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Post by Neverending on Mar 2, 2016 23:11:15 GMT -5
Because young people can't be trusted, I had to change my party affiliation from Independent to Democrat so I can vote for Bernie Sanders. If you're in one of the 15 states that has closed primaries (New York, Jersey, Pennsylvania, etc), swallow your pride and become a registered democrat. Do you REALLY wanna see Hilary Clinton go up against Donald Trump? It's a risk too big to make.
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Post by Dracula on Mar 2, 2016 23:23:07 GMT -5
Do you REALLY wanna see Hilary Clinton go up against Donald Trump? It's a risk too big to make.  Sanders is a far more polarizing figure who would have a much harder time winning over moderate Republicans and Independents who could be swayed to switch allegiance because they're disgusted by Trump. Hilary's also clearly stronger with black and latino voters, and those are demographic that the democrats desperate need to turn out to vote in the general. |
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Post by Neverending on Mar 3, 2016 0:10:07 GMT -5
Do you REALLY wanna see Hilary Clinton go up against Donald Trump? It's a risk too big to make. Sanders is a far more polarizing figure who would have a much harder time winning over moderate Republicans and Independents who could be swayed to switch allegiance because they're disgusted by Trump. Hilary's also clearly stronger with black and latino voters, and those are demographic that the democrats desperate need to turn out to vote in the general. Hilary is too easy a target for Trump and the Republicans. They would destroy her with the attack ads. Hilary hasn't even gotten the democratic nomination and Trump is already going on national television and calling her a war criminal. Obama had to deal with 8 years of being called a Muslim and people asking if he was even born in America. Just imagine the shit that Hilary will have to deal with since she has a political career going back to Watergate. John Kerry lost in 2004 because they dug up nonsense from the past. I feel that Sanders will be a tougher candidate for Trump to discredit. The only obvious criticism he has is that Sanders is delusional, but he can't exactly use that cause he's the guy who wants to built a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. Trump and Sanders is basically two extremist going against each other and that's the perfect representation of America right now. As for the Black and Latino vote, Sanders has time to reach out to them. He learned his lesson yesterday. He's gotta do a better job with them. Besides... Blacks and Latinos aren't gonna vote for Trump, so regardless, he's their default candidate. He's just gotta motivate them to vote, just like Obama did. |
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Post by Ramplate on Mar 3, 2016 1:40:21 GMT -5
Polls have them both soundly beating TRUMP in the election, so if Trump is the nominee things seem to lean toward him not winning
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Post by Neverending on Mar 3, 2016 1:59:11 GMT -5
Polls have them both soundly beating TRUMP in the election, so if Trump is the nominee things seem to lean toward him not winning The Republicans hate Trump as much as liberals do, but I don't see them supporting Clinton or Sanders. That's the elephant in the room. Trump is successful cause he's motivating white middle class families who never fully recovered from 2008. You get those people and combine them with the traditional Republican voters and those are the record numbers we've been seeing lately. Clinton, and especially Sanders, will lose if liberals don't make a greeter effort to vote. That's why Clinton makes me nervous. If Trump destroys her in the press, it might discourage people from voting because they'll assume it's a lost cause. Sanders would be a much tougher opponent for Trump. And he gets people excited. Clinton doesn't. She's too vanilla. Sanders just needs to get MORE people excited and start focus on minorities and people who actually vote. He put too much energy into young people. You can't count on them. They've already proven to be unreliable. Focus on people over 30. Focus on minorities. Focus on women. And this SHOULD be an easy win for him. |
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Post by Dracula on Mar 3, 2016 7:22:30 GMT -5
Sanders is a far more polarizing figure who would have a much harder time winning over moderate Republicans and Independents who could be swayed to switch allegiance because they're disgusted by Trump. Hilary's also clearly stronger with black and latino voters, and those are demographic that the democrats desperate need to turn out to vote in the general. Hilary is too easy a target for Trump and the Republicans. They would destroy her with the attack ads. Hilary hasn't even gotten the democratic nomination and Trump is already going on national television and calling her a war criminal. Obama had to deal with 8 years of being called a Muslim and people asking if he was even born in America. Just imagine the shit that Hilary will have to deal with since she has a political career going back to Watergate. John Kerry lost in 2004 because they dug up nonsense from the past. I feel that Sanders will be a tougher candidate for Trump to discredit. The only obvious criticism he has is that Sanders is delusional, but he can't exactly use that cause