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Post by Neverending on Jun 21, 2020 1:01:26 GMT -5
Frizzo the Clown The good news is: if he failed in Tulsa, there’s little hope for him. Sleepy Joe might have a shot after all. The good news is that Democrats have kept Joe locked in his basement for the last three months. The bad news is that they'll need to let him out very soon and his gaffes aside I don't think people are excited for him at all. Hatred of the opposing candidate will only get you so far, you need to be excited about your guy too and if people aren't excited about your guy it's not going to work. Just ask Mitt Romney. They need a really badass running mate. Time to call in Michelle Obama.
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Post by Ramplate on Jun 21, 2020 6:01:58 GMT -5
big fizzle at the. cult meeting....er,... rally
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Post by Frizzo the Clown on Jun 21, 2020 6:32:38 GMT -5
The thing is whether or not they were scammed by a bunch of people reserving a bunch of seats online there would almost certainly have been a standby line to help pack any empty seats. If there were thousands and thousands of people waiting to get in they would have found a way to make it happen. At the end of the day it sounds like people wanted to stay home, even Frizzo. Yeah, I think people just flat out didn't want to come. Tons of people, including myself, asked for the free tickets (it really was that easy), with no intention of going. They claim that protesters stopped people from coming into the fenced off area, but with a full police force, the National Guard and the Secret Service in the area, there is no chance in hell of that happening. Honestly, I assumed that no matter how many tickets were claimed by people like me, there would be a large enough overflow line outside to fill it anyway. Hell, he was planning on speaking to the overflow crowd outside via big outdoor stage. They started disassembling that before the rally was even over. because there was no crowd. It was certainly a completely unexpected result by all parties. I don't know how much it translate to actual support of Trump waning, but the rally was certainly a disaster. They will try to spin it any way possible saying that it wasn't.
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Post by Frizzo the Clown on Jun 21, 2020 6:36:03 GMT -5
Our Governor is an idiot.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 21, 2020 8:13:07 GMT -5
Frizzo the Clown The good news is: if he failed in Tulsa, there’s little hope for him. Sleepy Joe might have a shot after all. I recently took a look at the 2016 election map to get a reminder of exactly what the results were. A significant number of the swing states Trump won were by the skin of his teeth. He won Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan by less than 1%, Florida by less than 2%. Conservative leaning independent voters were not ready to vote for a woman in 2016. They'd just had two terms of a black man as President, which they're weren't as ready for as they thought they were. They wanted an old white man again. In 2020, it's back to the usual choice between two old white guys. Biden has to keep every state that Hilary won, and win over only 2% of the Trump voters in those swing states to win.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 21, 2020 20:34:02 GMT -5
Is it my imagination, or does he look drunk/high? I know he's purported to never touch booze, but I have to wonder if perhaps he's on some proscription pain killers or muscle relaxants.
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Post by Dracula on Jun 21, 2020 20:43:12 GMT -5
Is it my imagination, or does he look drunk/high? I know he's purported to never touch booze, but I have to wonder if perhaps he's on some proscription pain killers or muscle relaxants. I think he's trying to humanize himself and trick his critics into picking on him for petty bullshit like looking disheveled instead of his many many many many failures as a leader.
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Post by thebtskink on Jun 21, 2020 21:10:08 GMT -5
Is it my imagination, or does he look drunk/high? I know he's purported to never touch booze, but I have to wonder if perhaps he's on some proscription pain killers or muscle relaxants. He's supposedly using shit tons of sudafed or something similar.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 22, 2020 0:52:17 GMT -5
Is it my imagination, or does he look drunk/high? I know he's purported to never touch booze, but I have to wonder if perhaps he's on some proscription pain killers or muscle relaxants. He’s just pissed. Reportedly, he unleashed hell on his staff following the failure of the Tulsa rally.
