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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 18, 2016 10:32:10 GMT -5
I love that we are debating NES continuity.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 18, 2016 12:12:59 GMT -5
I love that we are debating NES continuity. Don't get Dracula started on Legend of Zelda.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 18, 2016 17:03:14 GMT -5
Legend of Zelda is meant to be what the title implies: a legend. It's a single story that gets retold over and over again with interesting variations that get added over time depending on who's telling it.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 18, 2016 17:15:21 GMT -5
Legend of Zelda is meant to be what the title implies: a legend. It's a single story that gets retold over and over again with interesting variations that get added over time depending on who's telling it. So you're saying Nintendo is tricking people into spend money on the same game over and over again?
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Post by Dracula on Dec 18, 2016 17:22:48 GMT -5
Legend of Zelda is meant to be what the title implies: a legend. It's a single story that gets retold over and over again with interesting variations that get added over time depending on who's telling it. So you're saying Nintendo is tricking people into spend money on the same game over and over again? No, they're selling them different games which are all variations on the same story.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 18, 2016 18:37:15 GMT -5
they're selling them different games which are all variations on the same story. Best Zelda game?
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Post by Dracula on Dec 18, 2016 18:50:50 GMT -5
they're selling them different games which are all variations on the same story. Best Zelda game? Of the four I've played Ocarina of time is the best... my refusal to buy a Nintendo console post N64 has kind of limited my knowledge of them.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 18, 2016 18:59:37 GMT -5
Of the four I've played Ocarina of time is the best. Better than Link to the Past? Get the fuck out.
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1982Best FilmBlade Runner Fanny and Alexander Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Fitzcarraldo Thing, The Winner: Fanny and Alexander Worst FilmHalloween III: Season of the Witch First Blood Friday the 13th Part III "Winner": Friday the 13th Part III Best TV ShowThe Jeffersons (Season 8) Hill Street Blues (Season 2) WKRP in Cincinnati (Season 4) MASH (Season 10) Taxi (Season 4) Winner: Taxi Best Video GameBurger Time (Arcade) Burger Time is a game with a pretty dumb name and silly concept but it's actually pretty legit arcade classic. The game is a bit like Pac Man in that it has you navigating a maze of sorts on a single screen while being pursued by enemies, but it gives you more ways to combat your foes and the objective of building burgers on the bottom of the screen gives it an extra dimension of challenge. Joust (Arcade) Button mashing is something that can definitely help you get a lot of energy out and the fine folks at Midway seemed to realize this and developed a game that forced you to tap away at a button as a gameplay mechanism. To do this they envisioned a bizarre world in which knights with lances road on ostriches and tried to more or less literally get the drop on their opponents. The fact that you then had to retrieve the fallen eggs is a smart way of drawing the player into danger while doing this. Pitfall (Atari) While I feel like I've played more retro games than most, the atari 2600 is kind of where my knowledge base ends and I turn into that annoying kid who doesn't "get" how anyone could play something that primitive. However, there are still some Atari games that I do at least know a little about and Pitfall may well be that system's crowning achievement. It was an early side scroller which had you jumping over barrels and swinging over pits... it was functional in a way that a lot of Atari games weren't... it's no Uncharted, but early 80s kids took what they could get. Q*bert (Arcade) Q*bert had a lot going for it. For one thing it used some really old geometry tricks to give itself the illusion of three-dimensionality. For another it was unique in the way it made the player think in terms of diagonal moves instead of the vertical and horizontal. More than any of that the game just had an attitude that was unique for its time. Few games would go so far as to have its character say "@!#?