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Post by Neverending on Mar 23, 2023 3:09:18 GMT -5
Guys, I’m sorry, but these movies are terrible. The first John Wick is cute, I guess. A group of hooligans kill the wrong dog and pay the price. The second John Wick has lore, which is interesting, I guess, and the fight scenes are pretty neat. But John Wick 3 and John Wick 4 are beyond preposterous. The Fast & Furious movies seem modest in comparison. John Wick somehow survived the events of John Wick 3 and challenges Pennywise the Clown to a duel. But before he can do that, he has to murder half the population of Paris. Watching this movie made me feel like I got dumber, like my brain cells were being murdered as this ridiculous movie slogged through its ludicrous 3-hour runtime. Alright. Rant done. I’ll sit here as you guys jerk off to John Wick 4. “John Wick fell down 50 flights of stairs. I’m gonna cum!!!!” — SnoBorderZero probably
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Post by 1godzillafan on Mar 25, 2023 19:54:42 GMT -5
John Wick 5 now please.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Mar 25, 2023 23:13:55 GMT -5
This might -- MIGHT -- be my favorite one.
And the runtime honestly flew by. Had a blast with this.
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Post by Dracula on Mar 26, 2023 19:51:36 GMT -5
John Wick: Chapter 4(3/23/2023) Warning: Review contains spoilers
Not since The Fast and the Furious has an action franchise that started so modestly blown up into something as outlandish as what the John Wick movies have become. It feels like ages ago now but that first John Wick was supposed to be this quick little low budget Keanu Reeves vehicle that would come and go in the October of 2014, and for a while that seemed like all it was. It opened at number two behind the movie Ouija and made less than $50 million dollars at the domestic violence during its release, which was enough of a win to spawn a sequel but certainly didn’t set Hollywood on fire. But the movie really blew up on home video and by the time the sequels came the audiences showed up and in pretty large numbers. And as the series popularity grew the ambitions of the creative team grew as well and the movies grew increasingly large and bombastic and operatic in nature, bringing John Wick to increasingly exotic locales and engaging in more and more over the top shootouts. And this exponentially increasingly scale seems to have reached its zenith with the fourth and by some accounts final film in the series, John Wick: Chapter IV, which reportedly cost $100 million to make and runs nearly three hours. This fourth film picks up a few months after the events of John Wick: Chapter 3 with Wick (Keanu Reeves) now trying to bring the war to The High Table, murdering The Elder (George Georgiou) and then going into hiding. With it revealed that Wick is alive and that the attempt on his life in the last movie failed, The High Table sends an official called The Harbinger (Clancy Brown) along with a high ranking and aristocratic High Table member called the Marquis Vincent de Gramont (Bill Skarsgård) to punish The New York Continental for their failure to reign in Wick. They execute The Concierge (Lance Reddick) on the spot and excommunicate The Manager (Ian McShane), seemingly allowing him to live to stricken him with humiliation and dishonor. From there they begin trying to track down Wick and assemble various assassins to do this including a guy named Chidi (Marko Zaror), a guy with a trained attack dog called Mr. Nobody (Shamier Anderson), and most notably and old friend of Wick’s named Caine (Donnie Yen) a blind but high achieving killer who only reluctantly joins the hunt because The High Table is threatening his daughter. These people all eventually converge on the Osaka Continental where a manager Shimazu Koji (Hiroyuki Sanada) has been harboring Wick much to the chagrin of his daughter (Rina Sawayama) and this will eventually lead to (one of many) shootout that will lead to a globe-trotting hunt with the very roots of The High Table on the line. I’ve had pretty mixed feelings about all the John Wick movies to date in that I think their action scenes are really doing everything I’ve wanted cinematic action movie to do. They’re these R-rated ballets of violence