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Post by Doomsday on Jul 9, 2023 21:12:22 GMT -5
Mission: Impossible Chapter 7: Dead Reckoning: Part I, First Movement
The seventh(!) installment of the Mission: Impossible series should be sitting amongst a collection of box office titans this summer. Instead, it's wading through the smoldering ashes of financial disasters that in another dimension should have been money printing machines. An Indiana Jones movie, a Pixar movie, the return of Michael Keaton as Batman, the idea that all of these are huge flops is almost hard for my brain to register. Dead Reckoning Part I should be icing on the cake, not the movie that people are now looking to to save the 2023 summer box office. That shouldn't have any bearing on expectations as to the quality of the movie, it just might add a little more pressure. Pressure or no though, this latest outing is exactly what people are hoping for; ageless Tom Cruise delivering another installment of death-defying stunts and huge action set pieces. If Indiana Jones 5 had evennone sequence that was a quarter as good as anything in Dead Reckoning we would all probably be singing a different tune about it.
This go-round, Ethan is on the...well, 'hunt' for two parts of a key. This key is part of the mystery that is the 'Entity,' an AI program that has become sentient, gone rogue and has infiltrated every level of intelligence worldwide. Anyone who possesses this key could use it to digitally control the world. Unfortunately, as this AI is self-aware it's conscious of the fact that some people like Ethan Hunt are on the move to take hold of the key and destroy the Entity. Unfortunately no one really knows how the key works, no one except Gabriel, an old nemesis of Ethan's who wants to take control of the Entity himself. As the 'Part 1' indicates, there is another installment of this story that's coming but it doesn't quite end on a cliffhanger. Instead, it ends showing a clear direction that the next movie needs to go which almost feels refreshing. Instead of walking out of the theater with a 'come on!' feeling you're left with the confidence and excitement of wondering how the team is going to do what needs to be done. The team again consists of Ethan, Ving Rhames as Luther, Simon Peggs as Benji and Rebecca Ferguson as Ilsa who all play off each other very well. Being introduced this time though is Haley Atwell as Grace who frankly is a pretty frustrating character. She first appears as a pickpocket and thief who foils Ethan for a short time but over the course of the film she is constantly being bailed out by Ethan while she leaves him in the lurch because she still doesn't quite trust him for some reason. It gets a little old and feels like some of her questionable decision making is only being used to propel the movie forward until they finally slug her into a more useful role in the third act that feels like they kind of ran out of ideas with what to do with her.
First, I'll come out and lay my biases on the table. I enjoy the Mission: Impossible movies as much as anyone but I certainly don't love them like a lot of folks do. In fact from the 4th movie onward I've only seen them once and those were when I watched them in theaters. I've never felt there was a whole lot there aside from the action which admittedly they all do expertly but when it comes to other things like character arcs or drama they always left me stale. Dead Reckoning is no different. However you like the other Christopher McQuarrie M:I movies, whether you love them like some people or are just entertained by them like me, is probably exactly how you'll feel about Dead Reckoning. This installment possesses all the tropes of other M:I movies, not just the insane stunts and high speed chases. You almost can't have a M:I movie these days without Ethan going rogue and when Ethan goes rogue you have government agents hot on his tail who only show up to screw Ethan over at the very moment he's about to win thus extending the movie by another 30 minutes. It also tries to be overly complicated when at their core the M:I movies are quite simple, they just cover the stories with crosses and double crosses and little side missions to hold your interest. This movie clocks in around 2 hours 45 minutes and while I will never begrudge a movie of its runtime you also have to earn it. Many parts of this movie felt like padding and others seemed like it was trying to confuse you just for the sake of having a twist. What's also strange about this movie too is that there is some very odd comedy that's peppered throughout that often doesn't land. There's a mildly amusing car chase in Venice that's featured in the trailer (other M:I movies have had better car chases unfortunately) and there are some comic moments that people were laughing at in the theater but left me scratching my head. Sometimes comedy can totally deflate any tension that's trying to be maintained and I would have expected the likes of Christopher McQuarrie and Tom Cruise to have maneuvered that differently.
Mission: Impossible: Dead Reckoning Part 1 is certainly an enjoyable movie. It probably won't move the needle at all as to how you approach this franchise, like I said if you love these movies this will give you another excuse to love them and if you just enjoy them for being the entertaining popcorn movies that they are then this will also certainly meet that threshold. I don't know if this will become anyone's favorite of the franchise but it certainly does deliver the goods that you expect in in a Mission: Impossible movie.