he's the guy who wants to built a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. Trump and Sanders is basically two extremist going against each other and that's the perfect representation of America right now. As for the Black and Latino vote, Sanders has time to reach out to them. He learned his lesson yesterday. He's gotta do a better job with them. Besides... Blacks and Latinos aren't gonna vote for Trump, so regardless, he's their default candidate. He's just gotta motivate them to vote, just like Obama did. Remember the fight to pass the Affordable Care Act? What was the one word that the Republicans kept throwing around to discredit it? "Socialism." Imagine the attacks they'll have against someone who actually self-identifies as a democratic socialist. And it's not like Bernie Sanders doesn't also have a political career going back to the 60s and 70s. They're going to dig up some unpopular votes that Sanders has made in that time. If not I'm sure they'll just make up some bullshit just as easily as they did with Obama and Hilary. Not to mention the fact that he's an aloof senior citizen that a lot of people would probably rather not have as the guy going head-to-head with Putin. No, this is going to be a battle for the silent majority of moderates, most of them are going to be very put off by Trump and are going to go for Hilary because she seems like the adult in the room. Polls have them both soundly beating TRUMP in the election, so if Trump is the nominee things seem to lean toward him not winning No, Neverending is right about this, Trump is a dangerous wildcard and a threat we need to take very seriously. I'm still desperately hoping that Cruz somehow rallies and beats him because that guy's prospects in the general are truly moribund what with him plainly being an asshole who has nothing to offer to anyone who doesn't regularly listen to right-wing talk radio. |
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Post by Ramplate on Mar 3, 2016 8:41:56 GMT -5
I still think if Trump is the nominee the next President will be Democrat.
Clinton is damaged goods, but the damage is already out there on display. I doubt any more would matter at this point.
A lot of Republicans out there are not liking Trump at all and I have seen some say, they would be forced to vote Hillary in instead.
The delegate and super delegate votes are really what counts in the final analysis, and I don't see many of those on the inside of politics going for someone who has no facts or working knowledge of how the system really works from the inside.
A lot of Trump's stated promises when it comes to Mexico and China, and other places will go against many treaties (all of which will have to go to Congress to break).
Mexicans are mostly going south at the moment,rather.than coming into the States, but if he tries to get them to pay for his wall by sanctions and cutting off trade - you can bet more poor Mexicans will be coming in to find work.
On the Democratic side there are a total of 4765 delegates, so 3286 are up for grabs still. A lot of states left to vote...yes, Clinton has about 60% of super delegates in line to vote for her, but Bernie Sanders is still in it to gain as many as he can.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 3, 2016 12:32:38 GMT -5
this is going to be a battle for the silent majority of moderates Obama targeted the moderates and that was the biggest criticism against him. People felt he wasn't aggressive enough. PLUS, the fact that moderates AND liberals didn't show up to mid-term elections didn't do him any favors either. Sanders is an extremist, but it's an extremist we need right now. Trump is a product of the right-wing extremist movement we've seen over the past 8 years. Moderation isn't gonna balance out all the damage they've done. Obama tried that and failed. We kinda need the opposite of Trump and a successful mid-term election in 2018 to get shit back on track for 2020. So like I said, Clinton may not seem exciting enough for most voters. Obama was a moderate but at least he knew how to work a crowd and got people motivated to vote. And that's the key to this election. People need to vote. Plain and simple. Trump and his supporters are nutjobs but they are NOT the majority. They can be defeated if people actually vote. I'd rather have Marco Rubio. Ted Cruz also make me nervous because he targets the evangelical vote that got George W. Bush elected twice - or once. Rubio seems like a Latino Mitt Romney. He tries to act smart but he's an idiot and will be his own worst enemy. |
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Post by Dracula on Mar 3, 2016 13:39:31 GMT -5
this is going to be a battle for the silent majority of moderates Obama targeted the moderates and that was the biggest criticism against him. People felt he wasn't aggressive enough. PLUS, the fact that moderates AND liberals didn't show up to mid-term elections didn't do him any favors either. Sanders is an extremist, but it's an extremist we need right now. Trump is a product of the right-wing extremist movement we've seen over the past 8 years. Moderation isn't gonna balance out all the damage they've done. Obama tried that and failed. We kinda need the opposite of Trump and a successful mid-term election in 2018 to get shit back on track for 2020. So like I said, Clinton may not seem exciting enough for most voters. Obama was a moderate but at least he knew how to work a crowd and got people motivated to vote. And that's the key to this election. People need to vote. Plain and simple. Trump and his supporters are nutjobs but they are NOT the majority. They can be defeated if people actually vote. I'd rather have Marco Rubio. Ted Cruz also make me nervous because he targets the evangelical vote that got George W. Bush elected twice - or once. Rubio seems like a Latino Mitt Romney. He tries to act smart but he's an idiot and will be his own worst enemy. You're forgetting that Trump is going to disgust so many people that liberals will come out to support just about anyone and moderates will be more up for for grabs than normal. Also, you're rightfully worried about mid-term, and Sanders would make it a lot harder for people to win senate and house races in purple states. |