that feel like a sort of natural evolution of what John Woo was doing in the late 80s and early 90s, Keanu Reeves looks incredibly cool while doing them, and as the series has gone on the creative team has really made use of the higher budgets to make them look kind of immaculate. However, the world these movies inhabit is profoundly silly and their plots are ultimately a bunch of nonsense. I could sit here all day and find nitpicky reasons why “The High Table” and the weird gold coin based economy makes zero sense. Like, the sheer number of paid assassins in this would imply that there’s enough demand for such a profession that there must be exponentially more murder victims every year. And the films also seem to live in a world where there are seemingly no police whatsoever and where high body count shootouts can happen more or less right out in the open on city streets without it seeming to cause much of a stir at all with the global status quo. Hell, this latest installment even suggests that The High Table runs a The Warriors style radio station in Paris meant to keep the French assassin community informed about the location of various targets… that’s crazy right? The thing is, you’re probably just not supposed to take these movies that literally. One could almost say that you’re supposed to look at them in almost expressionistic terms and I think that claim works better as the series has moved forward and the cinematography has become increasingly avant-garde and the sets have gotten even more over the top decadent in their depiction of this sort of super upscale locations (seriously, the number of nightclubs in these cities is pretty astonishing). It’s almost like a work of cyberpunk but with bullets replacing the computers and illuminati-like crime syndicates replacing the monolithic tech corporations. That having been said, even if looking at them in that generous light I still don’t exactly think all the character motivations really add up here and I don’t think I’m as willing to forgive that. Like, early on there’s this big shootout at the Osaka Continental which is a hell of a set-piece but it’s also basically only happening because Wick needlessly put the place in danger for no reason, and then much of the rest of the film hinges on some pretty inconsistent notions of High Table rules and norms that the series writers are more than likely making up as they go. For instance, much of the film’s second half is predicated on Wick being given the idea to conclude this conflict with the High Table by challenging The Marquis to a dual, which might have been a smart thing to have done two movies ago, and the rules about when they’re supposed to give him sanctuary to participate in this ritual and when they’re not don’t really compute. I also must say I didn’t care for how the film’s ending was handled at all. There’s a pretty lengthy scene about midway through the film where Wick goes on something of a side-quest to take out a German High Table member (played by Scott Adkins in heavy makeup), which leads to a rather odd moment where this character has Wick and two of his pursuers (who, like the Halle Berry character in the last movie, kind of feel like they’ve been introduced as the potential subjects of future spinoffs) to a game of poker in which all three men turn up outrageously strong hands only to be beaten by the dealers hand: five of a kind. The lesson that this man seems to be patiently imparting is that you really can’t beat the High Table at their own game because they’re not really playing that game honestly and use their rules to exploit people. That’s an interesting thematic message and seems to be the one reason this whole episode is in this already lengthy movie, but the movie doesn’t really carry the message through in the finale, in which Wick does indeed play by the High Table’s rules and it does result in what is a moral victory of sorts. I guess one could say that The High Table trying to murder him before his arrival at the duel is the movie’s equivalent of the five-of-a-kind, but they were already trying to murder him before that anyway so I’m not sure it really resonates. I was kind of hoping the film would end on something a little more radical in which Wick really subverts things but in the end it doesn’t really go there.