B+ so says Doomsday
Theater experience note: I've long since embraced my place as an almost middle aged crotchety old timer but there's a difference between letting little things bug me as happens to old timers and enduring people who are just rude idiots. I sat next to a woman who, throughout the entire movie, basically narrated the whole thing. When someone would pull a knife she would say out loud 'oh no, they have a knife.' When the bad guys would show up she would say 'it's the bad guys.' When someone would swipe the key which happens 8,000 times in the movie she would go 'they took the key.' When subtitles would appear she would read them aloud. She was with a guy and I don't know why he didn't tell her to shut the fuck up, my only guess is because he's just as fucking stupid as she is. She didn't ruin the experience completely but she certainly didn't enhance it. Honestly, I don't go to movie theaters all that much these days but even pre-Covid I would have to endure someone like this a majority of the times I went to a theater. Again, I'm happy to laugh at my old man-ness but I don't think it's me being an old man, I've just had an ass load of rude people for a long while. I agree that the theater experience is superior to almost all others but that's only if everyone else in the theater plays ball. If they don't then it's the absolute worst.
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Post by donny on Jul 11, 2023 10:51:19 GMT -5
First viewing this evening.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 11, 2023 21:30:23 GMT -5
I’m with Doomsday. My interest in this series is lukewarm. De Palma’s original is still the best. John Woo’s sequel is schlock. J.J. Abram’s 3rd entry is nonsense. Brad Bird tried to do James Bond. I didn’t care for Rogue Nation. Fallout is really good but it’s trying to be a Nolan film. Now comes Dead Reckoning. It’s good, but like the Fast & Furious series, these movies are all starting to blend together. Is Ethan Hunt gonna go rogue each time? He might as well quit the CIA and start his own agency. There needs to be more plot and character variations. SnoBorderZero can shit talk Mission: Impossible 2 all he wants but at least I remember what happens in that movie and that the villain was Not-Wolverine. If you asked me to tell you the plots for Rogue Nation and Fallout, I have no memory of them whatsoever. I don’t even remember who the fuck the bad guys were. When this Gabriel guy showed up, I honestly had no clue if this was a new villain or someone from a previous movie. At least I remember that Phillip Seymour Hoffman was the bad guy in the shitty J.J. Abrams one. And yes, PhantomKnight, Mission: Impossible 3 is garbage. Anyway, my complaints aside, I had fun watching Dead Reckoning. It’s a good action movie. Tom Cruise is still a star. The cast is likable. The set pieces are well done. The music is really good. Now for some random thoughts & observations: Can the James Bond franchise get its shit together?? You did your little Daniel Craig experiment. Put Henry Cavill in a tuxedo and let’s get the ball rolling. Whats-Her-Face from Guardians of the Galaxy is really good here. She belonged in a James Bond movie, not this. Am I crazy or did that club scene suddenly turn into a Wachowski movie? I thought the Architect from Matrix Reloaded was gonna pop out of nowhere. Dracula knows I’m right. The Wachowski’s wrote the dialogue for this movie. You can’t convince me otherwise. The train scene is what I expected to happen in Spider-Man 2. “I don’t know how that train didn’t tip over,” is the same thought that Christopher McQuarrie had. Alright, gang. The real question. Who would you Fuck Marry Kill? Your options are Hayley Atwell, Rebecca Ferguson and Vanessa Kirby. I’ll allow you to switch one with Whats-Her-Face from Guardians of the Galaxy.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 11, 2023 22:07:15 GMT -5
If you asked me to tell you the plots for Rogue Nation and Fallout, I have no memory of them whatsoever. I don’t even remember who the fuck the bad guys were. Hint: The bad guy of the last one had the world's most expensive mustache. Am I crazy or did that club scene suddenly turn into a Wachowski movie? I thought the Architect from Matrix Reloaded was gonna pop out of nowhere. Dracula knows I’m right. The Wachowski’s wrote the dialogue for this movie. You can’t convince me otherwise. The speeches do get a little Kojima-ish in this one.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 11, 2023 22:08:06 GMT -5
Still hittin' the sauce, I see.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 11, 2023 22:19:10 GMT -5
First, I'll come out and lay my biases on the table. I enjoy the Mission: Impossible movies as much as anyone but I certainly don't love them like a lot of folks do. In fact from the 4th movie onward I've only seen them once and those were when I watched them in theaters. I've never felt there was a whole lot there aside from the action which admittedly they all do expertly but when it comes to other things like character arcs or drama they always left me stale. One could also say that's 95% of the James Bond franchise to a T.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 11, 2023 23:13:24 GMT -5
