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Post by Dracula on Jul 7, 2024 11:37:01 GMT -5
Horizon: An American Saga – Chapter 1(7/4/2024) Back in 2015, while promoting his film The Hateful Eight, Quentin Tarantino told the website ShotList “I like westerns, and I like the idea that, when I’m done with everything, I’ll be considered a western director… And I think you need to do three westerns to consider yourself a western director.” Later he reiterated this and said he doesn’t count “cheat” movies like Kill Bill Vol. 2 or Once Upon a Time in Hollywood to count towards this, so if he sticks to his ten movie limit and his next movie isn’t a Western then he’s not going to achieve this goal. Truth be told given the genre’s wane there are probably not many other major contemporary auteurs who are going to be able to hit this goal either. There’s Clint Eastwood obviously (though he’s mostly just “contemporary” because of a long lifespan), and the Coen Brothers have made it there if you’re willing to count No Country for Old Men, and I’m sure there’s a name or two I’m not thinking of, but the modern figure who really seems to embody the label of “western director” is none other than actor/director Kevin Costner. Costner’s debut film is one of the most successful westerns of the last 50 years, the Academy Award winning Dances With Wolves, and thirteen years later he also directed the under-appreciated cowboy movie Open Range putting him definitively as the director of two bona fide westerns. From there one could make an argument that his creative influence over the Lawrence Kasdan directed Wyatt Earp could be counted, or that the frontier elements in his post-Apocalyptic films Waterworld and The Postman counts them as westerns or that his acting in things like Silverado, “Hatfields & McCoys,” and “Ýellowstone” makes him definitively linked to the genre regardless of how many he’s directed. But such cheating is no longer needed because he’s opted to enter the “western director” club in the most dramatic way possible with his latest epic of the west, the “Horizon” series.
The “Horizon” series is a wildly ambitious project helmed and partly financed by Kevin Costner which is intended to play out an epic western story over the course of four lengthy movies that are to be released over the course of 2024 and 2025. After a prologue of sorts our story begins in 1863 in the San Pedro Valley with a burgeoning frontier town being attacked by a band of Apache who burn the place down and kill vast swaths of the population, and then we start to follow some of the surviving parties from that. Firstly we follow the Apache attackers, who are revealed to have been conducted by a young hothead named Pionsenay (Owen Crow Shoe) who is at odds with tribal elder Tuayeseh (Gregory Cruz), who worries this will lead to further violence and reprisals. This proves correct as a cadre of survivors led by a vengeful old man named Tracker (Jeff Fahey) and including an angry adolescent boy named Russell (Etienne Kellici) head off looking for Apache scalps. Meanwhile other survivors including a woman named Frances Kittredge (Sienna Miller) and her daughter Elizabeth (Georgia MacPhail) follow the less vengeful survivors follow Cavalry Lieutenant Trent Gephardt (Sam Worthington) to a military base in the vicinity. Meanwhile, we’re also introduced to two other storylines occurring elsewhere which will presumably converge on Horizon in later installments. We’re introduced to a wagon train heading in from the East led by a guy named Matthew Van Weyden (Luke Wilson) and finally we’re also introduced to a conflict in the Wyoming territory where we’re introduced to a local sex worker named Marigold (Abbey Lee) who finds herself mired in a conflict between her friend Lucy (Jena Malone) and her estranged family which culminates in a local drifter named Hayes Ellison (Kevin Costner) having to step in.
As you can probably tell there are kind of a lot of storylines going on at once here and the movie somewhat awkwardly shifts between them. These storylines do not get equal screentime (we’re only barely introduced to that wagon train for example and the storyline has gone nowhere by the end of this chapter), and often right once one of them seems to get going it will cut away from it. At least at this stage it feels less like a movie where multiple stories intersect and weave together and more like a TV show like “Game of Thrones” introducing separate B and C stories that might theoretically come up eventually but which feel like entirely separate movies being broken apart here. “It feels like it should be a TV show” is probably going to be something you hear a lot about “Horizon,” and while I value the theatrical experience and want experiments like this I’m not unsympathetic. We’ve had multi-part theatrical films like this before (Sergei Bondarchuk’s War and Peace comes to mind) but this pacing and structure feels a lot closer to something you’d see on television, in part because there’s just something kind of weird about finishing a lengthy day at the movies only to have things end not with a resolution, or even with a cliffhanger, but just with a “tune back in next week for more.” Had they maintained their feature length structure they might have benefited from a streaming release akin to something like what Netflix did with the “Fear Street” trilogy a couple years ago where you get a movie a month and don’t need to make too much of an investment.