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Post by Deexan on Jun 22, 2020 16:05:27 GMT -5
6k in attendance.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 22, 2020 21:37:29 GMT -5
I'm just learning today what Trump actually talked about during his rally, and it's kinda bizarre. Sure, the main purpose of these silly things is to make him feel good about himself, but he usually takes the opportunity to advance his own agenda. He failed to address the BLM movement at all. The little mention he gave to Corona virus had to be walked back later as a joke. There was some mention of Biden, but it was kinda vague and nothing the crowd hadn't heard before. A huge portion of his "speech" was just him rambling about how the media misconstrues everything he does so that he looks bad. Even the merchandise up for sale was just leftovers from the 2016 campaign.
I suppose there could be a few different reasons why the messaging was so unremarkable. Maybe he was so distracted by his anger over the empty arena that he wound up blowing off all the things he didn't actually want to talk about. Perhaps it's his campaign manager (any bets on how many he goes through this time?) who failed to ensure the messaging stayed on track. There's also the possibility I suspect that Trump doesn't really want to be re-elected, and is only doing so because his ego won't allow anything else. Several 2016 campaign insiders who've come forward have stated that Trump not only didn't expect to win, but didn't even want to win, since a victory would result in loads of legal problems.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 22, 2020 23:38:48 GMT -5
I'm just learning today what Trump actually talked about during his rally, and it's kinda bizarre. Sure, the main purpose of these silly things is to make him feel good about himself, but he usually takes the opportunity to advance his own agenda. He failed to address the BLM movement at all. The little mention he gave to Corona virus had to be walked back later as a joke. There was some mention of Biden, but it was kinda vague and nothing the crowd hadn't heard before. A huge portion of his "speech" was just him rambling about how the media misconstrues everything he does so that he looks bad. Even the merchandise up for sale was just leftovers from the 2016 campaign. I suppose there could be a few different reasons why the messaging was so unremarkable. Maybe he was so distracted by his anger over the empty arena that he wound up blowing off all the things he didn't actually want to talk about. Perhaps it's his campaign manager (any bets on how many he goes through this time?) who failed to ensure the messaging stayed on track. There's also the possibility I suspect that Trump doesn't really want to be re-elected, and is only doing so because his ego won't allow anything else. Several 2016 campaign insiders who've come forward have stated that Trump not only didn't expect to win, but didn't even want to win, since a victory would result in loads of legal problems. Running a re-election campaign is vastly different than an election campaign because most of your time and energy is spent doing your job. It’s the equivalent of applying for a new job while still working 40-hours a week at your current job. Think back to 2012 and how “rusty” Obama came across in comparison to 2008. The strategy of a re-election campaign is to run on the merits of your Presidency. Obama, for instance, restored the job market. Even if that meant getting Walmart and McDonalds to hire everyone. ObamaCare was launched. Even if that was filled with loads of compromises. Bin Laden was killed under Obama’s watch. What exactly has Trump accomplished in the past 4 years that would appeal to the average citizen? Nothing. Nothing at all. The guy literally has nothing to talk about. What exactly would his campaign promises be? Built a wall — but in Canada this time? Trump’s got nothing. If the election were held today he would lose in a landslide. That’s why in the coming months it’s VERY important to pay attention to the Republican’s. Voter Repression will be a major issue this year. We gotta make sure Republicans don’t use Mail-In Voting or Covid 19 or whatever as an excuse to create roadblocks for voters.
