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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 17:25:56 GMT -5
You have no proof people are not speaking out against the duggars other than the fact that huckabee is siding with them? Like I said, people are speaking out against them but that doesn't make headlines because it isn't controversial, it is common sense. Ever see the headline "Man exclaims the sky is blue!" ? There is a reason why you haven't and the same reason applies here.
Good to know that you corrected yourself and that all of Christianity isn't evil and supporting the duggars, just all that you haven't personally seen on the news standing against them.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jun 3, 2015 17:44:47 GMT -5
I see you're not even really reading anything I'm writing or just simply ignoring the points I'm making. Where are your major Christian leaders that are for same-sex marriage? Where are your preachers speaking out against the bigots? You're right, I don't have proof that they're out there because they don't let their opinions be heard. You're portraying it like there's this major nucleus of people that don't agree with the social conservatism, and yet they all seem to be hiding from the rest of the group. The media is only interested in showing the evil Christians that give all of you a bad name? Get off your high horse, there's a reason why all politicians adopt the conservative social policies that they do; because no one would vote for them if they didn't. Common sense? Really? I'm pretty sure that when people hear the term conservative Christian the last thing that comes to mind is open mindedness and acceptance. If there was a major Christian figure that stood for equality and against discrimination, he would be in the news for sure for rallying against the majority. Once again, I haven't seen it. Huckabee would still be in the news if he didn't support them, but you are right that it wouldn't be as attention grabbing. So once again, is it not hypocritical for Huckabee and others to forgive Duggar for this but not support homosexuals for being who they are?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 17:56:52 GMT -5
The only supporter you can name is Huckabee. You should be smart enough to realise that the majority are not supportive of those nuts.
That alone should be the proof you need. Instead you assume that since we are not in the streets protesting we must be supporting them and child molestation.
Because that totally makes more sense......
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jun 3, 2015 18:09:34 GMT -5
Once again, you continue to dodge the real questions and issues here and attempt to pathetically pass it off that I'm misguided and Christians are unfairly portrayed. You can't even give me one major Christian figure or leader that is openly against the discrimination that the religion consistently displays. The majority of the group is silenced and oppressed and doesn't have a platform? Give me a break. The majority of the group are the ones in power, talking on the television, giving hateful sermons in church. Huckabee is not the only supporter of the family, Ted Cruz came out in support but after backlash retracted his statement, so basically he only did so because 2016 is more important than defending a pedophile. Obviously it's not a smart political move to side with the Duggars here, especially with 2016 looming. Huckabee probably just ruined his already dismal chances at the Republican ticket with this little stunt.
You keep saying there's all this opposition to the Duggars and bigotry from the Christian side, and yet for all your accusing that I don't have evidence to back anything, you have nothing at all. You don't even have a small sect of Christians to point to, I'm just supposed to take your word for it because you and your church aren't doing it. Which again, great, I'm not saying all Christians are like that, notice how each time I said CONSERVATIVE because there's a big difference. I know plenty of casual Christians who believe in God but don't necessarily go to church and absolutely are against the social stances the church takes on. Those are not conservatives, just because you're "religious" does not mean you have conservative social stances. Huckabee is a conservative, the Duggars are conservatives. So again, if it's the minority of Christians who are hate mongering bigots, why are they the ones with churches, television shows, and Republican party tickets punched? Why would the majority be voting for what they supposedly are completely against?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 18:41:06 GMT -5
I have not dodged anything. You said all conservative Christians were evil. I corrected you. You said we all supported the duggars, I corrected you. You said because you haven't seen anyone against the duggars on tv that it must mean with are standing by their side. I corrected you.
Now you want me to answer to discrimination (against who btw?) and find examples of people speaking out against it. You seem to be the one sidestepping and changing the subject anytime I point out your fallacies and expect me to keep circling around with you everytime you throw a task at me?
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jun 3, 2015 19:10:18 GMT -5
You are so delusional it's amazing, no wonder people can't stand talking politics with you on here. I never said they were evil, I said they were hypocritical, which you have continued to not address at all. I did not say you ALL supported the Duggars, you again seem to be confused. Sure, I could've been a bit clearer, but the point still remains that there are plenty of people supporting the Duggars, from average Joes to Huckabee and Cruz. Feel free to Google any of this and read articles and the comments pertaining to them, and you'll see opinions from both sides spouting off. It's great that you and your community are model Christians, I once again never said all Christians are awful or evil, but are a lot of them hypocritical on their social stances? Absolutely. Once again, where are your community leaders? Where is this majority of Christians that are being so wrongfully represented by the minority? A majority would be at least 51%, so once you can provide insight into this mythical group I'll gladly eat my words and say you were right. But you can't, which is why instead of actually addressing anything I'm throwing at you you're more interested in challenging my qualifications on making statements on the issue.
