Politics Thread

I think Dooms is right in that Americans still see the word "socialist" as a dirty, dangerous word. I'm amazed that he's made it this far honestly.

Indeed. But the problem right now, as I see it, are the Bernie Bros. Many are pledging not to vote if he doesn't win the nomination. This could be really short-sighted and stupid.

And they'll snap back into shape once they realize that the alternative is Trump.

You know what's ironic? These are the same people who hate Andrew Jackson and are glad that he's being replaced on the front of the $20 bill by Harriet Tubman. I have nothing against Tubman being on money, but the celebration of Jackson's demise makes me wonder if most people should have stayed awake in history class. The Trail of Tears is nothing to be proud of and Jackson should be criticized for it, but there's a reason why in spite of that he's generally considered one of our best President 's. Jackson was our first outsider. He was the one who championed the common man and made the government less elitist - or at least tried to. The people who supported Jackson in the 1820's are the same who would support Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump today.

Bill Clinton would beg to differ...

Dracula Ramplate

Jackson was the first President to pay off the national debt but there was still a recession cause of issues in Europe. Some have argued that without Jackson we might not have survived the early days cause we would have been broke. In addition to the recession, we had to fight Spain to get Florida and had to threaten South Carolina because they wanted to leave the union. Jackson was also the first President to launch an investigation into political corruption, something that would be VERY popular today. And he was also in favor of term limits. Like George Washington, he felt that no one should be in power for too long. That would also make him popular with today's voters.

True, Jackson did a lot of good for our country. But honestly, I'd rather have the Native-American community still be intact and not a series of dilapidated reservations. You can probably ask any Native-American and they'll just tell you that he was a bastard who helped steal their land. Dracula is right: Hitler did a lot of good for the economy, but at what cost?

Can you really be good for the economy if you launched World War II and pissed off the Russians so much that they joined forces with their enemy just to kick your ass?

Yes opening another front was his big downfall, but exporting your aggression does boost the economy, and help stop unrest at home - that was a good move on his point.  He should have stopped at Poland, or at least taken a breather - no one was really attacking him up until then.

The Iroquois refer to George Washington as The Town Destroyer.  The title originally belonged to his great-grandfather John Washington, but when George ordered the destruction of about 40 Iroquois settlements during the American Revolution, they transferred the title to him. 

It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue (or money) made of 'em was one kinda sombitch or another.

Warren makes sense if she desperately needs to win back Sanders voters, but I suspect most of them are going to calm down and play ball (and there's probably no winning back the ones who won't)

She probably has the woman vote tied up so Klobucher is probably off the list.  If she's running against Trump she probably doesn't need to worry about the latino vote, so cross off Castro and Perez.  

The black vote is probably more tenuous, at least in terms of turnout so Deval Patrick makes sense, although she may prefer a Senator over a Governor so that once in office they would be better able to broker deals and whatnot.  In that even Sherrod Brown makes sense in that he could help deliver Ohio and Tim Kaine could help shore up white working class voters... although they could well be out of reach at this point.

Sherrod Brown is off the list because if he leaves the Senate, a Republican will replace him. The democrats don't want that.

Julian Castro and Thomas Perez are the go-to guys if Ted Cruz gets the nomination - which won't happen unless the Republicans pull super delegates out of their ass and deny Trump the nomination.

Tom Kaine is considered "too boring". This is Trump's election, whether democrats want to admit it or not. The media is always gonna cover all Trump and push Clinton off the spotlight.

Mark Warner is too rich. It'll turn off the Sanders base.

So it'll come down to Elizabeth Warren, Deval Patrick and Amy Klobucher. Basically the Sanders vote, the Black vote and the girl-power vote.

I still give Warren the edge cause she's been playing ball. She could have easily run for President and fucked up Clinton. Sanders only came to the scene when Warren stepped away and he's been a bigger challenger than expected. So if the less radical Warren had run, she would have gotten the nomination for sure. Clinton owes her.

Deval Patrick is definitely the safe choice since he's the Black vote that Clinton needs. I'm not saying that Black people don't support Clinton. But the turnout won't be as big as Obama. Having a Black guy on the ballot will definitely help.

Amy Klobucher is the Joe Biden for Clinton. She's laid back and has a sense of humor. That could be useful for Clinton since she's considered super stiff and will struggle to steal media attention from Trump.