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Post by Neverending on Jun 16, 2023 21:58:29 GMT -5
Nicolas Cage Giant Spider George Clooney Bruh. The Flash > Spiderverse Fight me. This movie is actually really fucking good. The emotional stakes are well executed. Michael Keaton. Action scenes are decent. Michael Keaton. The humor is well done. Michael Keaton. Story is a bit cliché at this point. A lot of characters are wasted. The CGI isn’t Ant-Man 3 bad, but you’d think it was 2002 again. But Michael Keaton though. Release Batgirl, ya cowards! Anyway, farewell to the Snyderverse. Michael Keaton. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jun 17, 2023 5:40:51 GMT -5
This movie was a rollercoaster ride in that gave me whiplash from how often it went from something enjoyable to something that really sucked.
Jesus Christ, they almost made Black Adam seem like a good movie by comparison.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jun 17, 2023 13:59:12 GMT -5
I have a very hard time believing this isn't utter dogshit, especially given one certain cameo that leaked early.
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 17, 2023 14:42:01 GMT -5
I have a very hard time believing this isn't utter dogshit, especially given one certain cameo that leaked early. I just discovered two of those cameos and yeeeeeah, they seem like they're trying a little too hard. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 17, 2023 16:22:48 GMT -5
Just saw The Flash today. It was fine. Having already seen the Flashpoint animated movie, I had a pretty good idea as to how it would end. The myriad of CGI cameos at the finale was cute and fun, even if it contributed little to the actual plot. It was better than what I've come to expect from a DC movie. Not as good as Wonder Woman (2017), but better than Aquaman (2018).
I need to check the news to find out if Kevin Smith survived seeing this movie, or if his head exploded.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 17, 2023 16:42:00 GMT -5
they almost made Black Adam seem like a good movie by comparison. The Rock has been vindicated. 1990's Kevin Smith would have milked this for all the comedy gold. 2020's Kevin Smith is crying buckets of tears, calling it his greatest honor since Captain Marvel and showering the movie with praise. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jun 17, 2023 16:46:21 GMT -5
Honestly, I had nothing but apathy for the CGI cameos. Didn't care either way.
But then again, Michael Keaton didn't do much for me either. He just seemed to be present for brownie points.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 17, 2023 17:08:38 GMT -5
Michael Keaton didn't do much for me either. He just seemed to be present for brownie points. Someone needs to break into the WB vault and leak the Batgirl movie. A lot of Flash got changed when the Snyderverse got killed. Other than the Aquaman scene, Flash didn't end up being the soft reboot it was intended to be. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jun 17, 2023 17:24:53 GMT -5
I read a plot leak for Flash about two years ago and the movie pretty much lined up with it. The only main difference was the end cameo was going to be Michael Keaton instead of the superior Batman from the movie that is better than any Keaton Batman movie.
I honestly don't know what Gunn's DC universe is going to be, because it honestly feels like he's cutting this universe entirely, except keeping Peacemaker and Amanda Waller, I guess? This whole thing is a shitshow.
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Post by scottysair on Jun 17, 2023 17:56:44 GMT -5
I went out to the movie today. It just okay. I did see Supergirl and Batman. They went back in time. To bring him back alive and it is too late for that. He's already dead.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 17, 2023 19:58:09 GMT -5
the end cameo was going to be Michael Keaton instead of the superior Batman from the movie that is better than any Keaton Batman movie. In addition to Keaton, Supergirl was to appear as well. This was supposed to be the new continuity. And the Batgirl movie was to further establish the new universe. Other than Aquaman, which is doing reshoots at this very moment, there doesn’t appear to be anything from this movie that will be carried over. James Gunn is in a tricky spot. He wants to keep Peacemaker and Amanda Waller in the new universe (which are Snyderverse characters) and there’s an upcoming Aquaman movie that could end up a colossal flop. I think he has no choice but to sorta use this movie as a springboard. He’s stuck with Ezra Miller Flash and Jason Momoa Aquaman and he’s gonna have to set Peacemaker, Amanda Waller and Creature Commandos in this setting which has hilarious implications considering the Batman they chose. |
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Post by Doomsday on Jun 17, 2023 21:09:37 GMT -5
I know people on the new Aquaman and it sounds like a spectacular, 4 lane highway 70 car pile up with jackknifed gas trucks disaster. I will never watch it but I'm looking forward to hearing about the final product.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 17, 2023 21:23:24 GMT -5
the end cameo was going to be Michael Keaton instead of the superior Batman from the movie that is better than any Keaton Batman movie. In addition to Keaton, Supergirl was to appear as well. This was supposed to be the new continuity. And the Batgirl movie was to further establish the new universe. Other than Aquaman, which is doing reshoots at this very moment, there doesn’t appear to be anything from this movie that will be carried over. James Gunn is in a tricky spot. He wants to keep Peacemaker and Amanda Waller in the new universe (which are Snyderverse characters) and there’s an upcoming Aquaman movie that could end up a colossal flop. I think he has no choice but to sorta use this movie as a springboard. He’s stuck with Ezra Miller Flash and Jason Momoa Aquaman and he’s gonna have to set Peacemaker, Amanda Waller and Creature Commandos in this setting which has hilarious implications considering the Batman they chose. How much attachment the James Gunn DCU retains to what's come before will depend upon just how interested he is in maintaining a solid level of continuity. The X-Men Universe at Fox was, in theory, all part of a single continuity. In practice, it was a slapdash mess that relied on the audience not remembering, not seeing, or not caring what had come before, because the continuity was tenuously connected at best. While this seems like a terrible idea, the fact of the matter is that it worked just fine. There were some terrible movies in the X-Men Universe, but those movies weren't bad because the continuity didn't sync up. They were just bad. |