Uh, duh, I think I've been obviously clear on the issue of who has been discriminated against. If I could type slower for you to process all of this I would. You haven't pointed out anything to disprove anything I've said except that I should probably be more specific when targeting a group, which you're right about. You haven't addressed where this mythical majority of socially progressive conservative Christians reside, if Huckabee is a hypocrite, or listed even ONE example of a major Christian figure that would embody this "majority" you so adamantly claim exists. You are a very delusional person, I've responded to each of your claims and you've hardly responded to any of mine, including the initial post I made, but you're just knocking down all these "fallacies" of mine left and right. Oh, but you aren't, not at all in fact. Arguing with you, which I never even wanted to do in the first place, is a waste of my time. I'm gonna leave you alone to dance in your fantasy land where the evil Christians are the ones getting all the news coverage and soiling your good name, and the majority of Christians are oppressed and silenced in their attempts to actually follow the teachings of Jesus. Damn that oppressive minority that has all the money and power and influence, how can the majority ever topple them!?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 19:27:06 GMT -5
I do not personally know every conservative Christian. I have made this clear. However out of all the ones my wife and I know, not a single one support this. You cant get that through your head. I highly doubt I live in some magical bubble where our set of conservative Christians differs from so many others. We are the majority.
You keep asking for proof. I have said, for the third time now, that you wont see proof because news orgs wont cover someone stating common sense. Of course we and the majority do not support those freaks. I would like to know where you saw news stories or press conferences where it was stated that the majority of conservative Christians supported these people in the first place? They are nutbags and I do not recall any of my church peers looking up to these people or bragging about how awesome they are. Most are just watching to see how many babies that lady will pop out before her uterus disintegrates.
So please show me, besides huckabee, where the majority of conservative Christians are supporting these people. You cant do that. If they were never supported in the first place why should we have to denounce them now? Again it is common sense that we do not, except in your mind. I have never personally come out and said the Holocaust was bad, does that mean I am in favor of it? Common sense should tell you that I would be against it and think it was bad. Or should I put on a press conference for you so you have difinitive proof?
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 3, 2015 20:27:23 GMT -5
Wow guys - simmer down. Breathe, take five. Walk it off . Yup - Megyn is walking them through all the deets, and doing a lot of hand holding with her interview. Pretty much prompting them through their explanation. Softball questions. Very edited and selected bits. Fake tears from Michelle Duggar. She's very good at sounding meek and mild and making her voice crack. lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 21:56:40 GMT -5
Ugggh I could not even stomach to watch the interview. Will read up on it tomorrow. Disgusting people.
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 4, 2015 13:05:07 GMT -5
Duggar Interview With Fox’s Megyn Kelly Sparks Massive Social Media Reaction
Twitter users call the interview “creepy” and criticize the “19 Kids and Counting” parents for the way they handled the molestation scandal
Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar sat down with Fox News’ Megyn Kelly Wednesday for an interview that drew sharp reaction on social media.
In the sit-down that aired on “The Kelly File,” the “19 Kids and Counting” parents detailed what happened when their eldest son Josh confessed to having touched some of his younger sisters and a babysitter inappropriately.
Social media quickly exploded with angry reactions to the Duggars’ explanation of how they handled the molestation scandal and what many perceived as Kelly’s “softball” questions.
“Jim Bob is awfully cavalier about these ‘incidents’ for a guy who ran for Senate on an incest should get death penalty platform?” commented former daytime talk show host Montel Williams, who went on to express his disgust in a string of tweets, including calling the couple “creepy, creepy, creepy.”
“Weirdest Duggar ‘safeguard’ revealed in tonight’s intv: ‘no male babysitters.’ HELLO. The threat was coming from your own family,” wrote Lisa Bloom, NBC News legal analyst and author of “Suspicion Nation.”