@!" when they died during this era. Robotron: 2084 (Arcade) The original dual stick shooter, Robotron: 2084 is a brilliantly frantic experience. The game tosses you right in the middle of a chaotic swarm of robotic mayhem and leaves it to the player to shoot their way out and save some civilians along the way. The first level is manageable enough but the subsequent screens force you to really keep your eye on the ball and make sure that you do a lot of effective crowd control. Winner: Joust Best Hit Song"Centerfold" by J. Geils BandCenterfold is certainly not a song that holds up lyrically or thematically. Telling the story of a guy who sees a former crush/girlfriend has posed in a porno mag years later is basically an anthem to slut shaming and the singer's toxic whore/madonna complex. That said, the music has held up very well. Taking on the feel of almost being a rock and roll square dance song, the instrumentation is very melodic and makes good use of keyboards and has a number of interesting hooks like that guitar strumming that comes after "my memory has just been sold" is a great little pause. "Every Little Thing She Does is Magic" by The PoliceIn the last write up I looked at The Police at their creepiest but this song, probably my favorite of theirs, has them at their most heartfelt and sincere. It's one of the few songs by the band to include keyboard elements and it uses them to give the song a sort of brilliant sense of depth and time and I love the way it seems to just light up during the verses, but really it's the lyrics that make it shine the most. The notion of being really enamored with small things your partner does while you're in love is just such a universal that it really makes the song endearing. "Get Down on It" by Kool and the GangFirst of all, yikes, that music video is messed up. Fortunately the song has aged better than that video. Kool and the Gang were one of the few disco acts that were able to weather the storm of backlash the genre received, at least for a little while. This song is pretty simplistic lyrically (dude really wants people to dance) but its instrumental groove remains killer. That bass line is great and the brass elements hold up quite well. "I Ran (So Far Away)" by Flock of Seagulls
Ryan Gosling can go fuck himself, this song is awesome. Those opening keyboard sounds are iconic for a reason: they make me want to drive down the streets of Vice City at very fast speeds and waste fools for one thing, also they just sound cool. The song's hook is also really strong and memorable to boot. Granted, the verses (which apparently tie into a concept album about alien abduction or something) are a little hokey, but with production like this I don't think anyone was paying attention to that. "Tainted Love " by Soft CellThe ultimate dark 80s song along with "Sweet Dreams," "Tainted Love" (or "I want to uhh uhh get away" as most people are likely to call it) is actually a cover of a pretty serviceable blues ballad originally recorded by Gloria Jones in 1964 but the New Wave inflected production of the Soft Cell version gave the song a wholely different feel. That two not emphasis in the chorus (the uhh uhh) is really what makes the song, it's one of those simple if brilliant production ideas that makes its creator millions. Winner: The Police
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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 24, 2016 10:31:20 GMT -5
Burger Time rocks. I'd probably give it to Donkey Kong Jr. though.
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 25, 2016 23:21:56 GMT -5
The little guitar riff in I Ran, right before and after he sings, "I walked along the avenue?" That's the good stuff.
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1981Best FilmRaiders of the Lost Ark Reds Mephisto Boot, Das My Dinner With Andre Winner: Raiders Worst FilmBlow Out Halloween II Friday the 13th Part 2 Winner: Next Friday Best TV ShowThe Jeffersons (Season 7) Hill Street Blues (Season 1) WKRP in Cincinnati (Season 3) MASH (Season 9) Taxi (Season 3) Winner: Hill Street Blues Best Video GameDefender (Arcade)
Defender is different from a lot of the space games of this time, in part because it goes left to right instead of up and down. Also you can go in either direction across a map that doesn't auto scroll, and you have to engage the thruster, and you need to save people instead of just shooting everything... come to think of it I don't know that this is even really in the same genre as those other space shooters... well whatever it is it's a very challenging and intense experience. Donkey Kong (Arcade)
The game that put Nintendo on the map, arguably acted as the debut Mario game, caused a very lucrative lawsuit, and inspired documentaries, Donkey Kong was probably the very biggest success story of the post-Pac Man fever arcade golden age of the early 80s. It also lets you jump over a lot of barrels. There are a couple of things about it that annoy me like the fairly random collectibles and how some of the barrel patterns force you to rely on dumb luck, but it's clearly a classic. Frogger (Arcade)
A favorite of everyone from myself to George Costanza, Frogger is a game that's kind of brilliant in its simplicity. You just need to help these frogs cross the road and get to their little nooks at the end. Of course it switches things up on you about half way through by going from avoiding the moving objects to having to aim for them. There is a complexity to playing it though as it forces you to think ahead and plan your moves lest you trap yourself between two oncoming vehicles. BTW, I don't generally care for mobile games, but there's this one game I have on my iPhone called Crossy Road which is essentially an Endless Frogger. Great way to kill time when you aren't getting a signal. Galaga (Arcade)