First, I'll come out and lay my biases on the table. I enjoy the Mission: Impossible movies as much as anyone but I certainly don't love them like a lot of folks do. In fact from the 4th movie onward I've only seen them once and those were when I watched them in theaters. I've never felt there was a whole lot there aside from the action which admittedly they all do expertly but when it comes to other things like character arcs or drama they always left me stale. One could also say that's 95% of the James Bond franchise to a T. But the James Bond franchise has more personality. The villains are more distinct and over the top, the sets are wilder, they have more humor, and they have traditions like the opening themes which link them.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 11, 2023 23:58:40 GMT -5
Hint: The bad guy of the last one had the world's most expensive mustache. Wait. For real? I remember Henry Cavill playing the henchman. Didn’t he start out pretending to be one of the good guys? There had to be a main bad guy in that movie that wasn’t mustached Superman. He’d be the world’s most famous Mission: Impossible villain. They brought back De Palma era characters just to deliver speeches like Jim Gordon in the Dark Knight. Still hittin' the sauce, I see. Remember when Casino Royale came out in 2006 just to make everyone forget there was a 3rd Mission Impossible movie. One could also say that's 95% of the James Bond franchise to a T. But the James Bond franchise has more personality. The villains are more distinct and over the top, the sets are wilder, they have more humor, and they have traditions like the opening themes which link them. I remember Sheriff J.W. Pepper but I always forget Simon Pegg’s character has a name in these movies. Benji? Really? Like the dog? Just call him Simon Pegg.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 12, 2023 7:03:26 GMT -5
Hint: The bad guy of the last one had the world's most expensive mustache. Wait. For real? I remember Henry Cavill playing the henchman. Didn’t he start out pretending to be one of the good guys? There had to be a main bad guy in that movie that wasn’t mustached Superman. He’d be the world’s most famous Mission: Impossible villain. There was also the villain from the previous movie coming back. I don't remember his name.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 12, 2023 12:52:01 GMT -5
One could also say that's 95% of the James Bond franchise to a T. But the James Bond franchise has more personality. The villains are more distinct and over the top, the sets are wilder, they have more humor, and they have traditions like the opening themes which link them. Eh, different strokes for different folks.
Also, Neverending, fresh off a re-watch of Mission: Impossible 3...I could make the argument that it's one of the more distinct movies in the franchise. Rather than having world-threatening stakes, it instead has a more personal one. Ethan's just trying to save his wife instead of the world, which helps give the movie a fresher feel in comparison to the others. Also, the tone actually feels a little darker than the others, too. The movie opens with a rather visceral flash-forward, and then the rest of the movie feels grittier/less flashy than the other Mission movies -- which is also reflected in the visual aesthetic, from the harsher lighting in a lot of scenes, more handheld cinematography, etc. Compare that to the more polished style of Ghost Protocol, for example, and it stands out even more.
Then again, I really don't want to turn this thread into another M:I 3 debate. I'll just say that it continues to be the most underappreciated of the franchise (more people seem to be coming around on how good the first one is, rightfully so). The best? Let me re-watch Fallout again to be sure.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 12, 2023 13:10:34 GMT -5
3 definitely had the best villain.
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Post by donny on Jul 13, 2023 10:32:16 GMT -5
Had a real fun time with this, some more cool set pieces and jaw dropping Crusie insanity. As mentioned in this thread, safe to say MI 1 is the best, as for the sequels, I don’t think this tops Fallout. I really have loved the series attempting to up the ante every time since Ghost Protocol, and for me, Rogue Nation and Fallout did a good job of making the action exhilarating and top notch. I also think a big reason I liked those two more than this is the emotional beats hit more in those two. A big part of this is because of the addition of Rebecca Ferguson, who helped elevate some of the more character/story beats of the last two. Thought she had some good chemistry not only with Cruise, but the whole IMF team. I loved one of the first scenes right after the submarine opening in this though. All the high level govt agents, including Cary Elwes in the room, no music, camera changing it’s focus on guy to the next. Tense, and well executed. However, the fact that it seems like Ferguson is dead going forward is really crushing. Initially, I don’t love it as much as the last 2, but that’s okay. Tom has a high bar to clear with this franchise. 1 6 5 7 4 3 2
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 14, 2023 22:04:24 GMT -5
Monaghan Fergusson Atwell Holmes
Tom Cruise sure likes his brunettes. I wonder if Kidman killed his love for blondes?
