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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 3, 2014 13:38:52 GMT -5
I've been thinking about making this topic for a while, and finally decided to pull the trigger.
In this day and age of television, the term 'procedural' has become a dirty word and something looked down upon as the serialized format has pretty much become the new favorite format on average. I myself now prefer serialized shows to procedurals, but that doesn't mean I still can't enjoy a few procedurals here and there. The most interesting ones now are those that weave in serialized elements -- The Blacklist, Fringe, Person of Interest, Arrow, etc. -- and thus keep your attention a bit more. As much as these types of shows are badmouthed these days, I still think people enjoy shows every now and then that can tell complete stories in 42 minutes every week.
So, let's give this a shot. What, if any, procedurals -- past and/or present -- do you enjoy watching (I know Neverending keeps championing White Collar) and why? Or what do you think about the genre in general, and is there anything you'd do to spruce it up?
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Post by Neverending on Oct 3, 2014 15:21:48 GMT -5
I've been watching NYPD Blue on Direct TV's Audience Network. Great stuff. I think you'll love it. Also, Dracula - believe it or not - is a HUGE fan of The Good Wife which is just a lawyer show. So... check that out too, I guess.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 3, 2014 15:42:04 GMT -5
The Good Wife is only barely a procedural, there is a case of the week and it's usually fun, but the meat of the show is in the serialized elements that surround it. It's a casual but detailed look at the way city politics and the legal system play into one another and also a brilliant look at a character coming out of her shell and reaching her full potential. It's the closest thing to The Wire that you're ever going to see on a major network... and on CBS of all places.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 3, 2014 18:49:26 GMT -5
I've been watching NYPD Blue on Direct TV's Audience Network. Great stuff. I think you'll love it. Also, Dracula - believe it or not - is a HUGE fan of The Good Wife which is just a lawyer show. So... check that out too, I guess. My Dad owns all the seasons of NYPD Blue that are available on DVD so far, so I'll give it a shot sometime. My Mom also has Season 1 of The Good Wife. I started going through White Collar from the beginning again (fell behind during Season 4) on Netflix in anticipation for the final season. In terms of straight-up police procedurals out there right now that focus mostly on the case-of-the-week format, Castle is probably my favorite. Most of the time, I think it all comes down to how much you invest in the characters with these shows.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 3, 2014 18:52:27 GMT -5
Procedurals are for our parents. If it doesn't have a serialized storyline, I dont care.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 3, 2014 18:55:37 GMT -5
The pilot for NYPD Blue is AMAZING. In fact, it's probably TOO good. The rest of the episodes, for obvious reasons, are a bit more... traditional. I think Direct TV did a good job of only airing one episode a day. If I were binge watching the show, I would be pissed off after the pilot. So my advice would be to watch the pilot and then give yourself so time to cool down before watching the rest of the show. Just think of the pilot as a TV Movie that's separate from the rest of the show.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 3, 2014 19:20:56 GMT -5
The best procedural of all time is probably Homicide: Life on the Street, which was one of the most inovative, gritty, and well acted shows in TV history. Way ahead of its time and incidentlly the show that brought David Simon into the world of television.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 3, 2014 20:19:31 GMT -5
Procedurals are for our parents. If it doesn't have a serialized storyline, I dont care. My parents and I watch a few procedurals together, and whenever one of them relies more on a serialized storyline, I have to laugh at my Dad, because he always says something like, "This is a little bit ridiculous." Anyway, I'd say the best procedural out there right now is Person of Interest (I'm not counting Hannibal; that's more of a serial and whenever they DO have a case of the week, it's always a secondary focus), which has done a really impressive job of incorporating quite a few serialized storylines -- even at the same time -- ever since the middle of its first season. And, like The Good Wife, it's on CBS (the king of procedurals).
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 3, 2014 23:46:42 GMT -5
Procedurals are for our parents. If it doesn't have a serialized storyline, I dont care. This.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 4, 2014 0:39:33 GMT -5
Well, I won't exactly begrudge you for that opinion, but there ARE still some legitimately good procedurals out there. And most of them today incorporate serialized storylines, anyway.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 4, 2014 12:42:00 GMT -5
Very weak incorporations maybe.
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Post by Fanible on Oct 4, 2014 12:54:03 GMT -5
Among a lot of other reasons, it's one thing that turned me off from Agents of SHIELD. Granted, that may have changed. I didn't watch beyond like 3 or 4 episodes, and have been meaning to revisit now that I can binge watch the first season.
Doesn't mean it doesn't always work. Obviously a stretched out storyline is what I prefer, but I still love shows like Star Trek, or even more recent ones like House M.D. Granted, those type of shows still have a serialized format now and again, with stories affecting the rest of the series. I guess cartoons (Simpsons, American Dad, Futurama, etc) are a good example of procedurals that are still good to watch. They have stories and events that can be meaningless and often times ignored in future episodes.
When shows started taking a more serialized route, I remember often citing the fact that it does cause a more excited and obsessed fanbase, and related it to soap operas. There are plenty of reasons to not like typical soap operas, but there was a reason that some people were obsessed with them. They had a continual story episode to episode, that those who did watch couldn't get enough of. They would have to keep watching to see what happens next.
That's essentially what we've now received with modern television. Higher budget, better quality soap operas. 'LOST' being one of the immediate examples that comes to mind.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 4, 2014 14:55:05 GMT -5
I think some of you are using "procedural" a bit loosely. To me a procedural is a show that specifically shows the "procedure" by which certain jobs are carried out. The correct general antonym for "serialized" is "episodic."
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Post by Neverending on Oct 4, 2014 16:37:20 GMT -5
I think some of you are using "procedural" a bit loosely. To me a procedural is a show that specifically shows the "procedure" by which certain jobs are carried out. The correct general antonym for "serialized" is "episodic." Generally speaking, people use the term "episodic" for sitcoms. "Procedural" is usually used for Drama's, because like you said, there's so many cop shows and lawyer shows and doctor shows and shit like that.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 4, 2014 16:38:16 GMT -5
Yeah, House is definitely one of the better procedurals/episodics I've seen.
But you know, for all this talk of serialized storytelling, I still think there's something to be said for the shows that manage to tell complete stories, ones that could also span two hours, week in and week out in 42 minutes or less.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 4, 2014 17:09:00 GMT -5
Yeah, there is. And there's an audience for it to be sure. But it is still lesser television.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 17:14:35 GMT -5
The best procedural of all time is probably Homicide: Life on the Street, which was one of the most inovative, gritty, and well acted shows in TV history. Way ahead of its time and incidentlly the show that brought David Simon into the world of television. I've been meaning to check that out.
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Post by IanTheCool on May 14, 2015 19:00:35 GMT -5
Not convinced.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 27, 2020 12:12:30 GMT -5
Fascinating.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 27, 2020 12:29:33 GMT -5
The youngsters live a sheltered life. They enjoy a good true crime program.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 19, 2024 6:49:37 GMT -5
The best procedural of all time is probably Homicide: Life on the Street, which was one of the most inovative, gritty, and well acted shows in TV history. Way ahead of its time and incidentlly the show that brought David Simon into the world of television. Available now on Peacock.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 19, 2024 7:08:16 GMT -5
The best procedural of all time is probably Homicide: Life on the Street, which was one of the most inovative, gritty, and well acted shows in TV history. Way ahead of its time and incidentlly the show that brought David Simon into the world of television. Available now on Peacock. In the wrong aspect ratio...
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