So structure aside, what is Costner doing with this series? Well, Horizon is a fictional town and all of the characters here are fictional, but I’m pretty sure the town is meant to be a stand-in for Tombstone, Arizona (also located in the San Pedro Valley, though with a much less appealing name) and the Tuayeseh character is probably meant to be a stand-in for Geronimo. So this isn’t trying to be some kind of Spaghetti Western romp or something, it’s very much a movie looking to make really big proclamations about the “the west” and about the drive for migration and settlement, specifically it seems to be tying western settlement with “the American Dream” and by extension “Manifest Destiny.” The one thing you’ll find in all of the storylines (except for the Apache one) is an advertising flyer that’s apparently been spread far and wide advertising Horizon as a potential boom town waiting to be settled which is apparently drawing all these people together and how this flyer ignores the many challenges and downsides of this settlement. The movie is not exactly subtle about this theme and they don’t just let this be communicated with the poster, in fact there’s a lengthy conversation between the Sam Worthington character and his commanding officer about this. I’d also point out that this isn’t exactly the most original of takes. It’s kind of been the subtext and/or text of most westerns we’ve seen since the dawn of the genre and whether we need twelve hours of material to re-iterate it remains to be seen.
There were some fears early on that this movie would be some kind of right wing screed meant to appeal to the worst “Yellowstone” fans and these seem mostly unfounded. I wouldn’t call this movie “progressive” necessarily and there are some eyebrow raising elements but it does seem to be engaging on some level with the raw deal that Native Americans were given and the movie also does a fairly admirable job of creating female characters to populate its stories and give them reasonable focus as part of the tapestry. How well it maintains this remains to be seen… and for that matter a lot remains to be seen and that’s frustrating. I generally don’t like to whine about running-times but when a movie wants to you invest three hours of your time while also expecting a potential future investment of another nine hours you do kind of want it to deliver some serious dividends on that investment and I don’t know that the outlook on returns here looks promising. I’m also not sure the movie or series really have much of a natural audience; it seems a little too ponderous and reverent to be audience pleasing entertainment but also doesn’t appear to be novel and insightful enough to really satisfy as highbrow art. It’s possible that these stories will hit their stride in future installments and the appeal of a lot of this will become more apparent, but that might be too little too late for a lot of people. It’s like when someone recommends a TV show to you while saying it doesn’t really “get good” until season three. That having been said, there are glimmers of good stuff to be found here and I do wonder if this could have been turned into something that works a bit better if it was tinkered in editing and format. I’m curious enough to probably keep watching once “Chapter 2” comes out but I can’t say this looks like it will ever turn into something that’s good enough to justify how much it expects audiences to put into it. **1/2 out of Five
I'm guessing we can use the one thread for all four parts?
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 12, 2024 15:01:40 GMT -5
This is a tough movie to wrap my head around. Where I ultimately fall is that I enjoyed it, but I also acknowledge it is heavily flawed. Costner has managed to craft a film with some highly compelling scenes and set pieces. The attack on the tent town is a prime example of this, but also less extreme examples which mostly comprise of conversations. A lot of the characters themselves are also compelling and interesting.
But the script is a big issue. Its simply not well written. It has a problem with establishing key elements, whether that be characters, plot threads, or even just establishing the basic premise of the movie.
Its also very weak at transitions between scenes and storylines, often feeling like we missed a step somewhere along the way. For example, that opening attack set piece I mentioned,while very strong, feels like its filmed as a climax and seems out of place while you are watching it.