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 14, 2023 23:38:15 GMT -5
Fuck, Hayley Atwell is sexy
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Post by Dracula on Jul 15, 2023 10:01:13 GMT -5
Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One(7/9/2023) I’ve been in such a weird place with the Mission: Impossible franchise. On one hand I’ve seen all the movies and generally like the series quite a bit and yet I’ve been kind of perplex by the rather diehard fanbase that’s emerged around them. To me these movies are impressive as spectacles and are generally efficient thrillers but I don’t take them much more seriously than that, especially in their current post-Ghost Protocol phase. Ethan Hunt strikes me as being a uniquely bland character to build a movie series around, their plots were basically nonsense they make up as they go in order to lead to action scenes, and they stopped doing anything very adventurous from a stylistic standpoint after Mission: Impossible III kind of underperformed and they started playing it safe. They were movies that were basically guilty of all the same sins as other James Bond wannabe fake spy movies, but they mostly get away with it almost entirely because they deliver on those action scenes and stunt work. Tom Cruise’s apparent willingness to put his safety on the line to do all sorts of crazy stuff is not to be ignored; the dude is trying to earn a place alongside people like Buster Keaton, Fred Astaire, and Jackie Chan in the pantheon of actors who excelled in physicality and stunt work even when doing so in movies that kind of just exist to be vehicles for their stars to show off. At least that’s the best argument I can make for them, but personally I would maybe prefer the movies had a bit more going for them on their own. Fortunately Ethan Hunt’s latest adventure, while still not really breaking the mold, has a lot more going for it than the last couple of adventures. Rather than opening on some outlandish stunt sequence with our hero this installment opens in a Russian submarine that’s been moving undetected and using dead reckoning to navigate and contains some sort of supercomputer that’s unlocked by a pair of interlocking keys held by the captain and first mate. That sub then gets into a conflict with what they think is an American sub they detect but this turns out to be a ghost in their targeting system that seems to have been conjured up by this supercomputer which fools them into launching a torpedo that circles around and hits them, killing everyone on board. It’s determined that this was in fact caused by an uber-powerful artificial intelligence called “the entity” that’s seemingly gone rogue and has been rolling through vast swaths of the intelligence servers in the world and could prove to be the ultimate weapon for whatever nation gains access to it. When Ethan Hunt (Tom Cruise) is briefed on this his first instinct is that this should be destroyed, but the CIA wants control over it and believes every other country will be seeking to do the same. Rather than become a tool of this Hunt goes rogue and he and his team must contend with being chased both by his own people but also a powerful agent of “the entity” named Gabriel (Esai Morales) who’s exact motives are rather cloudy.
On its face this installment of Mission: Impossible has a lot of the same elements of blandness I’ve disliked in other recent installments. Much of the film is concerned with chasing around a set of keys that are just blatantly MacGuffins that exist to string along action sequences. However the film kind of makes up for this by inventing a kind of original villain in “the entity,” which I must say was a very well timed plot development given the increased interest and nervousness around artificial intelligence. Gabriel, the human agent who acts as the boots on the ground for the entity, is a bit more of a generic Mission: Impossible villain of the kind I haven’t cared for and his ties to Ethan Hunts past feel like something that was inserted into the script at the last minute, but “the entity” itself does add a special layer of paranoia to the proceedings that set the film apart. For one, it allows for a plot reason for the character’s tech to suddenly start working against them at any moment, and secondly it rather boldly places the U.S. government at odds with our heroes in a way that feels a bit more pointed than the usual “misunderstandings” that lead them to go rogue. In fact some of the speeches here about the “control of the world” are downright Hideo Kojima-esque in their grandiosity, but in a way that’s just ridiculous enough that you don’t take it too seriously and it doesn’t get in the way of the fun spycraft hijinks.
