Politics Thread

I'm not sure it was THAT quick. Indecision 2000 and the Bush years were his golden era. I think the turning point was after the midterm elections of 2010 when the republicans made it their mission to stifle Obama. From then until he left he was more soapbox than comedian.

What an insensitive jerk!

Trump made some comments about the Gold Star parents of Sgt. Khan, that created a lot of adverse reactions from everyone.

And in an interview about it he was asked, "What have you sacrificed?"

Trump went on to say that he has “made a lot of sacrifices. I’ve worked very, very hard. I’ve created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs, built great structures. I’ve done – I’ve had tremendous success.”

That's not sacrifice idiot! That's Him gaining wealth on the backs of others and sometimes at their expense because he left them holding the bag!


EDIT:  Now this morning I hear the stupid jerk went off on a fire marshal saying how he limited the number of people allowed to his rally to 1,000 people because of political reasons.

The fire marshal determined the safe capacity of the venue by law!  Not because he might be a Democrat!

He just goes off on everyone he disagrees with, or whatever because Trump always has to be the boss and always has to be right. 

Some commentators have said at various times in the campaign that Trump doesn't want to be President, he just wanted the attention. I think that might be true but then his rants took off.
Trump is used to going into work and seeing hat happens, and starts making phone calls to others to get something done. That's not going to work in the oval office.  If he gets elected he'll be delegating other people to handle things and pretty much be a puppet who acts like he's in charge.

Basically another President Grant. Grant was popular after winning the war, but he wasn't a politician. His backers put him in there to try to pull his strings.

Wouldn't it be great if it could be proven he was a shill con man? For many obvious reasons, but mostly so I would never lose a fight with a Republican again in my life. Except you'd never be able to find someone who would admit to have voted for him.

Anyone who is involved in this many court cases and isn't a court employee IS a shill and a con man.

An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate.[1] Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy, third party, or other in 150.[1] Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court.[2] A number of other cases (over 150) were in the Seventeenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida (covering Broward County, Florida) since 1983.[3]
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

There's already copious evidence that he's a con man (among other things)... but that doesn't matter to his supporters who always shout "liberal media" whenever you try to tell them things. Truthiness truly has taken over.

Here's the short n' sweet rundown from America Ian, Trump is an idiot.  A huge idiot.  Just look at the stuff he's doing right now, he's unhinged.  He's been getting into verbal spats with a man whose son was killed in Iraq.  What respectable man does that?

But...

People really goddamn hate Hillary Clinton. Like, really hate her, even members of her own party.  That's why she's not crushing Trump like any other Democrat would be doing.  People pretend to like her, they tell themselves she's a good candidate but the fact that she's not up 15 points on the guy proves how weak of a candidate she is.  The only reason she's up right now is because of her post-convention bump, they were virtually tied the week before.  

That said, Hillary is probably going to win.  She's up in all the major swing states (states that could vote either way, in some of them she's way up) and even in some solid Republican states like Utah she's very competitive.

I don't know what the fuck Doomsday is talking about. Who the fuck hates Hillary Clinton? She isn't popular in Washington, never has been, but the average voter has no reason to hate her. The truth is that she's no BILL Clinton. As a public figure, Hillary is just not interesting. She doesn't have the charisma of Obama, the lovable hijinks of Bill, the neighborly approach of Carter nor the authority of Johnson, Kennedy and Roosevelt. If she were a guy, and got elected, she'd be one of those forgotten Presidents that only history books acknowledge. Trump, as awful as he is, at least gets people's attention. And that leads to another truth, most voters don't care about policy. They just want a good personality saying the right thing. An Oompa Loompa promising to built a wall sounds great to some people, even though the likelihood of it happening is slim.

The Sanders people might feel that way but there are no facts to back that up.  The super delegates were a non-factor, she won the popular vote.  The rules about "closed primaries" in states like New York were rules that were long in place and certainly weren't started just for Hilary's benefit.  I'll admit that some of the debate scheduling was a bit fishy but she ended up doing great in the debates and probably would have benefited if they were scheduled the way the Sanders people wanted them to be.  Any way you cut it you fall on Clinton having simply won the election in about as fair and square of a fashion as anyone ever wins a primary.

You're probably right that a big part of her problem is that Obama is a really tough act to follow, but that's not a reason to hate somebody.  I'm sure she is the face of the status quo but... the status quo is working, or at least it's working about as well as an unwieldy system like this can work.  Part of her problem is that she's (mostly) making very realistic promises that can actually work instead of making ridiculous proposals like free university education that can never be passed in this kind of political climate.  It's easy to get people on your side when you make promises you know you'll never be able to keep.

The evidence is the leaked emails from Wasserman-Shultz that showed ideas were being bandied about. Whether or not any of the idea were carried out, it is still evidence of intent to sway the  vote and that is clearly overreaching their scope of duty to the party.

We are in a better position than projected under Obama even with an obstructionist Congress .

I think a lot of these younger voters don't really understand how good we've had it under Obama.  They didn't live through the Bush years, they don't understand what it was like to be in the political minority and feel like you desperately be on the defensive while Republicans are doing everything to undue the progress we've made.  They should be focused less on trying to push further and further and worry more about preserving the progress they've made.  If they think they're going to get anything more than "incremental change" in this polarized climate they're delusional.

Very true.
Unfortunately , we will still see the obstructionists at work unless some of them lose their positions.
This country needs to learn to work together again for the good of everyone