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Post by IanTheCool on Apr 14, 2015 19:16:22 GMT -5
The academy was right this year. Braveheart all the way!
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Post by Neverending on Apr 14, 2015 20:05:08 GMT -5
I love Braveheart. It's one of my favorite Best Picture winners, but 1995 had better movies to offer.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 14, 2015 20:50:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I do enjoy Braveheart a lot, but I don't think it can compete with films like Seven, Heat, or Before Sunrise.
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Post by IanTheCool on Apr 14, 2015 21:23:59 GMT -5
Well, its certainly better than Usual Suspects.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 14, 2015 21:29:13 GMT -5
Well, its certainly better than Usual Suspects. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Apr 14, 2015 21:34:02 GMT -5
Explain to me why its so good.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 14, 2015 21:41:48 GMT -5
Explain to me why its so good. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Apr 14, 2015 21:52:50 GMT -5
A well-constructed argument, as always.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 14, 2015 22:17:10 GMT -5
A well-constructed argument, as always. Braveheart is a great action movie that's fun to watch. The Usual Suspects is a well written and well acted film that's fun to dissect. Whichever you choose comes down to preference. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Apr 15, 2015 9:51:14 GMT -5
I never saw Waterworld although I did see the Universal Studios show when I was about 12. It was pretty good. I saw The Postman before but not recently. Yeah it's pretty terrible. Neverending is just making shit up now. |
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Post by Neverending on Apr 15, 2015 10:41:53 GMT -5
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Apr 15, 2015 11:03:53 GMT -5
This isn't nearly as egregious as your last one, and I haven't seen "A Simple Plan" so I can't really knock your loving spree of the film. And "Saving Private Ryan" not even garnering a nomination is even worse than in real life when it lost, at least it was nominated. You should re-do your re-do.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 15, 2015 11:09:43 GMT -5
"Saving Private Ryan" not even garnering a nomination is even worse than in real life when it lost, at least it was nominated. You should re-do your re-do. Saving Private Ryan doesn't live-up to the opening scene. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Apr 15, 2015 11:13:03 GMT -5
I could say the same thing about "Raiders of the Lost Ark", doesn't mean they aren't great films just because the opening sequence is the most iconic part of them.
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Post by IanTheCool on Apr 15, 2015 11:26:11 GMT -5
hear hear!
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Post by Neverending on Apr 15, 2015 12:35:59 GMT -5
I could say the same thing about "Raiders of the Lost Ark" Can you? Indy shooting sword guy. Indy under a truck. The face melting. Those are iconic scenes too. What does Ryan have after the opening scene? Tom Hanks shooting a tank? |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Apr 15, 2015 12:54:45 GMT -5
Maybe a sniper shooting another sniper through the scope. Or just about every other scene in the film. It might not be riddled with "moments" like something a little more reliant on those types of scenes like Raiders, but the overall film is excellent and each scene is solid. I haven't seen it in years to be honest, but it should've won Best Picture in 1998 for sure.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 15, 2015 13:00:49 GMT -5
Maybe a sniper shooting another sniper through the scope. Amusing scene but no where near the greatness of the D-day battle. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Apr 15, 2015 13:09:58 GMT -5
Maybe a sniper shooting another sniper through the scope. Amusing scene but no where near the greatness of the D-day battle. So Indy shooting the sword guy is on par with running from the giant boulder? Face it, your argument has more holes in it than Ray Liotta's mug! |
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Post by Neverending on Apr 15, 2015 13:13:56 GMT -5
So Indy shooting the sword guy is on par with running from the giant boulder? Yes! And the car chase. And the faces melting. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Apr 15, 2015 13:17:37 GMT -5
Great scenes, not as spectacular as the opening sequence though.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 15, 2015 13:29:49 GMT -5
Great scenes, not as spectacular as the opening sequence though. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Apr 15, 2015 13:49:38 GMT -5
Terrific scene, makes the one from Crystal Skull even more pathetic in retrospect.
The argument isn't that Raiders doesn't have a ton of great scenes, I know it does which is why it's a great film. The argument is that a movie can't be judged negatively because the opening sequence is the best scene in the movie. Normally I'd say well, yeah, that makes sense, but in terms of Private Ryan we know that's not the case.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 15, 2015 14:07:08 GMT -5
In terms of Private Ryan... I think what hurts Saving Private Ryan is that the D-Day battle has nothing to do with the rest of the movie. Sure, it introduces the characters and sets the mood, but it has nothing to do with the rescue mission that the story focuses on and that makes it feel like a separate thing from the main movie. With Raiders it's different because the opening scene establishes the relationship between the hero and the villain. Indiana Jones goes through all that trouble to get the artifact and it's immediately stolen by the bad guy, and that's something that happens throughout the story. Indy never has ownership of the Ark. Even when the Nazi's are killed, the U.S. government takes the Ark away and puts it in a storage room. There's a theme running from beginning through end. Saving Private Ryan doesn't really have that except for brotherhood and the horrors of war, but that's something you get in almost every war movie, so it's not special. That recreation of D-Day is the bread and butter of the movie. Without it, I don't think anyone would care too much about the movie. At least Indiana Jones can survive without the boulder. |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Apr 15, 2015 14:17:39 GMT -5
In terms of Private Ryan... I think what hurts Saving Private Ryan is that the D-Day battle has nothing to do with the rest of the movie. Sure, it introduces the characters and sets the mood, but it has nothing to do with the rescue mission that the story focuses on and that makes it feel like a separate thing from the main movie. With Raiders it's different because the opening scene establishes the relationship between the hero and the villain. Indiana Jones goes through all that trouble to get the artifact and it's immediately stolen by the bad guy, and that's something that happens throughout the story. Indy never has ownership of the Ark. Even when the Nazi's are killed, the U.S. government takes the Ark away and puts it in a storage room. There's a theme running from beginning through end. Saving Private Ryan doesn't really have that except for brotherhood and the horrors of war, but that's something you get in almost every war movie, so it's not special. That recreation of D-Day is the bread and butter of the movie. Without it, I don't think anyone would care too much about the movie. At least Indiana Jones can survive without the boulder. Actually... that's a really excellent point. It's a fantastic scene, though it's there to be spectacular and place us into the time, not so much the plot. I still think it's a very good film, but this is a much better argument. Maybe your argument isn't as holey as Ray Liotta after all. |
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