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Post by docstop on Jan 7, 2021 7:53:38 GMT -5
I talked with a few of my left leaning friends earlier today and then a couple of my very conservative friends a while after. Of course thy have different ideas on things but the one area of agreement is that the GOP has been set on fire and thrown off a bridge. In a way it's funny to think that a year ago the Republican party was in a pretty good spot. Then shit happened but there was some room for optimism. Then the election happened but there were still some bright spots for them to look at. They look like they're in a pretty good spot for retaking the House (at least they did) and it was likely they were going to keep the Senate. Not anymore. It was only after the election that Trump soaked the party in gasoline and set it on fire. He did what people said he was going to do, he dragged the Republican party down with him while he sank. I just don't think anyone expected it was going to happen in the final few weeks of his presidency. Maybe this is American political blasphemy but I have zero doubt there will be Republicans out there who want to completely divest themselves from that party but also don't want to go team Democrat either. Could a third political party arise from this all? Here in Canada we have 4 fairly strong parties but there are actually more than that. |
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Post by thebtskink on Jan 7, 2021 8:10:59 GMT -5
That could go a few ways.
Cruz wants to run in 2024, but thinks he has to hold on to the 4chan crowd to stand a chance..
Does the republican party purge itself of the 4chan crowd, do the traditional conservatives leave themselves, or scarier does the 4chan crowd leave voluntarily and form a more radical party? How large does their influence stay?
The website that was created when reddit banned r/thedonald was openly planning this insurrection (thedonald.win). Thanks to some of the more activist journalists, it appears that their host will be shutting them down in 21 days.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 7, 2021 8:13:33 GMT -5
I talked with a few of my left leaning friends earlier today and then a couple of my very conservative friends a while after. Of course thy have different ideas on things but the one area of agreement is that the GOP has been set on fire and thrown off a bridge. In a way it's funny to think that a year ago the Republican party was in a pretty good spot. Then shit happened but there was some room for optimism. Then the election happened but there were still some bright spots for them to look at. They look like they're in a pretty good spot for retaking the House (at least they did) and it was likely they were going to keep the Senate. Not anymore. It was only after the election that Trump soaked the party in gasoline and set it on fire. He did what people said he was going to do, he dragged the Republican party down with him while he sank. I just don't think anyone expected it was going to happen in the final few weeks of his presidency. Maybe this is American political blasphemy but I have zero doubt there will be Republicans out there who want to completely divest themselves from that party but also don't want to go team Democrat either. Could a third political party arise from this all? Here in Canada we have 4 fairly strong parties but there are actually more than that. Third parties just do not work in the American political system like they can in parliamentary systems. The electoral college basically ensures that. Imagine a world where Biden and Trump won all the same states except the Green Party took California and New York, leaving Trump with more electoral votes. And in state level elections third party candidates basically just act as spoilers since they're winner takes all. And in the rare instances where independent candidates do win they usually just end up being de facto party members anyway like Bernie Sanders is. |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 7, 2021 9:57:23 GMT -5
I talked with a few of my left leaning friends earlier today and then a couple of my very conservative friends a while after. Of course thy have different ideas on things but the one area of agreement is that the GOP has been set on fire and thrown off a bridge. In a way it's funny to think that a year ago the Republican party was in a pretty good spot. Then shit happened but there was some room for optimism. Then the election happened but there were still some bright spots for them to look at. They look like they're in a pretty good spot for retaking the House (at least they did) and it was likely they were going to keep the Senate. Not anymore. It was only after the election that Trump soaked the party in gasoline and set it on fire. He did what people said he was going to do, he dragged the Republican party down with him while he sank. I just don't think anyone expected it was going to happen in the final few weeks of his presidency. |
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Post by thebtskink on Jan 7, 2021 10:38:13 GMT -5
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Post by PG Cooper on Jan 7, 2021 10:42:35 GMT -5
Gotta say, this whole "coup to overthrow the democracy of the United States" has really overshadowed my new video on Insomnia.