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 23, 2020 10:44:24 GMT -5
I'm just learning today what Trump actually talked about during his rally, and it's kinda bizarre. Sure, the main purpose of these silly things is to make him feel good about himself, but he usually takes the opportunity to advance his own agenda. He failed to address the BLM movement at all. The little mention he gave to Corona virus had to be walked back later as a joke. There was some mention of Biden, but it was kinda vague and nothing the crowd hadn't heard before. A huge portion of his "speech" was just him rambling about how the media misconstrues everything he does so that he looks bad. Even the merchandise up for sale was just leftovers from the 2016 campaign. I suppose there could be a few different reasons why the messaging was so unremarkable. Maybe he was so distracted by his anger over the empty arena that he wound up blowing off all the things he didn't actually want to talk about. Perhaps it's his campaign manager (any bets on how many he goes through this time?) who failed to ensure the messaging stayed on track. There's also the possibility I suspect that Trump doesn't really want to be re-elected, and is only doing so because his ego won't allow anything else. Several 2016 campaign insiders who've come forward have stated that Trump not only didn't expect to win, but didn't even want to win, since a victory would result in loads of legal problems. Running a re-election campaign is vastly different than an election campaign because most of your time and energy is spent doing your job. It’s the equivalent of applying for a new job while still working 40-hours a week at your current job. Think back to 2012 and how “rusty” Obama came across in comparison to 2008. The strategy of a re-election campaign is to run on the merits of your Presidency. Obama, for instance, restored the job market. Even if that meant getting Walmart and McDonalds to hire everyone. ObamaCare was launched. Even if that was filled with loads of compromises. Bin Laden was killed under Obama’s watch. What exactly has Trump accomplished in the past 4 years that would appeal to the average citizen? Nothing. Nothing at all. The guy literally has nothing to talk about. What exactly would his campaign promises be? Built a wall — but in Canada this time? Trump’s got nothing. If the election were held today he would lose in a landslide. That’s why in the coming months it’s VERY important to pay attention to the Republican’s. Voter Repression will be a major issue this year. We gotta make sure Republicans don’t use Mail-In Voting or Covid 19 or whatever as an excuse to create roadblocks for voters. He's not going to appeal to the average citizen, he's going to try to appeal to conservatives in the swing states and if he's lucky some middle of the road folks. He's going to pump up his judicial appointments, he's going to pump up the tax cuts which a lot of Republicans liked and if the economy kicks in as businesses start to open up he's going to use that to his advantage. Liberals hate all that stuff but he knows none of them will vote for him anyways. He's primarily going to use fear to get Republicans out to the polls. He'll say that the Senate is in play, there will probably be another Supreme Court appointment and that despite his shortcomings people should want him over any Democrat. When things calm down he'll also try to hang the 'defund the police' movement on Democrats as well. Who knows, who has any idea what the next 4 1/2 months will bring, we still have 3 debates and a ton of campaigning and smears to endure but we're going to see deranged vs. decrepit and it will be the most entertaining politics of our lifetimes.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 23, 2020 11:23:05 GMT -5
He's not going to appeal to the average citizen, he's going to try to appeal to conservatives in the swing states and if he's lucky some middle of the road folks. Yeah, but what would his policies be? He's not gonna build a wall. He's not creating jobs, especially now. He's got nothing. This isn't 2016. The Supreme Court isn't being held hostage. Judicial appointments won't be a priority this election. Nor will it be tax cuts. Most people don't own businesses nor is that a realistic desire right now. There won't be a Joe The Plumber moment. This will be like 2008. The economy is in the dumpster. The job market is non-existent. Trump has no answer to that because he doesn't care. His priority is to keep the wealthy financially stable. He has no policies that would attract the working class. That could have been the centerpiece of his Tulsa rally but it was most important to discuss whether or not he could lift a glass of water.
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Post by Dracula on Jun 23, 2020 11:30:42 GMT -5
This isn't 2016. The Supreme Court isn't being held hostage. Judicial appointments won't be a priority this election. The Supreme Court is always a priority for this crowd. It's why they're as successful as they are and why you don't see them defecting to whatever the conservative equivalent of the Green Party is.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 23, 2020 11:46:59 GMT -5
The Supreme Court is always a priority for this crowd. It's why they're as successful as they are and why you don't see them defecting to whatever the conservative equivalent of the Green Party is. It seems that way on the surface, but every President over the past 30 years has elected exactly two Supreme Court judges each. If the Supreme Court were really a huge deal, Clinton & Obama wouldn't have been 2-term Presidents and we wouldn't have 4 democrat-chosen judges. In every election, there's specific agendas and it isn't always black and white. Clinton was very tough on crime and launched very Republican-leaning policies. Obama didn't become the "let's end the war in Iraq and Afghanistan" President. Dude was the fucking Drone Master. Right-wing Military Bro's loved that. Biden isn't pro "defund the police". I don't think Doomsday realizes that. Biden already came out against that and made some controversial comments. If you're Blue Lives Matter you can still vote for Biden.