I feel like I'm rating this movie too high with all of its failings (oh I haven't even mentioned the ridiculous trailer-like montage at the end), and yet I feel compelled to watch the next one. I found myself compelled through much of this movie as well. But it certainly ain't no masterpiece, not the one I think Costner was hoping for.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 12, 2024 19:49:28 GMT -5
I'm guessing we can use the one thread for all four parts? Four parts seems like wishful thinking at this point.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 12, 2024 19:53:41 GMT -5
I'm guessing we can use the one thread for all four parts? Four parts seems like wishful thinking at this point. Part two is finished, part three is in post, and they're presently filming part four.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 13, 2024 6:20:32 GMT -5
Four parts seems like wishful thinking at this point. Part two is finished, part three is in post, and they're presently filming part four. Will just be turned into a TV show. What it should have been from the start.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 13, 2024 10:10:22 GMT -5
The blending of movies with tv prestige series that Costner is going for does bother me. But I would rather them be movies than yet another streaming series I'm not going to bother watching.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 13, 2024 13:50:33 GMT -5
Part two is finished, part three is in post, and they're presently filming part four. Will just be turned into a TV show. What it should have been from the start. Yeah, I have to wonder if the rest of these actually see the inside of movie theaters or go straight to Max or something.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 13, 2024 15:30:41 GMT -5
The blending of movies with tv prestige series that Costner is going for does bother me. But I would rather them be movies than yet another streaming series I'm not going to bother watching. You watched The Acolyte.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 13, 2024 17:20:39 GMT -5
The blending of movies with tv prestige series that Costner is going for does bother me. But I would rather them be movies than yet another streaming series I'm not going to bother watching. You watched The Acolyte. So he's the one.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 13, 2024 17:48:13 GMT -5
The blending of movies with tv prestige series that Costner is going for does bother me. But I would rather them be movies than yet another streaming series I'm not going to bother watching. You watched The Acolyte. Partially
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 21, 2024 1:30:29 GMT -5
Man, I really wanted to like this.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 21, 2024 9:25:15 GMT -5
I know I'm stating what a lot of critics have already pointed out but this should have been a miniseries. In fact, it resembles a miniseries in how it's currently cut but it was slugged into theaters with the hopes that we'll all keep coming back for two, maybe three sequels that are all presumably just as long or close to it. Even so, there's just not enough compelling drama or characters to make you want to return for a second outing, let alone a third or fourth.
Speaking of television, even the score for the movie feels like something composed for the small screen. It has a Garage Band app sound and would be better off in one of the Lonesome Dove spinoffs from the 90s.
On a technical note, I don't know what kind of color grading they did on this movie but everything felt contrasty and really off. In the desert scenes they tried to crank up those orange and red colors but all the characters had a weird tint to them that made them look like, for lack of a better example, Donald Trump. Even the scenes in the mountains the colors seemed to pop which again gave the movie this artificial and made-for-TV look to it. Did anyone else get a sense of that? I thought for a second it might be my screen but I've never seen that in other movies or shows with similar settings so I can only imagine they did something funny in the grading.
C so says Doomsday
And has anyone else here seen Lonesome Dove? It's on Tubi and Kanopy and it's fantastic. I know it's a television miniseries but I'm going to start tagging people in the film club with it just to put it on everyones radar.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 21, 2024 10:10:35 GMT -5
Man, I really wanted to like this. Good thing you waited after Father’s Day to watch it.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 16, 2024 7:47:42 GMT -5
Part 1 — August 23rd on Max
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 16, 2024 10:02:49 GMT -5
I already saw THAT one! I wanna see the OTHER one!
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 16, 2024 10:39:34 GMT -5
I wanna see the OTHER one! But do you though?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Aug 16, 2024 10:52:57 GMT -5
Part 1 — August 23rd on Max For a second there, I thought it said Part 2, and wasn't surprised.
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Post by IanTheCool on Aug 16, 2024 12:39:46 GMT -5
I wanna see the OTHER one! But do you though? I mean.. sorta
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Post by Neverending on Aug 16, 2024 13:02:03 GMT -5
I wanna see the OTHER one! But do you though? Ian crossing his fingers that girl gets naked again.
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Post by frankyt on Aug 27, 2024 20:10:41 GMT -5
Unfocused and cheap looking.
Hoping it pays off though in the long run. Some interesting characters but a million absolute snoozers in there too.
5/10 - could rise if they somehow stick the landing.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 27, 2024 21:12:30 GMT -5
Unfocused and cheap looking. Hoping it pays off though in the long run. Some interesting characters but a million absolute snoozers in there too. 5/10 - could rise if they somehow stick the landing. Let's wash that taste out of your mouth. And you're a dad now, watching this should come natural to you. tubitv.com/series/300001070/lonesome-dove
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Post by Neverending on Aug 27, 2024 22:39:17 GMT -5
#1 on Max. It beat Furiosa. Too many dad’s on Max, it seems.
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Post by frankyt on Aug 28, 2024 5:06:56 GMT -5
Unfocused and cheap looking. Hoping it pays off though in the long run. Some interesting characters but a million absolute snoozers in there too. 5/10 - could rise if they somehow stick the landing. Let's wash that taste out of your mouth. And you're a dad now, watching this should come natural to you. tubitv.com/series/300001070/lonesome-dovePreferred the book. But horizon doesn't have anyone that can hold a candle to gus and call.
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