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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 8, 2016 21:53:04 GMT -5
I found this Fox segment particularly ironic, as these conservative talking heads point out what a terrible candidate Trump is, while simultaneously condemning other news outlets for pointing out what a terrible candidate Trump is.
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Post by Jibbs on Aug 9, 2016 21:34:37 GMT -5
Oh man, the excuse they came up with is hilarious.
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Post by Ramplate on Aug 10, 2016 2:38:04 GMT -5
A public figure should never make a statement,joke or not, that some lunatics could run with like that. High security professionals are united in saying that he would be dangerous for the office of the president.
Also, I am hoping that the people who bought his "I'm for you" bullshit realize the economic plan he outlined the other night is better for the rich, not them.
A tax cut for everyone including the people who get all kinds of deductions and loopholes and don't need it. The wealthy can afford to pay more. This will leave the national debt bigger.
Deregulation is what led to the Wall St idiots to play fast and loose with the world economy.
The so called "death tax" he wants to eliminate is the inheritance tax - that only applies to the top 2% and does nothing for the rest of us.
The deductions for child care is for people who have enough to itemize their deductions, and that's not poor people. In fact, a rich person could conceivably use that to deduct something like the use of a private jet (just take the kids with you)
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Post by Neverending on Aug 10, 2016 11:48:20 GMT -5
Sounds like Trump wants to go back to Bush era. When he says, "Make America Great Again" people think he's talking about the 50's, but dude's talking about 2008.
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Post by Ramplate on Aug 10, 2016 14:04:47 GMT -5
Sounds like Trump wants to go back to Bush era. When he says, "Make America Great Again" people think he's talking about the 50's, but dude's talking about 2008. Nope Reagan Era. Let the wealthy have all the money and it will trickle down to the lower classes. That's already proven not to work. The rich got richer and kept it, it didn't trickle anywhere. Rich people usually horde money and pay as little as possible - that's how they stay rich.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 10, 2016 14:35:54 GMT -5
They're Reagan policies, but Bush viewpoint. Small-to-mid level businesses were still successful in the 80's. The money may have not trickled down per say, but there was still more job opportunities and less overall corruption. Bush, on the other hand, destroyed the middle class. Now we just have greedy and corrupt conglomerates and everyone is working "for the man." Obama has tried to stabilize things by trying to keep companies here and raising wages and releasing ObamaCare, the home affordable act, cash-for-clunkers, etc. BUT we're still suffering from the Bush years. There is no definitive middle class anymore. Most people are either upper middle class or right above the poverty line. And most of the jobs available are really shitty. So if Donald Trump were to become President and adopt the Reagan policies, it would just take us back to 2008 and another recession - possibly a depression.
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Post by Ramplate on Aug 10, 2016 15:45:38 GMT -5
. BUT we're still suffering from the Bush years. There is no definitive middle class anymore. Most people are either upper middle class or right above the poverty line. And most of the jobs available are really shitty. So if Donald Trump were to become President and adopt the Reagan policies, it would just take us back to 2008 and another recession - possibly a depression. Hard to really pick a point to which he'd take us back to with foreign policy. You could pick parts like the cold war, the rise of Hitler, Isolationism, or other dangerous policies that will allow others to do what they want to smaller countries, and he's also repeatedly asked why we can't nuke people. He is fond of making open ended statements that hint at violence - some of which would call for anyone else to be arrested.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 12, 2016 20:24:02 GMT -5
Can we... disqualify Trump? Just make the election Hillary vs Gary Johnson? Please?
The latest non-sense from Trump is claiming that Hillary is gonna cheat in Pennsylvania.
What the fuck are you talking about?
20% of Pennsylvania is minorities, none of which are voting for Trump. And the 80% white isn't exclusively voting for Trump. Does this guy seriously think all white people are voting for him?
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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 12, 2016 21:44:00 GMT -5
Does this guy seriously think all white people are voting for him? No, he doesn't think all white people will vote for him. Trump feels they will, though. He doesn't think at all, since his feelings are preferable to what his brain would tell him if given half a chance.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 12, 2016 22:48:11 GMT -5
Does this guy seriously think all white people are voting for him? No, he doesn't think all white people will vote for him. Trump feels they will, though. He doesn't think at all, since his feelings are preferable to what his brain would tell him if given half a chance. Hillary doesn't even need a majority of the white votes. If she gets 40%, she wins Pennsylvania.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 13, 2016 0:54:41 GMT -5
I'm watching this documentary on Fusion about sex trafficking. The on-going debate is whether or not to legalize prostitution and create regulations and hopefully eliminate trafficking or at least dramatically reduce it.
They explain that 37% of women choose to be sex workers and 63% are sex slaves. 37% is high enough that a legal profession should at least be considered.
Now here's the counter-argument. Slavery used to be legal. What IF it had been regulated? What IF the government had said: no children, good food and great work conditions. At the end of the day, it's still fucking slavery. And those 63% of sex slaves are probably never gonna go away. They'll just adapt to a regulated world.
Interesting debate.