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Post by Dracula on Jan 7, 2021 10:52:50 GMT -5
Gotta say, this whole "coup to overthrow the democracy of the United States" has really overshadowed my new video on Insomnia. Should have done an Olympus has Fallen video |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jan 7, 2021 11:12:24 GMT -5
Gotta say, this whole "coup to overthrow the democracy of the United States" has really overshadowed my new video on Insomnia. Considering I didn't sleep much last night, I will confirm that I have Insomnia on my mind. |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 7, 2021 11:43:43 GMT -5
I'd like to believe that, I really would, but it's hard to see that being tangible even in this moment. Yes, this is the lowest point in a Trump presidency filled with them, but they've stuck by him through it all and just this morning were mounting a nonsensical objection to a fair election. These goons love Trump, and while you're right that some of them are only along for the ride as long as he can keep them employed, a lot of them also realize that no one galvanizes this party like him. Hell, has anyone ever? We're dealing with spineless cowards that might internally despise Trump, but externally will support his traitorous ways because it's what their constituents want. This is why we need to impeach him now and bring charges against him in court. That's really the only way we make sure he won't run again. Because while four years from now is impossible to predict, there's clearly no one in the party even close to drubbing up the support he does. I've been hearing people say this shit for the last four years and these craven idiots have stuck with this fucking guy through EVERYTHING. I'll believe it when I fucking see it. I think what will tip people over the edge is that it's going to become poisonous among Republicans now to back him. Is that principled? Not really but as the GOP higher-ups see more and more of their constituents throw up their hands and turn away from the chaos they'll be more inclined to follow. There are plenty of Republicans who have said 'eh I don't like Trump as a person but I'd rather have him than any Democrat' but now they're watching their own party burn. They're starting to lose races that they shouldn't be losing. And now they're seeing people on their own side riot. A lot of people won't tolerate it and they won't want to see a repeat four years from now if Trump says he wants to run again. |
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 7, 2021 12:35:39 GMT -5
That's not uncommon, some Democrats did the same thing with Bush and Trump. Granted it wasn't after an assault on the capitol building but they were most likely going to do it anyways knowing full well it wouldn't affect the election. There are a lot of things that need to be addressed from yesterday, this isn't terribly high on the list. |
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 7, 2021 12:55:25 GMT -5
I'm calling bullshit on this poll. I've been watching as much tv, reading as much online and on twitter as any of you guys. I haven't seen a single person anywhere defend what happened yesterday, not one single person. The closest you can get are some of the Trumps who ended up deleting their stupid tweets calling the rioters 'patriots' or whatever. No politician defended it, no talking head, no reporter or youtuber or guy on the street or anyone and it would be in the best interest of any Republican in the public eye to condemn it up and down. Now if you guys have read or seen someone defending the riot feel free to share, I'd be happy to look at it but I've been glued to the news like every else and I've seen nothing to indicate that 45% of Republicans support what happened yesterday. |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 7, 2021 13:07:18 GMT -5
That's not uncommon, some Democrats did the same thing with Bush and Trump. Granted it wasn't after an assault on the capitol building but they were most likely going to do it anyways knowing full well it wouldn't affect the election. There are a lot of things that need to be addressed from yesterday, this isn't terribly high on the list. No that is not fucking common. The counting and certification of the electoral college is normally a ceremonial ritual that takes a half an hour. Feel free to watch the entirety of the process when it happened in 2016 if you don't believe me. A couple of objections were raised and Biden, acting in his capacity as sitting vice president, forcefully refused to entertain any of them. At no point were any objections brought to a vote and the people raising the objections were actively booed. |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 7, 2021 13:25:43 GMT -5
I'm calling bullshit on this poll. I've been watching as much tv, reading as much online and on twitter as any of you guys. I haven't seen a single person anywhere defend what happened yesterday, not one single person. The closest you can get are some of the Trumps who ended up deleting their stupid tweets calling the rioters 'patriots' or whatever. No politician defended it, no talking head, no reporter or youtuber or guy on the street or anyone and it would be in the best interest of any Republican in the public eye to condemn it up and down. Now if you guys have read or seen someone defending the riot feel free to share, I'd be happy to look at it but I've been glued to the news like every else and I've seen nothing to indicate that 45% of Republicans support what happened yesterday. Bro, look at the giant crowd that was actively participating in the riot. Just because the elected are smart enough to issue an "I condemn this but..." statement doesn't mean they haven't spent the last four years actively instigating exactly this kind of behavior. Also, dismissing news that doesn't support your narrative as "fake" without evidence is... well, there's someone else famous for doing that. |