Galaga is probably the most famous space shooter outside of Space Invaders itself, upon which this is plainly a vast improvement. The game is actually a sequel to Galaxian and features a number of cool features like the way your ship can be kidnapped and then returned if you save it for double shooting power. This little dilemna in particular is one of the great strategic debates in all of gaming. As I see it (and this is the perspective for mortals, not Galaga savants who are good enough to not even really need extra lives) the reward isn't there for the risk and you're best to avoid the kidnapping altogher as that extra life will ultimately prove more useful in the long run. Ms. Pac Man (Arcade)
A lot of people think that Ms. Pac Man is just the same game as Pac Man but with a bow put on the protagonist... and a lot of people are wrong. For one thing, the fuit doesn't show up in the same place all the time. Also there are different mazes and the ghost A.I. has been tweaked. There's also improved sound and a better death animation. Finally though, it includes cutscenes in between some levels that play out a romance for the ages between Mr. and Ms. Pac Man which is... well it puts anything John Keats ever wrote to shame. Winner: Galaga Best Hit Song"Another One Bites the Dust" by QueenIt's been said that one of the distinctive things about Queen is that all four members were songwriters and each had a distinct style. Freddie Mercury wrote the more elaborately produced and flamboyant tracks ("Don't Stop Me Now" "Crazy Little Thing Called Love"), lead guitarist Brian May tended more towards the stadium anthems ("I Want It All" "Fat Bottomed Girls"), drummer Roger Taylor tended towards more concrete lyrical themes ("Under Pressure" "Radio Ga Ga"), and then there was John Deacon who tended to be more of a down to earth rocker ("You're My Best Freind" "I Want to Break Free"). It probably doesn't take too many guesses to figure out who wrote Another One Bites the Dust (Hint: it has one of the most recognizable basslines ever) and it does sound a lot different than most of their tracks in its relative minimalism. If there's a drawback to it it's that Freddie Mercury is not necessarily the most plausible narrator of a gangland shootout, but he sells it well enough. "Celebration" by Kool and the GangCelebration is one of those songs that's so good at being a celebitory anthem that it gets played so often over award ceremonies and weddings that it's easy to sort of tune out and disregard at this point. That's unfortunate because it's really this wonderfully constructed little song if you stop and listen to it. That riff is kind of iconic, the rythem section is really tight, the "woo hoo!"s and horns are well timed and the hook is incredibly catchy. "Don't Stand So Close to Me" by The PoliceThis would be another song by "The Police" which sounds super light and bouncy until you actually listen to the verses and realize it's about an underage girl having an affair with a teacher. Initially you think it's just about her being infatuated and the teacher trying to ward her off with the chorus, but no, the second verse makes it pretty clear that he actually is fucking her and there's even a straight up Lolita reference at the end. Kinda creepy. Still, I do like songs that have lyrics at odds with their tones and this is a pretty clever and catchy one. "Hit Me with Your Best Shot" by Pat BenatarOne of the better love as a battlefield metaphor songs (better than "Love is a Battlefield" for that matter), this straight-forward rock song has Pat Benatar showing that she's every bit the match for the womanizer she's encountering that she isn't some naive waif who's going to wilt the second this guy leaves the next morning. That if she's just a notch in the bedpost for him, well, he's just a notch in the lipstick case for her. Pretty transgressive and empowering for 1981 if you think about it. It's also just an all around fundamentally solid rock song with a tight riff and a pretty good solo. "Just the Two of Us" by Grover Washington Jr. Ft. Bill Withers
This is an interesting little thing in that it was a song featured on the album of jazz saxophonist Grover Washington Jr. but was written and performed by the great singer and songwriter Bill Withers. In other words it was a precursor to the modern era of songs credited to Producers and DJs but sung by other popstars, and if they'd invented the "featuring" credit at this time all of this would have been a lot clearer. Anyway, this is a really nice little love song that paints a pretty clear picture of a couple who are trying to decide whether or not to go all in on a relationship and finding it in themselves that, yes, there's no time like the present and together they can overcome obstacles. That "power of love" sentiment rarely feels this well thought out and honestly come to. Winner: Another One Bites the Dust
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Post by Neverending on Jan 1, 2017 14:22:07 GMT -5
Sting was a teacher so the song is probably autobiographical. You can counterclaim it's fantasy, but I'm sure Sting got his fair share of questionable pussy.