The solution, according to Sweden, seems to be: legalize the sale of sex but keep the purchase illegal. Meaning, sex slaves won't be scared to seek help. Not all of them will report things, cause it's a very complicated issue, but it'll help a great deal. It can reduce that 63%.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 13, 2016 9:26:38 GMT -5
The notion that Trump can win Pennsylvania is pie-in-the-sky thinking, and it has been from the start. Of all the polls conducted there in 2016, only two of them didn't show Clinton with a lead in Pennsylvania. One was around the time of the RNC with Trump ahead by only 1 point, and the other was a tie between him and Clinton. All other polls have shown Clinton to have a commanding lead. As of today, Clinton has 269 Electoral votes locked down solid. Barring some unforeseen scandal that's big enough to rock the election against Clinton, the best Trump can hope for is a tie. Here in the real world though, the odds that he can take every remaining battleground state are virtually non-existent. The GOP's own research shows that the only way they can win the Presidency is to win over the Hispanic community, and their candidate has gone out of his way at every opportunity to anger that community.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 13, 2016 10:04:54 GMT -5
There's truth to all that but I think it's dangerous to assume Clinton has this locked up. Firstly we need to make sure no one assumes they don't need to turn out to vote and secondly I worry that those polls are being swayed by people who are too embarrassed to say out loud to a pollster that they support Trump.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 13, 2016 11:11:07 GMT -5
There's truth to all that but I think it's dangerous to assume Clinton has this locked up. Firstly we need to make sure no one assumes they don't need to turn out to vote and secondly I worry that those polls are being swayed by people who are too embarrassed to say out loud to a pollster that they support Trump. Three months is certainly enough time for a scandal to arise. I would never dispute that. That said however, any new scandal capable of dissuading voters from Clinton would have to be severe enough to overshadow the ongoing scandal of things that come out of Trump's mouth on a near daily basis. I'd say that at least one or two significant scandals about Clinton are bound to arise between now and 11/8. For such events to have an impact though, the Trump campaign has to manage to stay focused on that scandal while not providing a fresh new scandal that diverts the wrath of the press back onto himself. I have little doubt that the Clinton campaign has contingency plans for just such a problem. If a fresh issue arises that has the potential to disrupt her campaign's momentum, all they have to do is trot out an every-man to speak out against Trump. There's somebody out there who lost his job and medical care because of a Trump bankruptcy with a tale of tragedy to tell, and the Clinton campaign is going to keep them in reserve for just such an emergency. It will be Khizr Khan all over again.
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Post by Dracula on Aug 13, 2016 13:34:17 GMT -5
There's truth to all that but I think it's dangerous to assume Clinton has this locked up. Firstly we need to make sure no one assumes they don't need to turn out to vote and secondly I worry that those polls are being swayed by people who are too embarrassed to say out loud to a pollster that they support Trump. Three months is certainly enough time for a scandal to arise. I would never dispute that. That said however, any new scandal capable of dissuading voters from Clinton would have to be severe enough to overshadow the ongoing scandal of things that come out of Trump's mouth on a near daily basis. I'd say that at least one or two significant scandals about Clinton are bound to arise between now and 11/8. For such events to have an impact though, the Trump campaign has to manage to stay focused on that scandal while not providing a fresh new scandal that diverts the wrath of the press back onto himself. Perhaps, but there seems to be a total double (nay, triple or quadrupal) standard in this election. Trump says things that would have automatically disqualified pretty much anyone in a world that isn't upside down while Clinton gets berated for dumb shit like email servers.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 13, 2016 16:39:09 GMT -5
Dracula WyldstaarFact is, young people need to show up. Black people need to show up. Hispanics need to show up. If you let old white people decide this election, Trump will win.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 13, 2016 19:27:24 GMT -5
Perhaps, but there seems to be a total double (nay, triple or quadrupal) standard in this election. Trump says things that would have automatically disqualified pretty much anyone in a world that isn't upside down while Clinton gets berated for dumb shit like email servers. Clinton does get bashed for crap like the email server thing, but it doesn't seem to have had any impact. The only ones to get vitriolic about it are those who either think Trump walks on water, or already hated Clinton so much that one more thing doesn't really matter. I think one of the main reasons she's doing so well is because the standards of conduct have been brought so incredibly low this election. The GOP have a candidate who have been sued more times than ALL former Presidential candidates combined, declines to renounce endorsements from white supremacists, belittles people with physical handicaps, belittles war heroes, belittles the families of war heroes, talks about things he wants to do as President which directly violate the US Constitution, etc... Next to all that, almost any scandal on Clinton is going to look like small potatoes to the average voter. I think the next big turning point in the election is bound to be the debates, regardless of if they happen at all. Clinton has stated that she's game, any time, any where. Trump is already grumbling about how he'll only participate if he gets everything his way, particularly regarding the moderator.
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Post by Ramplate on Aug 14, 2016 1:01:03 GMT -5
Dracula Wyldstaar Fact is, young people need to show up. Black people need to show up. Hispanics need to show up. If you let old white people decide this election, Trump will win. No. It's disaffected young and old that feel things are not going well that are voting for Trump. Age has little to do with it, he has the uneducated redneck trailer trash vote. I bet he's also hoping for some of the rich vote looking at his economic ideas he's been trying to tell the uneducated is for them.
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Post by Ramplate on Aug 17, 2016 7:49:09 GMT -5
Today Trump gets his first official security meeting, because when the candidates get closer to election day they brief both of them with the basics to get the winner up to speed on the day they take office.
How long do you think it will be before he spills the beans on something top secret on Twitter or in one of his ad-libbed speeches?
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 17, 2016 21:16:01 GMT -5
This is such a farce. And yet, its still happening... and the stakes are so damn high...
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Post by Wyldstaar on Aug 18, 2016 18:24:40 GMT -5
Unjustifiably smug Trump crony Michael Cohen crashes and burns on national television in spectacular fashion.
I hope Cohen enjoyed his time on TV, because nobody is going to allow him to speak on behalf of any campaign ever again.
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Post by Jibbs on Aug 18, 2016 18:27:41 GMT -5
"Most of them...all of them?"
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