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 7, 2021 13:34:49 GMT -5
I'm calling bullshit on this poll. I've been watching as much tv, reading as much online and on twitter as any of you guys. I haven't seen a single person anywhere defend what happened yesterday, not one single person. The closest you can get are some of the Trumps who ended up deleting their stupid tweets calling the rioters 'patriots' or whatever. No politician defended it, no talking head, no reporter or youtuber or guy on the street or anyone and it would be in the best interest of any Republican in the public eye to condemn it up and down. Now if you guys have read or seen someone defending the riot feel free to share, I'd be happy to look at it but I've been glued to the news like every else and I've seen nothing to indicate that 45% of Republicans support what happened yesterday. Bro, look at the giant crowd that was actively participating in the riot. Just because the elected are smart enough to issue an "I condemn this but..." statement doesn't mean they haven't spent the last four years actively instigating exactly this kind of behavior. Also, dismissing news that doesn't support your narrative as "fake" without evidence is... well, there's someone else famous for doing that. Like I said, I'd be more than happy to have my suspicions proven wrong if I just saw one person anywhere defend the riot. I haven't seen it, not a single person, and I certainly haven't seen anything that would suggest that 45% of Republicans are fine with it. And it's not me wanting to support a narrative, it just doesn't pass the smell test. |
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Post by Dracula on Jan 7, 2021 13:40:21 GMT -5
Bro, look at the giant crowd that was actively participating in the riot. Just because the elected are smart enough to issue an "I condemn this but..." statement doesn't mean they haven't spent the last four years actively instigating exactly this kind of behavior. Also, dismissing news that doesn't support your narrative as "fake" without evidence is... well, there's someone else famous for doing that. Like I said, I'd be more than happy to have my suspicions proven wrong if I just saw one person anywhere defend the riot. I haven't seen it, not a single person, and I certainly haven't seen anything that would suggest that 45% of Republicans are fine with it. And it's not me wanting to support a narrative, it just doesn't pass the smell test. The Republicans who need to go on TV aren't actively saying "yes, this crime was totally awesome" but they're more than happy to come right up to it with shit like this: I'm sure the Orange County chamber of commerce Republicans you know are not into this kind of stuff, but it's very much what the majority of the party has become under "maga." |
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Post by frankyt on Jan 7, 2021 13:49:49 GMT -5
Multiple pa gop representatives were literally in the crowd. A gop front runner for governor in pa was in the crowd asking if people were with them as they were 'taking back the country'. The one new state rep from west virginia live streamed as he stormed the capitol building with zero self awareness.
The gop isn't exactly running to condemn it. If anything they are trying to distance themselves from trump, but they still want the lowest dregs of their party to vote for them.
Plenty of close by state reps all went to show support for their papa. I don't think they or their constituents will be worrying too long about their convictions.
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 7, 2021 13:56:35 GMT -5
That's not uncommon, some Democrats did the same thing with Bush and Trump. Granted it wasn't after an assault on the capitol building but they were most likely going to do it anyways knowing full well it wouldn't affect the election. There are a lot of things that need to be addressed from yesterday, this isn't terribly high on the list. No that is not fucking common. The counting and certification of the electoral college is normally a ceremonial ritual that takes a half an hour. Feel free to watch the entirety of the process when it happened in 2016 if you don't believe me. A couple of objections were raised and Biden, acting in his capacity as sitting vice president, forcefully refused to entertain any of them. At no point were any objections brought to a vote and the people raising the objections were actively booed. From my very own Senator no less. And that again went nowhere. As I mentioned, there are other things that should be addressed from yesterday and a reckoning that Republicans are going to face in the near future. This vote isn't the highest thing on the priorities list. |
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Post by Doomsday on Jan 7, 2021 14:07:01 GMT -5
Like I said, I'd be more than happy to have my suspicions proven wrong if I just saw one person anywhere defend the riot. I haven't seen it, not a single person, and I certainly haven't seen anything that would suggest that 45% of Republicans are fine with it. And it's not me wanting to support a narrative, it just doesn't pass the smell test. The Republicans who need to go on TV aren't actively saying "yes, this crime was totally awesome" but they're more than happy to come right up to it with shit like this: I'm sure the Orange County chamber of commerce Republicans you know are not into this kind of stuff, but it's very much what the majority of the party has become under "maga." Gahh you're going to make me listen to Tucker Carlson. Alright fine.... Aaaand yup, his segment was BS, this is the last thing we need. In fact he's saying maybe the worst thing, 'The rioting was bad BUT, BUT...' |
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