You're telling me Just the Two of Us is not a Will Smith song? Blasphemy.
Galaca is probably my favorite arcade game.
Agreed. Ms Pac Man is better than Pac Man.
Fuck you. Blow Out is awesome.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 1, 2017 16:14:37 GMT -5
Sting was a teacher so the song is probably autobiographical. You can counterclaim it's fantasy, but I'm sure Sting got his fair share of questionable pussy. His story on the inspiration for that one has changed many times over the years. You're telling me Just the Two of Us is not a Will Smith song? Blasphemy. Technically it's a Dr. Evil song Fuck you. Blow Out is awesome. It's not as bad as some of the shit I've nominated as worst of the year (which will be more and more the case as we continue going back in time) but it's a pale imitation of Blow Up and the ending sucks. The film community needs to get off of Brian De Palma's dick.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 2, 2017 0:51:44 GMT -5
The film community needs to get off Tarantino's dick.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jan 2, 2017 8:55:14 GMT -5
You're right; Keats is a hack. Ms Pacman is one of my favourite games.
How are you able to know these old shows so well that you know which is best from year to year?
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Post by Neverending on Jan 2, 2017 10:55:02 GMT -5
You're right; Keats is a hack. Ms Pacman is one of my favourite games. How are you able to know these old shows so well that you know which is best from year to year? He's mostly shit posting. The best show of 1981 was:
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Post by Dracula on Jan 2, 2017 12:33:13 GMT -5
How are you able to know these old shows so well that you know which is best from year to year? Mmmm... I kind of don't. I mean, even during the 2000s and 2010s when I was dealing exclusively with shows that I'd seen every episode of in chronological order I was still only slightly cognizant of which seasons were which. Getting into the 80s and beyond I'm almost entirely dealing with shows I know from having watched in syndication completely out of order well over a decade ago when I had time to watch sitcom reruns all day, which is a big part of why there aren't going to be very many nominated dramas going forward. That having been said, while I might not be able to distinguish seasons very accurately these are all shows I'm familiar with and when I pick winners there's usually at least a reason. Like I picked Mash in 1983 because that was the year its final episode set records and I picked Hill street Blues this year because its debut is considered a landmark, otherwise I'm just trying to spread the wealth and make sure certain shows get a win.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 2, 2017 15:23:00 GMT -5
You didn't spread the wealth to TJ Hooker, ya bastard.
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1980Best FilmRaging Bull Shining, The Kagemusha Elephant Man, The Empire Strikes Back, The Winner: The Shining Worst FilmAirplane! Caddyshack Dressed to Kill Friday the 13th Winner: Friday the 13th Best TV ShowThe Jeffersons (Season 6) MASH (Season 8) Three's Company (Season 4) Taxi (Season 2) WKRP in Cincinnati (Season 2) Winner: The Jeffersons Best Video GameAdventure (Atari)
Adventure is a game that you need a lot of historical perspective in order to appreciate. The game had a number of innovative features like the fact that you are going across multiple screens and collecting items and slaying dragons. On the other hand, the thing you're controlling is littlerally a square dot and those ferocious dragons kind of look like the Prince logo. Games of this era required a lot of imagination, but I'm sure there were a lot of great games that came later because of this one's inovations. Berzerk (Atari)
Berzerk is a simple game that offers simple pleasures. Your goal is to run through a maze and shoot the shit out of any evil robot that gets in your way. It holds up a little better than your average Atari 2600 game and there's a neat graphical effect where the robots' eyes are constantlyy moving, which kind of makes them look like Battlestar Gallactica Cylons. That's pretty neat. Centipede (Arcade)Centipede is a weird little game. It's essentially a space shooter along the lines of Space Invaders, but instead of being set in space it's set in someone's garden and has you going toe to toe with a big multi-legged bug as well as some stray spiders and whatnot. The way it moves is not unlike the old gaming concept "Snake", but here you're on the defensive rather than the offensive and it's overall a neat little twist on some familiar concepts. Missile Command (Arcade)