Of course what people really want to hear about from a movie like this are the action scenes, and unsurprisingly they are stellar. This franchise has set a pretty high bar for itself in terms of daredevil antics so I can’t say that the collection of action scenes here are wildly unprecedented or that most of them are individually the best the series has ever offered but almost none of them fall flat. Scenes like a cat and mouse chase through the Abu Dhabi International Airport and a high speed chase through the streets of Rome more than deliver on what fans of the series are expecting from the movie and the film’s climactic set-piece in and around a moving train is a real standout that is surely among the most exciting things we’ll see on screen all year. On top of that the film handles the whole “Part One of Two” aspect of its nature better than many other film this year, ending with the main villain at large and the mission unresolved but not feeling like some kind of out of nowhere cliffhanger. Having said all that I do think there are still some issues with the series that the film isn’t able to overcome. Ethan Hunt remains a generic cipher of a character who’s only defined by the most basic of values and director Christopher McQuarrie remains a rather journeyman filmmaker without much in the way of a distinct style. There are some other flaws here and there I could enumerate, but as a whole I was unsurprisingly impressed by the effort, it’s exactly what people want out of summer blockbuster entertainment. **** out of Five
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 15, 2023 10:58:49 GMT -5
I'm pretty much in the same boat, Drac. I think my favourite part of the movie is that, rather than trying to up the spectacle further like Fallout did, the action focused more on spinning a lot of plates and really stacking the deck tension-wise.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 15, 2023 18:12:15 GMT -5
Ethan Hunt strikes me as being a uniquely bland character to build a movie series around Ethan Hunt is a mirror of Tom Cruise. In the first two Mission Impossible films, you get quintessential pre couch hopping Tom Cruise. In the third and forth movies you get post couch hopping Tom Cruise. And now in the Christopher McQuarrie era, it is Stuntman Tom. People come for Tom Cruise, not the so-called character he is playing. De Palma is the only real director this series has had. Tom Cruise is a hands on producer running the show. Not even the Bond producers have this much control. The plot is fine, but like Doomsday said, it got repetitive due to Hayley Atwell’s character.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 15, 2023 18:19:46 GMT -5
John Woo was a real director on that second film, for better or worse. That third film also had some personal touches from Abrams, but yeah, after that things went on autopilot.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 16, 2023 0:31:14 GMT -5
Plot-wise, this isn't anything exactly fresh for the franchise, but hot damn...I still kinda loved it. With each new film, McQuarrie just keeps finding ways to direct these movies that ratchets up the tension more and more, and this is no different. The action scenes are executed with absolute precision while being tremendously exciting. The train sequence lives up to every bit of the hype, to the point where I was just grinning ear to ear in both joy and awe. But apart from that, I DID get pretty caught up in the story, too, and I honestly really liked Hayley Atwell's character. She provides a different kind of personality, but still fits in. These M:I movies definitely have a formula, but these last two movies especially have kind of perfected the formula.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 16, 2023 2:30:59 GMT -5
These M:I movies definitely have a formula, but these last two movies especially have kind of perfected the formula. I don’t know if they’ve perfected the formula, but McQuarrie has certainly cemented his take on the series.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 16, 2023 12:11:13 GMT -5
These M:I movies definitely have a formula, but these last two movies especially have kind of perfected the formula. I don’t know if they’ve perfected the formula, but McQuarrie has certainly cemented his take on the series. Well, it's certainly been operating at what feels like almost peak capacity these past two movies.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 16, 2023 17:39:07 GMT -5
I don’t know if they’ve perfected the formula, but McQuarrie has certainly cemented his take on the series. Well, it's certainly been operating at what feels like almost peak capacity these past two movies. Well yeah, Dead Reckoning is probably the 3rd best Mission: Impossible, but this franchise isn’t James Bond nor Jason Bourne. Another director can be brought in to take the series in a different direction. The first four movies were different from each other. Tom Cruise has just chosen to stick with Christopher McQuarrie for whatever reason. I don’t see Mission: Impossible as having to stick to a particular formula. After Dead Reckoning Part Two, I do hope that Tom Cruise shakes things up.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 16, 2023 19:15:27 GMT -5
Well, it's certainly been operating at what feels like almost peak capacity these past two movies. Well yeah, Dead Reckoning is probably the 3rd best Mission: Impossible, but this franchise isn’t James Bond nor Jason Bourne. Another director can be brought in to take the series in a different direction. The first four movies were different from each other. Tom Cruise has just chosen to stick with Christopher McQuarrie for whatever reason. I don’t see Mission: Impossible as having to stick to a particular formula. After Dead Reckoning Part Two, I do hope that Tom Cruise shakes things up. But at least McQuarrie seems to be trying to make each of his entries better and better. Like, you compare this movie -- and even Fallout -- to Rogue Nation, which I like, this feels a lot more confident. Not that Rogue Nation didn't, but he seems to be trying to push himself more and more with each new one. Although, I don't know how much of that is McQuarrie and how much of that is Tom Cruise.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 17, 2023 4:04:05 GMT -5
Well yeah, Dead Reckoning is probably the 3rd best Mission: Impossible, but this franchise isn’t James Bond nor Jason Bourne. Another director can be brought in to take the series in a different direction. The first four movies were different from each other. Tom Cruise has just chosen to stick with Christopher McQuarrie for whatever reason. I don’t see Mission: Impossible as having to stick to a particular formula. After Dead Reckoning Part Two, I do hope that Tom Cruise shakes things up. But at least McQuarrie seems to be trying to make each of his entries better and better. Like, you compare this movie -- and even Fallout -- to Rogue Nation, which I like, this feels a lot more confident. Not that Rogue Nation didn't, but he seems to be trying to push himself more and more with each new one. Although, I don't know how much of that is McQuarrie and how much of that is Tom Cruise. Well, he’s still a relatively new director. I would hope his movies get better. He’s come a long way since Jack Reacher.
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