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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 10, 2018 11:40:21 GMT -5
Okay, I've never seen this show but I've been meaning to give it a whirl, so I gotta ask: is it worth it? Cause I keep hearing the ending is awful. Its not awful, it just focused on character closure rather than "please solve this checklist of mysteries for us". if you're okay with that, then go for it.
You should at least check out the first season, its one of the best years of modern TV.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 10, 2018 12:25:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, I already know how it ends. So I figure, why not? It's been a TV blindspot for me all these years.
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Post by Fanible on Aug 10, 2018 17:23:37 GMT -5
The ending is just weird and feels bizarrely unrelated, and thus a lot feels somewhat unresolved. I suppose it's worth giving a shot, though.
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Post by Deexan on Aug 10, 2018 22:37:31 GMT -5
It got so much right and so much equally as wrong.
The most frustrating show of all time.
Giacchino killed it.
DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO.
I LOVE YOU PENNY.
SEE YOU IN THE NEXT LIFE, BROTHER.
Maaaaan....
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 10, 2018 22:42:55 GMT -5
And let's not forget... YOU ALL, EVERY-BUTT-IES!
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Post by Deexan on Aug 11, 2018 22:46:33 GMT -5
I'll allow it.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 12, 2018 23:10:45 GMT -5
Season 1 Episodes Ranked
Exodus Part 1 - jack et al set off to find dynamite, raft launching Pilot part 1 Exodus part 2 - others attack raft, hatch blown off Walkabout - Locke hunts boar Do No Harm - jack tries to save boone, claire has baby All the best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues - the hunt for ethan …In Translation - Jin accused of burning the raft Tabula Rasa - marshall is dying House of the Rising Sun - jin fights michael The Moth - Charlie in heroin withdrawal Pilot part 2 Born to Run - kate tries to get spot on raft Solitary - Sayid finds Rousseau, hurley builds golf course Numbers - Hurley looks for Rousseau White Rabbit - Jack tracks down his father, finds caves Outlaws - Saywer hunts board Special - Michael and Walt vs polar bear Raised by another - Claire screams a lot Greater Good - Sayid confronts Lock for Shannon Confidence Man - Sayid tortures Sawyer for shannon's medicine Deus Ex Machina - Locke and Boone try to get into hatch Homecoming - Ethan threatens the group to get claire back Whatever the Case May Be - Kate tries to get suitcase of guns from Sawyer Hearts and Minds - Locke gives Boone a hallucinogen
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Post by Neverending on Aug 13, 2018 1:02:32 GMT -5
THE 10 BEST SEASON ONE EPISODES OF LOST! #10 - OUTLAWSOriginal Airdate: February 16, 2005 Written by Drew Goddard Directed by Jack Bender A boar starts messing with Sawyer (Josh Holloway) and so he goes out on a hunt to track it down and kill it. Meanwhile, flashbacks show his pursuit for the man responsible for his parents death. The episode does a great job of balancing slapstick comedy with a heartbreaking tale of murder and revenge. It also fleshes out Sawyer from a Southern bad boy into a character with great depth. #9 - THE MOTHOriginal Airdate: November 3, 2004 Written by Jennifer Johnson and Paul Dini (of Batman: The Animated Series fame) Directed by Jack Bender Heroin addict Charlie (one-half of the gay Hobbit duo) is suffering from withdrawal and flashbacks show his rise and fall as a one-hit-wonder rock star. He gets to redeem himself when Jack gets trapped in a cave and he volunteers to rescue him. Although Charlie is the focal point of the episode, it is Locke who gets to shine. His spiritual wisdow guides Charlie and he uses a moth coming out of its cocoon as an example of what Charlie needs to do. #8 - RAISED BY ANOTHEROriginal Airdate: December 1, 2004 Written by Lynne E. Litt Directed by Marita Grabiak To quote Martin Lawrence in Bad Boys II, "s--t just got real." In this episode, the survivors discover there are "others" on the island, and we, the viewers, realize that there might be a supernatural reason for the airplane crashing on the island. Most of season one is spent on developing the characters, but this episode is almost purely setting up the story arc that would dominate the series. #7 thru 5 EXODUS, PART I (May 18, 2005) EXODUS, PART II (May 25, 2005) EXODUS, PART III (May 25, 2005) Written by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse Directed by Jack Bender Michael (ship driver, or whatever, from The Matrix), his son Walt, Sawyer, and Korean Dude built a raft and attempt to escape the island. Unfortunately, the island pulls them back in. Meanwhile... Jack, Locke, Kate, Hurley, and some dude who blows himself up, finally open the hatch. Normally, season finales wrap things up. However, Lost is a show that raises more questions than it answers, so they open up a new can of worms. #4 & 3 PILOT, PART I (September 22, 2004) PILOT, PART 2 (Septemer 29, 2004) Written by Jeffrey Lieber, J. J. Abrams and Damon Lindelof Directed by J.J. Abrams The only episodes written and directed by J.J. Abrams set-up the premise for the show. A plane crashes on a mysterious island and the survivors have to brace themselves for quite the adventure. Both episodes do a brilliant job of getting viewers hooked on the series. #2 - NUMBERSOriginal Airdate: March 2, 2005 Written by Brent Fletcher and David Fury Directed by Daniel Attias Hurley, the goofy fat dude played wonderfully by Jorge Garcia, turns out to be the key to the mystery. The episode is mostly comedic, but it unleashes a wealth of information and is an overall satisfying viewing experience. #1 - WALKABOUTOriginal Airdate: October 13, 2004 Written by David Fury Directed by Jack Bender John Locke (Terry O'Quinn) is like the Gilligan of the island. He's the only one that's benefitting from it and it is a life-changing experience for the better. This episode tells his tragic backstory, with a brilliant twist ending, and also sets him up as the perfect antagonist for Jack. Bump
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 13, 2018 9:01:41 GMT -5
Yeah, everyone loves walkabout. I will say that Walkabout is probably the best representation of what the show is. If someone was gong to only watch one episode to get an idea of Lost, this should be what they watch.