“They are trying to justify themselves justifying incest and sexual abuse,” wrote socialite and PR executive Lee Radziwill.
The hour-long interview became the number 1 trending topic on Twitter, and it concluded with a teaser where Duggar daughters Jessa and Jill admitted they were among Josh’s victims. Kelly promised viewers that portion of her sit-down would air on Friday.
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Post by RedStorm901 on Jun 4, 2015 22:00:48 GMT -5
I have not been to church in a while but the church I do attend is a nice sized church, probably 200-300 regular attenders. Our previous pastor and current have never preached anything but love. My former church which is much larger. Membership in the 4000+ range. Off topic here but that's a HUGE church. Biggest one I have ever been to had about 40 people in it. My current church has a attendance of about 15-20.
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I have not been to church in a while but the church I do attend is a nice sized church, probably 200-300 regular attenders. Our previous pastor and current have never preached anything but love. My former church which is much larger. Membership in the 4000+ range. Off topic here but that's a HUGE church. Biggest one I have ever been to had about 40 people in it. My current church has a attendance of about 15-20. Yea that was Sherwood Baptist Church. They are the church responsible for making Fireproof, Facing the Giants, Courageous, and Flywheel. Way too big for me. Had to find a smaller place.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jun 20, 2015 15:01:34 GMT -5
Ugh, stop bumping this thread
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Post by Ramplate on Jul 30, 2015 6:14:07 GMT -5
Just a quick update - last one.
Now that their $45,000 to $60,000 per episode paycheck is gone it appears they've been asking for donations
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Post by frankyt on Jul 30, 2015 16:40:49 GMT -5
Just like a church!
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Post by Ramplate on Jul 30, 2015 17:26:55 GMT -5
Yeah they're calling it donations to their ministry
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I could donate a handful of bullets, thats about it.
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Post by RedStorm901 on Aug 20, 2015 1:03:59 GMT -5
So it looks as if this thread is being bumped yet again. Apparently when Ashleymadison.com got hacked Josh Duggar has been outed as having two accounts on it. Josh Duggar Ashley Madison
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 7:04:37 GMT -5
So it looks as if this thread is being bumped yet again. Apparently when Ashleymadison.com got hacked Josh Duggar has been outed as having two accounts on it. Josh Duggar Ashley Madison Well at least it wasn't ashleymadisonkids.com
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Post by Ramplate on Aug 20, 2015 7:26:56 GMT -5
“And when you, our sweet fans, first met me when Josh asked me to marry him … I was able to say, ‘Yes’ knowing who Josh really is — someone who had gone down a wrong path and had humbled himself before God and those whom he had offended,” she wrote on Facebook. “Someone who had received the help needed to change the direction of his life and do what is right. I want to say thank you to those who took time over a decade ago to help Josh in a time of crisis. Your investment changed his life from going down the wrong path to doing what is right.”
Well, so much for his wife really knowing him
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Post by RedStorm901 on Aug 20, 2015 13:00:10 GMT -5
So it looks as if this thread is being bumped yet again. Apparently when Ashleymadison.com got hacked Josh Duggar has been outed as having two accounts on it. Josh Duggar Ashley Madison Well at least it wasn't ashleymadisonkids.com Yea that was Jared.
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Post by FShuttari on Aug 20, 2015 13:11:14 GMT -5
My church never preached anything awful like that either, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen in other places. You could be right, that the hate mongering loons that get all the air time and political power are in the minority, and yet no one on their side is speaking out against them or condemning them. If I was a part of an organization and others were blatantly going against what the organization stands for (which is the case here as Jesus, friend of lepers and prostitutes, would never stand for such discrimination against people, ever) then wouldn't myself and others rally to put an end to it? If I'm not a bigot, I don't want people to have an unfair and incorrect viewpoint of me and lump my ideologies with theirs. But you are the minority, and good for you, but supporting things like same-sex marriage is not a majority opinion. Christians have been standing up for Homosexuals and showing Love as much as they can. The news like you said and majority of the outlets don't give them air time or make it a big deal... Because it's uplifting news, not clickbait or ratings wise news... DO NOT EVER TRUST THE MEDIA! THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU, THEY WILL BURN YOU AND CONDEMN YOU IF THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE NEWS AND MONEY!! REMEMBER THIS!!! THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT OR TRUE!! ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS MONEY AND RATINGS!!!!
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