A go-to prop for Cold War movies looking to make an ironic point, Missile Command is a frantic little game where you had to desperately shoot down the nuclear missiles that were raining down upon your cities. The game was controlled using a track ball instead of a joystick, which made it ideal for PC ports over the years as it could easily be translated into mouse control. Possibly an unofficial prequel to the Fallout series. Pac-Man (Arcade)
The game that created a true epidemic calledPac Man Fever, the video game industry has a lot to thank this game for. There is a reason why this thing managed to last as long as it did; there's a simplicity to it that allows you to pick it up easily but also enough variation that it doesn't feel rote. Just an endlessly fun game that people enjoy to this day. Winner: Pac Man Best Hit Song"Another Brick in the Wall Part 2" by Pink FloydIn this day in age making a concept album about a rock star building a metaphorical wall between himself and his audience would not exactly be a surefire way to make money, but low and behold it somehow gave Pink Floyd a Diamond selling album back in 1980. It also somehow gave them what would turn out to be the second most successful single of the year in Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 (Education), a sort of protest song about the vapidity of the educational system. Like much of The Wall this is a bit closer to conventional arena rock than Pink Floyd's other music but doesn't feel like a sell-out moment either. The children's choir certainly give it flavor, but it's ultimately a guitar driven number and a pretty good one. "Call Me" by Blondie Blondie were notable for the fact that they had four different number one singles over the course of their careers and each of the four were in kind of a different style. Where their other three singles were all explorations of rap, regae , and disco, "Call Me" is the number one single that was more reflective of their usual New Wave style, which is ironic because the main composition was actually written by Giorgio Moroder and then performed by the band as the lead single from the American Gigolo soundtrack. Either way it's an infectious little number with a strong rhythm and hook."Funkytown" by Lipps IncFunkytown is an odd little song, one clearly born of the disco movement, but with more Kraftwerk-y early techno elements than most prime disco (which usually relied more on actual horns and instruments). There's also an element of actual funk music to it as there is clearly a legit groove underneath it all that you can clearly hear in the earlier parts of the song. The whole doo-doo-doo-doo do doo-doo-doo-da part is a total ear worm and the song plays off of it in a couple of interesting ways."Rise" by Herb AlpertHerby Herby Alpert, can't you see? Sometimes your horns just hypnotize me, and I just love that backing groove, guess that's why Biggie will sample you some day. This was something of a fluke hit in its day which was propelled by the fact that it appeared on an episode of General Hospital during a very brief period where daytime soaps had an outsized influence on popular culture. Whatever works I guess, it gave Alpert the distinction of being the only artist to ever reach number one both with a vocal single and an instrumental single. "Rock with You" by Michael Jackson
Off the Wall was Michael Jackson's best album and it isn't even close. This single off of that album is hard to even talk about really it's just a really amazingly well-crafted pop song. Michael Jackson's vocals are incredibly smooth and sincere and he isn't loading it with weird Jackson-isms like "whoo!" and "Jam-on." Quincy Jones' production is amazing, the song itself is simple and gets its point accross. Winner: Pink Floyd
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Post by IanTheCool on Jan 7, 2017 1:52:32 GMT -5
Damn right its pacman.
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Post by Neverending on Jan 7, 2017 4:24:53 GMT -5
The best song from Off the Wall is... Off the Wall.
Also, while Off the Wall is more consistent and Thriller has all the hits, I'd argue that Bad is his best album.