In Exodus 1 we see a lot of character payoffs, but more importantly we see how far they have come together since the crash. Everything has built up to that, and that's why I like it more.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 20, 2018 10:01:54 GMT -5
Alright, I'm about halfway through season 2 and making some observations. - This season gets a lot of flack, but it actually starts off pretty strong. I think one of the problems is that it takes such strides introducing these new characters, and then gets rid of them so soon.
- Relating to that Article I found JBond talked about with Kate, her character certainly is becoming more static.
- The Others were really menacing in this season and the first. They kind of blew it when we learned more about them in season 3. I think their mishandling of The Others might be the shows biggest problem. - It will be interesting to see if the acting pool gets diluted as we go further in. The original cast is really quite solid (with claire being the one weak link), but as the series goes on they start getting more "tv actors" into the mix, like Ben's Michael Emerson, and whoever plays Juliet.
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Post by John on Aug 20, 2018 10:55:38 GMT -5
I'm surprised you guys can rewatch this knowing the disaster of Season 6 is going to come at you hard.
After my initial emotions over the ending of the series had passed, I rewatched the entire series - probably sometime around 2012-2013. Was totally in love with the show again right up until the beginning of Season 6. Almost hard to believe it's the same creative team, it's like they literally wrote themselves into a corner and just didn't know how to un-fuck themselves.
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Post by Virus on Aug 21, 2018 6:26:15 GMT -5
I agree, they didn’t help when they kept promising that “every question will be answered”. I think they were a little surprised that it did so well
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Post by thebtskink on Aug 21, 2018 6:42:35 GMT -5
The Jacob/MIB flashback episode is among the worst of the series, and provided "answers."
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Post by Fanible on Aug 21, 2018 17:12:50 GMT -5
The Jacob/MIB flashback episode is among the worst of the series, and provided "answers." It was actually one episode that was completely unnecessary. They should have remained ominous and ambiguous. Their "origin" could have easily been left alone.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 23, 2018 18:11:54 GMT -5
Okay, here's my season 2 rankings
Live Together, Die Alone - finale, lock and desmond blow hatch, mike & walt leave, jack et al kidnapped Long Con - Sawyer makes a plan to get the guns from the group Everybody Hates Hugo - hurley in charge of distributing dharma food Hunting Party - jack, sawyer and locke go after michael, find others The other 48 days - tail section's story ? - Eko and Locke find the pearl station, libby dying Collision - Ana-Lucia holds Sayid hostage after shooting shannon, jack and Kate golf Man of Science, Man of Faith - Jack and Locke butt heads over whether or not to go down in the hatch …And Found - Jin tries to find Michael, Sun loses wedding ring 23rd Psalm - Eko's story, finds plane with herion Three Minutes - Michael's story after he runs off to find walt Abandoned - shannon see walt, gets shot Two for the Road - Ana wants to kill henry, michael betrays Orientation - desmond runs off, they learn about hatch Whole Truth - Sun finds out she's pregnant, sawyer kills frogs One of Them - henry gale found, sayid tortures him SOS - Rose and Bernard's story Lockdown - Locke is trapped in hatch with henry What Kate did - kate kills stepfather in flashbck, sees horses on island Adrift - Michael and Sawyer drift back to the island on whats left of raft Maternity leave - Claire finds medical hatch, screams a lot Dave - Hurley has an imaginary friend, really dumb Fire and Water - Charlie stalks Claire and aaron, gets beat up. Worst of series?
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 23, 2018 18:39:34 GMT -5
Fire + Water was always my personal choice for worst episode. Yeah that Jacob/Man in Black episode was blah, but it doesn't stand toe-to-toe with "Let's think up as many ways possible of making Charlie act like a jackass in forty minutes."
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Post by John on Aug 24, 2018 7:05:14 GMT -5
I'm surprised you have The Other 48 Days so high. That's one of the worst episodes of the series in my opinion. I directionally agree with the rest of your rankings though.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 25, 2018 14:17:06 GMT -5
I'm surprised you have The Other 48 Days so high. That's one of the worst episodes of the series in my opinion. I directionally agree with the rest of your rankings though. I dunno, I kind of like seeing what happened to the other people.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 25, 2018 14:19:01 GMT -5
Just started season 3.
