -- a lot of that movie is overstylized to the point where some scenes are just unintentionally funny and the plot is a pale, pale imitation of Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious -- but it's not a trainwreck.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 31, 2015 18:14:36 GMT -5
That way we can watch your pain. No seriously, that movie is long and really boring, I'm pretty sure you're gonna need a sixer to get through it again. John Woo blew it with that one. It wasn't all John Woo's fault. That movie had what they call a "troubled production," rumor has it that he clashed with Cruise a lot, had a bad script to work with, and had to cut a lot in order to get a PG-13. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 31, 2015 22:50:54 GMT -5
MI3 was entirely unmemorable. Proven by the fact that I don't remember anything about it.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 31, 2015 23:06:32 GMT -5
MI3 was entirely unmemorable. Proven by the fact that I don't remember anything about it. Not even Phillip Seymour Hoffman? |
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 31, 2015 23:40:24 GMT -5
I remember he was in it...
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 31, 2015 23:41:26 GMT -5
MI3 was entirely unmemorable. Proven by the fact that I don't remember anything about it. You make me sad. |
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Post by Neverending on Aug 1, 2015 2:08:57 GMT -5
DIABOLIQUE (1955) Diabolique is a French thriller about a woman who assists in the murder of her husband and is then shocked when the body disappears before she can properly dispose of it. For 1950's Europe and America, Diabolique was a groundbreaking and popular film. For 2015... it's kind of slow and boring and the execution of the premise is incredibly tame. I applaud the movie for what it accomplished and the doors it opened, but the horror genre has a hundred better options for contemporary audiences. Diabolique is better suited for scholars. C
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