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Post by Dracula on Nov 4, 2020 14:13:02 GMT -5
Wisconsin called for Biden
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2020 14:13:57 GMT -5
Wisconsin called for Biden Trump’s gonna request a recount.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2020 14:21:03 GMT -5
The DCCC never bothered to place Shalala in its front-line program for endangered incumbents. Donna Shalala lost to a popular TV personality. Also, Biden and the democrats failed to overcome the “socialist” label that Trump and the republicans threw at them. To white people, socialism means Canada. To Latinos, it means dictator-led nations.
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Post by Doomsday on Nov 4, 2020 14:36:50 GMT -5
The DCCC never bothered to place Shalala in its front-line program for endangered incumbents. To white people, socialism means Canada. To Latinos, it means dictator-led nations. Which is why Democrats need to repackage their message. You can't have people in the party defending socialism or saying 'it hasn't been done correctly yet' or 'democratic socialism is the way to go' then be surprised when more Latinos drift toward Republicans and Florida goes red. Like they did yesterday.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 4, 2020 14:49:29 GMT -5
The DCCC never bothered to place Shalala in its front-line program for endangered incumbents. Donna Shalala lost to a popular TV personality. Also, Biden and the democrats failed to overcome the “socialist” label that Trump and the republicans threw at them. To white people, socialism means Canada. To Latinos, it means dictator-led nations. And yet Bernie Sanders did great with Latinos in the primary.
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Post by docstop on Nov 4, 2020 14:54:58 GMT -5
To white people, socialism means Canada. To Latinos, it means dictator-led nations. Which is why Democrats need to repackage their message. You can't have people in the party defending socialism or saying 'it hasn't been done correctly yet' or 'democratic socialism is the way to go' then be surprised when more Latinos drift toward Republicans and Florida goes red. Like they did yesterday. I'm a bit miffed at why people view positive aspects of Canada that have socialist type roots as only negative. For example free healthcare for all minus some elective stuff that a person has to pay for. Canada isn't perfect by far and has some serious issues historically with inequalities and ongoing discriminatory policies and what not towards First Nations peoples, among others, but its nowhere near dictatorship territory. I don't want to sound disrespectful but people should really look at what Canada offers rather than making assumptions about progressive socialism and de facto it being Communist dictatorships. BTW, I'm writing this in general, not saying you don't understand, Doom.
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Post by docstop on Nov 4, 2020 14:57:35 GMT -5
To add to what Drac is saying, no matter who wins this election it wasn’t a repudiation of Trump or Trumpism in any way which is what it really needed to be. 67 million people (and counting) voted for Donald Trump. Start packing your bags for Vancouver and I’ll crash with PG Cooper in Toronto. We’ll have a CS! Meet-Up in wherever the fuck IanTheCool lives. I think Ian is an Albertan.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2020 15:03:10 GMT -5
Donna Shalala lost to a popular TV personality. Also, Biden and the democrats failed to overcome the “socialist” label that Trump and the republicans threw at them. To white people, socialism means Canada. To Latinos, it means dictator-led nations. And yet Bernie Sanders did great with Latinos in the primary. Those are card carrying democrats. No guarantee it would have translated to a general election.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 4, 2020 15:03:46 GMT -5
67 million people (and counting) voted for Donald Trump. Start packing your bags for Vancouver and I’ll crash with PG Cooper in Toronto. We’ll have a CS! Meet-Up in wherever the fuck IanTheCool lives. I think Ian is an Albertan. Saskatchewan
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Post by Dracula on Nov 4, 2020 15:28:39 GMT -5
Wisconsin called for Biden Trump’s gonna request a recount.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Nov 4, 2020 15:36:45 GMT -5
Sounds like Democrats lost seats in the House which was not what they were projecting in any way. Between that and Republicans keeping the Senate (even Susan fucking Collins won again) this was not a good election for Democrats at all even if Biden wins. There really needs to be some soul searching in that party beyond 'well everyone else is racist, we're just fine.' Yup. We're winning the grand prize but not the secondary ones. I thought for sure Susan Collins would be gone and we couldn't even get rid of her.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2020 16:02:35 GMT -5
Sounds like Democrats lost seats in the House which was not what they were projecting in any way. Between that and Republicans keeping the Senate (even Susan fucking Collins won again) this was not a good election for Democrats at all even if Biden wins. There really needs to be some soul searching in that party beyond 'well everyone else is racist, we're just fine.' Yup. We're winning the grand prize but not the secondary ones. I thought for sure Susan Collins would be gone and we couldn't even get rid of her. “Grand price.”
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2020 16:48:37 GMT -5
Biden gets Michigan
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Post by 1godzillafan on Nov 4, 2020 16:55:37 GMT -5
My eyes have been on Nevada all morning. Those six votes are going to decide the whole shebang.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 4, 2020 17:01:04 GMT -5
So, if Arizona and Nevada hold that's exactly 270. Would be nice to have a number that one dumbass faithless elector can't fuck up.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Nov 4, 2020 17:05:49 GMT -5
My gut says Arizona is going to stay blue. The Nevada vote is maddeningly close there. If Nevada flips red, then Pennsylvania is Biden's last shot, and it looks like that's leaning toward red.
It's the narrowest of margins if everything stays the same color it's leaning right now. Trump's going to contest the hell out of this like he's doing in Michigan.
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Post by Neverending on Nov 4, 2020 17:14:55 GMT -5
My gut says Arizona is going to stay blue. The Nevada vote is maddeningly close there. If Nevada flips red, then Pennsylvania is Biden's last shot, and it looks like that's leaning toward red. It's the narrowest of margins if everything stays the same color it's leaning right now. Trump's going to contest the hell out of this like he's doing in Michigan. Philadelphia is at 86%. Pittsburgh at 79%. Still plenty of votes to count.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 4, 2020 17:16:47 GMT -5
So, if Arizona and Nevada hold that's exactly 270. Would be nice to have a number that one dumbass faithless elector can't fuck up. While I agree completely, any elector who does something as drastic that when it could actually throw off the election would be painting a target on themselves. That is a decision that would be guaranteed to ruin one's life. That said, anyone stupid enough to do such a thing is also too stupid to realize the sort of shitstorm their life would become in the wake of such a blunder.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Nov 4, 2020 17:24:49 GMT -5
My gut says Arizona is going to stay blue. The Nevada vote is maddeningly close there. If Nevada flips red, then Pennsylvania is Biden's last shot, and it looks like that's leaning toward red. It's the narrowest of margins if everything stays the same color it's leaning right now. Trump's going to contest the hell out of this like he's doing in Michigan. Pennsylvania looks red because of the way they count ballots. The early votes get counted last, and those are heavily Democrat. Pennsylvania could still go Trump, but it's going to be a lot closer than it is now.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Nov 4, 2020 18:06:57 GMT -5
My fetish right now are reactions to Trump claiming victory to states he's losing in on Twitter. Trump is all "I licked it, it's MINE!"
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