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1979Best FilmApocalypse Now Alien Manhattan Marriage of Maria Braun, The Stalker Winner: Apocalypse Now Worst FilmMoonraker Star Trek: The Motion Picture Amityville Horror, The Jerk, The 1941 Winner: The Jerk Best TV ShowThe Jeffersons (Season 5) WKRP in Cincinnati (Season 1) MASH (Season 7) All in the Family (Season 9) Taxi (Season 1) Winner: WKRP in Cincinnati
Best Video GameAsteroids (Arcade)
Still not exactly the first of the big space shooters but we're getting there. Black and white vector graphics were kind of a big deal in 1979 and this game used them to make simple outlines of asteroids and a triangle with thrusters into a coherent game. I've always been one to try to keep the ship in the middle of the screen as long as possible because things start getting pretty crazy when you start thrusting around the screen. It gets pretty intense. Galaxian (Arcade)Galaxian can be viewed one of two ways: as a vast improvement on Space Invaders or as a kind of crappier version of Galaga. The aliens don't just stay in lines like in the former but they also don't swoop onto the screen in interesting ways or do anything cool like abducting your ship like in the latter either. Its place as the middle child of alien shooting video games has kind of dulled its legacy, but it is a solid game that deserves some respect. Lunar Lander (Arcade)
Where most games of the early arcade era were focused on speed and reflex, Lunar Lander was more interested in patience and precision. The goal of the game was to carefully land your ship on the moon's surface and it had some fairly elaborate controls in the cabinet to accomplish this. The game also has this cool touch where the screen zooms in when you finally get closer to the surface, which is kind of impressive for this era. Monaco GP (Arcade)
This early racing game isn't really much of a Formula 1 simulator (the track doesn't have any turns in it) but it is a fun driving game just the same. It's in color (which was not a given at this time) and it had some neat touches like patches of darkness where you could only see your opponents in the headlights and the occasional tunnel you needed to make sure you were lined up to enter. Video Chess (Atari)
This was not the first chess simulator to market by any means, but it is notable for what it did to maximize Atari hardware. At the time it was thought that the 2600 could only present six sprites in any given row and they had to do some amazing programing jiujitsu in order to get eight chess pieces lined up. It was probably worth it though because the trick they found was carried over to other games. It was also one of the first chess simulators to feature castling and en passat captures. Winner: Asteroids Best Hit Song"Don't Stop Til You Get Enough" by Michael JacksonThe other big hit off of "Off the Wall" (which was released in late 1979 and whose singles straddled years), "Don't Stop Til You Get Enough" probably hues more to the Michael Jackson formula that would continue into the 80s than his other early singles right down to the "Whoo"s but there is a bit more of a disco thing going on with it. The interplay of the instruments that Quincy Jones was able to achieve is really well executed. "Heart of Glass" by Blondie"Blondie" was very much a creature of the 1970s New York music scene and was notable for their ability to reach out to the various genres that were thriving there from post-punk to hip hop to New Wave and their biggest hit "Heart of Glass" was their attempt to cross over with the disco scene. With the band providing a driving beat in the background Debbie Harry delivers a knockout vocal performance that really flows with it. Some of the band's original fans saw it as a sellout move, but time has been kind to it. "I Will Survive" by Gloria GaynorGloria Gaynor wasn't exactly a one-hit wonder, but she wasn't far off from being one. Still, that one huge hit was certainly something to be proud of. Today these "fuck my ex, I'm awesome" songs are a bit of a cliche (Beyonce and Kelly Clarkson have basically built careers off of them) but it was still a pretty empowering thing in the late 70s and putting this message over a tight disco beat with sweeping synthonic elements worked really well. Really though it's Gaynor's voice that sells all of this, you can really hear the strength and confidence in her voice. "Le Freak" by ChicIn case you haven't noticed, disco was still huge in 1979 and every one of my nominees this year has elements of that genre in it. It was an especially good year for Chic and I could have just as easily put "Good Times" or "I Want Your Love" here, but neither of those songs had anything as infections as that "Aww... Freak Out!" hook from this. Nile Rogers' guitar work is as rhythmic as ever and the driving beat makes you want to dance. Why this group continually gets snubbed by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a mystery to me. "September" by Earth, Wind, and FireAnother band that was having a great year in 1979 was Earth, Wind, and Fire who also scored big hits with "Boogie Wonderland" and "After the Love Has Gone." The instantly recognizable "September" however has remained their signature song and for good reasons. There's an interesting interplay between the controlled verses and the wildly exuberant chorus in this song that gives it an interesting tension and like all great disco songs the band is able to really juggle the meat and potatoes guitar/drums work along with horns and string elements. Winner:
September
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Post by IanTheCool on Jan 14, 2017 10:41:35 GMT -5
Wow, you nominated Star Trek as worst movie? Bold move sir.
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