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Post by Dracula on Jun 23, 2020 11:53:24 GMT -5
The Supreme Court is always a priority for this crowd. It's why they're as successful as they are and why you don't see them defecting to whatever the conservative equivalent of the Green Party is. It seems that way on the surface, but every President over the past 30 years has elected exactly two Supreme Court judges each. If the Supreme Court were really a huge deal, Clinton & Obama wouldn't have been 2-term Presidents and we wouldn't have 4 democrat-chosen judges. In every election, there's specific agendas and it isn't always black and white. Clinton was very tough on crime and launched very Republican-leaning policies. Obama didn't become the "let's end the war in Iraq and Afghanistan" President. Dude was the fucking Drone Master. Right-wing Military Bro's loved that. Biden isn't pro "defund the police". I don't think Doomsday realizes that. Biden already came out against that and made some controversial comments. If you're Blue Lives Matter you can still vote for Biden. Clinton basically squeaked into office because of Ross Perot, and he gained popularity in no small part because the conservatives felt betrayed that H.W. appointed David Souter to the court who basically turned out to be a liberal on social issues. Obama managed to get past the Republicans because, well, he's Obama... there are limits to what the Republican voting bloc is capable of doing. But never underestimate them.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 23, 2020 12:00:46 GMT -5
Clinton basically squeaked into office because of Ross Perot What about in 96 when Perot was totally irrelevant? Weren't Newt Gingrich and the Republicans at war with Clinton at that point? Wasn't that the whole basis behind the silly Monica Lewinsky scandal? How did Clinton squeak by then? I thought Bush lost because: 1) He promised "no new taxes" and then did the complete opposite 2) He wasn't Reagan
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 23, 2020 12:09:21 GMT -5
The Supreme Court is always a priority for this crowd. It's why they're as successful as they are and why you don't see them defecting to whatever the conservative equivalent of the Green Party is. Biden isn't pro "defund the police". I don't think Doomsday realizes that. Biden already came out against that and made some controversial comments. If you're Blue Lives Matter you can still vote for Biden. That he did but I'd be interested to see if that holds. He has the choice of sticking to his guns and pissing off the hard left or switching to 'defund' and having Republicans use it as a battering ram.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 23, 2020 12:16:36 GMT -5
That he did but I'd be interested to see if that holds. He has the choice of sticking to his guns and pissing off the hard left or switching to 'defund' and having Republicans use it as a battering ram. I think Biden is gonna stick to his guns and run as a moderate. The radical left is super loud but they don't vote. If he can get the "silent majority" and the Republican base that isn't choking on Trump's cock, he'll do fine.
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Post by Dracula on Jun 23, 2020 12:21:11 GMT -5
Clinton basically squeaked into office because of Ross Perot What about in 96 when Perot was totally irrelevant? Weren't Newt Gingrich and the Republicans at war with Clinton at that point? Wasn't that the whole basis behind the silly Monica Lewinsky scandal? How did Clinton squeak by then? I thought Bush lost because: 1) He promised "no new taxes" and then did the complete opposite 2) He wasn't Reagan The Republicans basically knew that 1996 was a lost cause both because incumbants usually win re-elections and because Clinton was personally popular. The fact that Bob Dole was Bob Dole didn't help. The Lewinsky scandal did not become public until after the election. The "no new taxes" think was a big part of why he had trouble mobilizing the base, but that was only one of several factors, but people remember it because it was a single clip they could use and people over-simplify things. Biden isn't pro "defund the police". I don't think Doomsday realizes that. Biden already came out against that and made some controversial comments. If you're Blue Lives Matter you can still vote for Biden. That he did but I'd be interested to see if that holds. He has the choice of sticking to his guns and pissing off the hard left or switching to 'defund' and having Republicans use it as a battering ram. What about the Joe Biden 2020 candidacy makes you think he yearns for the approval of the "hard left?"
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