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Post by Neverending on Jun 17, 2023 21:52:36 GMT -5
I know people on the new Aquaman and it sounds like a spectacular, 4 lane highway 70 car pile up with jackknifed gas trucks disaster. I will never watch it but I'm looking forward to hearing about the final product. The Film Club will take care of this. The X-Men Universe at Fox was, in theory, all part of a single continuity. In practice, it was a slapdash mess that relied on the audience not remembering, not seeing, or not caring what had come before, because the continuity was tenuously connected at best. X-Men 1 through 3, the first two Wolverine movies, First Class and Days of Future Past didn’t have terrible continuity. At that time you could give X-Men credit for marching along unlike Spider-Man which rebooted after one poorly received movie. Things got silly with Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Logan and (to a lesser extent) the Deadpool movies. Do we even count New Mutants? lol. And we saw how audiences responded to those. James Gunn’s best bet for success was to do a full reboot but he got stuck with Flash and Aquaman and these movies hurting the brand. Superman: Legacy better be a masterpiece. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jun 18, 2023 9:47:17 GMT -5
The X-Men Universe at Fox was, in theory, all part of a single continuity. In practice, it was a slapdash mess that relied on the audience not remembering, not seeing, or not caring what had come before, because the continuity was tenuously connected at best. X-Men 1 through 3, the first two Wolverine movies, First Class and Days of Future Past didn’t have terrible continuity. At that time you could give X-Men credit for marching along unlike Spider-Man which rebooted after one poorly received movie. Things got silly with Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Logan and (to a lesser extent) the Deadpool movies. Do we even count New Mutants? lol. And we saw how audiences responded to those. Time to get my nerd on. * X-Men (2000) and X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) had two completely different versions of Sabretooth. * Bolivar Trask had two completely different versions of his character in X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) and X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014). * X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) and X-Men: First Class (2011) feature Moira MacTaggert, with an age gap of about ten years despite being set four decades apart. One is an agent for the CIA, while the other is a geneticist. * Professor Xavier told Wolverine in X-Men (2000) that Magneto helped him build Cerebro, but in X-Men: First Class (2011) it's revealed that Beast built Cerebro with no help from Xavier or Magneto. * Professor Xavier is KILLED in X-Men: The Last Stand (2006), but in X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) he's alive again. There was a post credits scene to explain the return of Professor X, but it involved him taking over the body of another person, so there's no reason for him to be bound to the chair he's still using in DOFP at that point. * Emma Frost is a teen in X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009), but an adult in X-Men: First Class (2011). It's also revealed that she's dead in X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014). *Cyclops is a teen in X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) as well, but a young man set in the "near future" of X-Men (2000). * In The Wolverine (2013) Logan's adamantium claws are destroyed by Silver Samurai, but in X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) they're back again. |
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Post by Neverending on Jun 18, 2023 12:05:05 GMT -5
X-Men 1 through 3, the first two Wolverine movies, First Class and Days of Future Past didn’t have terrible continuity. At that time you could give X-Men credit for marching along unlike Spider-Man which rebooted after one poorly received movie. Things got silly with Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Logan and (to a lesser extent) the Deadpool movies. Do we even count New Mutants? lol. And we saw how audiences responded to those. Time to get my nerd on. * X-Men (2000) and X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) had two completely different versions of Sabretooth. * Bolivar Trask had two completely different versions of his character in X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) and X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014). * X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) and X-Men: First Class (2011) feature Moira MacTaggert, with an age gap of about ten years despite being set four decades apart. One is an agent for the CIA, while the other is a geneticist. * Professor Xavier told Wolverine in X-Men (2000) that Magneto helped him build Cerebro, but in X-Men: First Class (2011) it's revealed that Beast built Cerebro with no help from Xavier or Magneto. * Professor Xavier is KILLED in X-Men: The Last Stand (2006), but in X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) he's alive again. There was a post credits scene to explain