I think The Others is a big problem for the show; perhaps their weakest element. It was cool when they were these mysterious savages in the jungle, but when they turned out to be living with full amenities, things deteriorated.
I cannot understand their motives or behaviours. Nothing these people do make sense. What is their purpose? The things they do seem far too extreme to be believable. The Others just don't make sense.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 25, 2018 14:39:47 GMT -5
THE 10 BEST SEASON TWO EPISODES OF LOST! If season one of Lost was Lord of the Flies with smoke monsters and polar bears, then season two is The Prisoner but with religious overtones instead of counter-culture commentary. It seems like JBond & Friends believe this is when the series jumped the shark. It is understandable. At this point, the show is no longer about a group of people surviving a strange island. It's about them uncovering the mystery behind the Dharma Initiative. But love it or hate it, some great episodes were produced during this season. And here are my top 10: #10 & #9 - LIVE TOGETHER, DIE ALONE PARTS 1 & 2Original Airdate: May 24, 2006 Written by Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof Directed by Jack Bender In typical Lost fashion, the season finale doesn't resolve any issues. Instead, it creates more problems. Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are captured by The Others while Locke loses faith and ultimately pays the penalty for it. It's definitely a very frustrating conclusion to the season, but there's no denying that it has you at the edge of your seat the entire time. #8 - EVERYBODY HATES HUGOOriginal Airdate: October 12, 2005 Written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz Directed by Alan Taylor When food is discovered inside the hatch, the happy-go-lucky Hurley is put in charge of it. He immediately feels the pressure of it when people want him to "hook them up." In flashbacks, it is revealed how winning the lottery impacted his relationship with his best friend. This episode isn't as good as season one's Numbers but it's a good companion piece. #7 - MATERNITY LEAVEOriginal Airdate: March 1, 2006 Written by Dawn Lambertsen Kelly & Matt Ragghianti Directed by Jack Bender In season one, the episode revolving around Claire (the gorgeous Emilie de Ravin) put a lot of stuff into perspective. In season two, it's no different. After blacking out the events of her kidnapping, she finally remembers being taken to a clinic where she was ultimately freed by a mysterious girl. After going on a journey to find it, Kate and her discover it was another hatch. At this point, there's very little doubt about who "The Others" are. #6 - ?Original Airdate: May 10, 2006 Written by Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse Directed by Deran Sarafian Locke and Mr. Eko discover ANOTHER hatch. This one turns out to be a surveillance center that reveals how meaningless everything has been so far. It's in this episode where Locke goes from the island badass into the weak old man he was beforehand. Locke loses faith and the island will ultimately punish him for it. The religious metaphors are heavy-duty in this episode. # 5 thru 3- MAN OF SCIENCE, MAN OF FAITH / ADRIFT / ORIENTATIONOriginal Airdates: September 21, 28, and October 5th of 2005 Writers: Damon Lindelof, Steven Maeda, Leonard Dick, Javier Grillo-Marxuach and Craig Wright Directors: Jack Bender and Stephen Williams The hatch is opened, and well, I guess some people hated it. The first three episodes of season 2 take the show on a new direction. Personally, I like it. Revealing that the island is used for scientific experiments and that our survivors might be the subject matters is pretty cool in my opinion. But whatever, to each his own. Or... her own. #2 - THE 23rd PSALMOriginal Airdate: January 11, 2006 Written by Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof Directed by Matt Earl Beesley Mr. Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje) is my favorite addition to season two. In this episode, his backstory is revealed. He's a drug lord from Nigeria who sent the plane full of heroin that crashes on the island. He's also a religious man whose priest brother was killed because of him. Mr. Eko replaces Locke as the spiritual character on the show and I think he's a lot better at it. #1 - DAVEOriginal Airdate: April 5, 2006 Written by Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz (creators of Once Upon a Time) Directed by Jack Bender Hurley's past as a mental institute patient is revealed as he has a mental breakdown on the island. The writers also mindf--k with the audience when they introduce the concept of the entire show taking place inside Hurley's mind. You know... like in St. Elsewhere. Then, they have the nerves to conclude the episode with a twist ending. It's a very ballsy episode. Bump
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 25, 2018 15:32:09 GMT -5
Wrong!
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Post by thebtskink on Aug 25, 2018 17:30:12 GMT -5
Wonder what would have happened with the show is Eko, Libby, and AnaLucia all didnt get DUIs in the span of a year or so.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Aug 25, 2018 17:40:52 GMT -5
Oh jeez. You just had to rip that wound of them killing off Libby and Eko right open, didn't ya?
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Post by Virus on Aug 26, 2018 19:37:35 GMT -5
Eko got a DUI?
Well as stated above, they really didn’t push the story that much further. Their stories were complete, I’d rather have them die than just chopping coconuts in the background. It was rather weird though.
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Post by thebtskink on Aug 26, 2018 21:45:02 GMT -5
All three of those actors got a DUI within a year of each other and were forced off the show by Disney.
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