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Post by Neverending on Mar 3, 2016 13:50:25 GMT -5
You're forgetting that Trump is going to disgust so many people that liberals will come out to support just about anyone and moderates will be more up for for grabs than normal. Where were these people when Bush got elected in 2004? I'm not saying you're wrong, but it is something to think about. Moderates and liberals have failed us before. |
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Post by RedVader on Mar 3, 2016 14:58:36 GMT -5
A Question does the other republican candidates look like they are dumber then George Bush. I mean there are worse things then Trump or Hilary and thats whats left on the Republican side.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Mar 3, 2016 15:13:46 GMT -5
Ted Cruz and Ben Carson are dumber than Trump for sure, they're both total morons. But they're not nearly as dangerous.
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Post by Ramplate on Mar 3, 2016 15:47:45 GMT -5
There's not much left on the republican side, period. They're pretty well on their way to meltdown after all the bullshit they've been playing in Congress. They're going to have to step back and take a good look at reality
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Post by RedVader on Mar 3, 2016 16:59:09 GMT -5
Trump Shouldnt be allowed to run because clearly he does not need a presidents salary and anyone who thinks Trump woulld sing over or foreit that much cash and buisnesses are in denial. Trump should donate his presidents salary too the poor or put it back into the econemy. This assumes if he would win.
I would run for president too give america the only option but 37 is a bit young for a president.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Mar 3, 2016 17:13:34 GMT -5
The President makes around $500,000 a year as a salary, actually less than that. Pumping that into the economy wouldn't do anything.
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Post by Ramplate on Mar 3, 2016 18:34:17 GMT -5
Yeah the other automatic perks of the job cost a lot more than the salary of $400,000.00 And actually you only need to be 35 to be POTUS, but Im sorry somehow I don't think you'd be elected  |
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Post by RedVader on Mar 3, 2016 20:53:18 GMT -5
Yeah theres that whole Electorial process where you can more or less buy your self in and I believe Trump can buy his way in.
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Post by Ramplate on Mar 4, 2016 6:42:35 GMT -5
Putin says no Trump's it's much smaller Apparently Even Rice's is bigger. |
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Post by Neverending on Mar 5, 2016 23:58:37 GMT -5
Republicans
Trump won Kentucky and Louisiana
Cruz won Kansas and Maine
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Sanders won Kansas and Nebraska
Clinton won Louisiana
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Post by RedVader on Mar 6, 2016 18:53:42 GMT -5
Thing about Cruz was he in the KKK or did he know someone in the KKK.
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Post by Doomsday on Mar 7, 2016 16:18:18 GMT -5
Haha, because his supporters are racist, get it? Leave it to SNL to break new ground in comedy and hit those topics that escape everybody else.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 7, 2016 16:56:50 GMT -5
his supporters are racist Trump attracts racists - and even panders to them - but I don't think most of his supporters are racists. Is it possible to get the Republican nomination by ONLY getting racist voters? That would be like saying that Obama became President because only Black people voted for him. The SNL sketch was "clever" because it presented both sides. Most Trump supporters do believe that he's a great business man who'll create better jobs - and they also like that he "keeps it real" and is a political outsider. But are those good enough reasons to ignore the outlandish stuff he proposes? Even if you aren't racist - or sexist - you kind of become one by association. |
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Post by Doomsday on Mar 7, 2016 17:30:08 GMT -5
Trump aside (I can't stand the guy) my post was mainly a dig at SNL.
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Sanders is a far more polarizing figure who would have a much harder time winning over moderate Republicans and Independents who could be swayed to switch allegiance because they're disgusted by Trump. Hilary's also clearly stronger with black and latino voters, and those are demographic that the democrats desperate need to turn out to vote in the general.