the return of Professor X, but it involved him taking over the body of another person, so there's no reason for him to be bound to the chair he's still using in DOFP at that point. * Emma Frost is a teen in X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009), but an adult in X-Men: First Class (2011). It's also revealed that she's dead in X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014). *Cyclops is a teen in X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) as well, but a young man set in the "near future" of X-Men (2000). * In The Wolverine (2013) Logan's adamantium claws are destroyed by Silver Samurai, but in X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) they're back again. A whole lotta retconning took place, but the story beats remained consistent. — Wolverine Origin (which remained canon even after Days of Future Past) — First Class — Character retconning aside, the OG X-Men trilogy. — Wolverine goes to Japan — Days of Future Past Anyone could watch those movies (in that order) and it wouldn’t be anymore jarring than George Lucas’ Star Wars. What James Gunn is attempting to do is a lot more muddy than Fox’s X-Men in its pre-Apocalypse days. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jun 20, 2023 7:04:17 GMT -5
We already knew Clooney wasn't going to be the Brave and the Bold Batman. Grace Randolph leaked Clooney's cameo months ago but did her jump to conclusions schtick and claimed he was going to be the Batman in the GunnVerse. Gunn shot that right down when asked about it (without ever denying Clooney was in the movie). |
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jun 20, 2023 11:42:28 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Jun 20, 2023 16:55:13 GMT -5
Is it really a heist if you're stealing something of no value? Let’s be real. After Black Adam, Shazam 2 and now the Flash, it was stupid for Discovery Channel to shelve this movie. They had recent Best Actor winner Brendan Fraser and the return of Michael Keaton. People would have watched it on HBO Max. If we all sat through the 4-hour Snyder Cut out of morbid curiosity, we would have watched this too. There would have been more eyeballs on this than their last three movies. And nooobbbooodddyyy gonna watch Blue Beetle. If anything was to get scrapped for “tax purposes”, it’s that. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jun 20, 2023 18:41:55 GMT -5
Is it really a heist if you're stealing something of no value? You're underestimating how much nerds will pay to see something the studio doesn't want them to see. Just look at the bootleg market for the 1994 Fantastic Four movie. This is why you and Dooms are still Hollywood underlings. You refuse to think bigger picture. |
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Post by frankyt on Jun 22, 2023 7:16:32 GMT -5
This was terrible inconsequential and silly almost throughout.
It wasn't actively offensive but it also wasn't very impressive, the set pieces were all kinda trash and unimaginative. Muschietti's shitty cgi decisions are so confusing. This movie took a decade of some people's lives. Brutal.
But what the hells coming... Was there something else planned for that end credits scene? Was someone else around the corner and they edited it?
Are we stuck with miller as flash (who wasn't bad, but was suitably annoying through out when called for)? I get that they can change all the characters ages and appearances now but it still leaves... Miller as flash right? And this established universe that is the snyderverse?
Keaton was great though. Most of the actors were sweet but the writing was... Trash.
5.5/10 - not a bad effort for DC but ultimately I'm not sure why I keep showing up to these things expecting something different.
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Post by donny on Jun 23, 2023 13:46:26 GMT -5
Liked it more than the most recent DC outings, but still a big pile of meh. Great to see Keaton back, but Clooneys cameo felt more like he walked out of one of his Nespresso commercial sets than anything else. Don’t even get me started on the Reeves thing. Complete trash.
I think the CGI and the effects, while mostly were run of the mill, did look cool in certain sequences involving Flash’s super speed. It gives you a good sense of what things look like from his perspective while running that fast.
It does make me sad they’d rather do a CGI Nic Cage Superman instead of an actual Cage Superman picture.
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Post by Neverending on Jun 23, 2023 15:41:35 GMT -5
It does make me sad they’d rather do a CGI Nic Cage Superman instead of an actual Cage Superman picture. It is June of 2023 and that is still one of WB’s biggest blunders. There’s no guarantee that Superman Lives would have been a good movie, but let’s look at the theatrical landscape in the summer of 1998. The summer began with Deep Impact, the movie that is not Armageddon. That was followed by Godzilla. Godzilla sir. Then it was Jim Carrey’s dramatic turn in Truman Show, one of Harrison Ford’s last movies in his prime Six Days Seven Nights, the X-Files, Mulan, the Eddie Murphy Doctor Dolittle, George Clooney’s Out of Sight and finally Armageddon. Notice a pattern here? Between Godzilla and Armageddon, where did all the blockbusters go? Oh, that’s right. That’s when Superman Lives was supposed to come out. Look at the competition. Deep Impact, Godzilla, a Disney cartoon and a bunch of mid-budget films. Superman Lives would have dominated at the box office. It could have been, at the very least, the 3rd biggest hit of the year. And that’s assuming the movie wouldn’t have been good. The biggest hit that year was Saving Private Ryan and that only made $15M more than Armageddon. If the movie was good, shit, that could have been #1. WB could have gotten a head start on Marvel. This would have come out before X-Men and Spider-Man. Instead they wait 15 years and give us the Snyderverse. |
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