But maybe I’m burying the lede here a bit, most people aren’t going to these movies to contemplate character motivations or find coherence in the world building, they’re going to watch Keanu Reeves look really cool while shooting a whole bunch of bad guys in the head, and this movie does mostly deliver on that front. Scene for scene the action scenes in John Wick: Chapter 3 might have been a little more a little more inventive but these ones are longer and more epic in scope. The new supporting cast is also mostly solid. Bill Skarsgård plays a pretty stock European aristocrat villain, but Shamier Anderson is pretty strong as one of the henchmen hunting Wick (even if his character is a bit loopy) and Donnie Yen is a real standout as a blind assassin who mostly isn’t hindered by his disability, which is something of an action movie trope but one that’s well done here. And while that three hour runtime is kind of nuts on paper I didn’t really mind the pacing too much, this is kind of one of those movies where the excessiveness is sort of the point and that extended running time is sort of part of the package. Those just looking for more action and entertainment from this will mostly be pleased. And in many ways I’m also quite impressed by what’s been accomplished here as well, but looking back on this movie and the franchise as a whole I just kind of feel like this whole enterprise falls short of true greatness. With a little more forethought and story ambition to go with the style this series could have really been one of the finest accomplishments in all of action cinema but I feel like the creative team just leaned too much into B-movie laziness a while back when setting up this universe in a way that even this rather accomplished “final” movie couldn’t really shake. ***1/2 out of Five
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Post by Neverending on Mar 27, 2023 0:49:33 GMT -5
Not since The Fast and the Furious has an action franchise that started so modestly blown up into something as outlandish as what the John Wick movies have become. It feels like ages ago now but that first John Wick was supposed to be this quick little low budget Keanu Reeves vehicle that would come and go in the October of 2014, and for a while that seemed like all it was. The original John Wick was a showcase for Keanu Reeves’ stunt doubles on The Matrix whom now had directing aspirations. It was also a “statement film.” Scott Adkins (who is a highlight in John Wick 4) has a martial arts podcast in which his guests and him often discuss how much they loathed the Jason Bourne era of American cinema. John Wick essentially sent Jason Bourne to its grave. But while David Leitch (love him or hate him) has gone on to make movies that at least have a plot and some humor (Deadpool 2, Bullet Train), Chad Stahelski has remained with the John Wick series and forgotten that he’s more than just a stunt coordinator and second unit director. That may work at Marvel where Kevin Feige makes all the creative decisions, but Chad Stahelski is supposed to be the visionary here. I think these John Wick movies will follow in the same legacy as the Jason Bourne movies. Great for its time but will age questionably.
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 27, 2023 15:22:43 GMT -5
Loved this. My favourite of the series. Good luck to the Mission: Impossible team because the bar for action filmmaking this year is set ludicrously high.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 27, 2023 19:58:02 GMT -5
Loved this. My favourite of the series. Good luck to the Mission: Impossible team because the bar for action filmmaking this year is set ludicrously high. Tom Cruise doesn’t see this series as a threat.
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Post by frankyt on Mar 28, 2023 6:41:13 GMT -5
donny's Avengement star Adkins was a highlight for sure, the two side characters were questionable additions, but the shotgun incendiary rounds scene was truly something I'd never seen before and got me sitting upright almost immediately with a grin on my face. I thought it was the best of the sequels and maybe the best overall, and I do agree that the movies get bogged way down in the lore and weirdness of it, that opening scene had me rolling my eyes and laughing, but they never really had that kind of tone in mind for the rest of the movie - which might be a mistake. The ending was handled meh and kinda rushed - but the action was pretty glorious on this one. I'd give it a 7.5/10 - def wanted a post credit scene at the graveyard and a hand rocking up.
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Post by PG Cooper on Mar 28, 2023 11:01:13 GMT -5
Loved this. My favourite of the series. Good luck to the Mission: Impossible team because the bar for action filmmaking this year is set ludicrously high. Tom Cruise doesn’t see this series as a threat. Artistically, he should. John Wick 4 is better than every Mission: Impossible not directed by Brian De Palma and it's also better than Maverick.
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Post by frankyt on Mar 28, 2023 13:59:03 GMT -5
I mean action is def better in John wick but the stunts... Well that's Tom cruise's music. He def out stunts Keanu, hell reeves doesn't do any of his own stunts (fighting/action is a bit different) - I bet the main stunt he did was the drifting while shooting out the door at the arch de triumph.
But if we talking masks? No contest.
But gun/fight action? Yea wick wins in a landslide.
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Post by donny on Mar 28, 2023 17:40:33 GMT -5
frankyt echoes my main sentiments that we all got to enjoy Scott Adkins in this, which means we’ve come full circle on Avengement. You’re welcome. Really enjoyed this one. My favorite of the sequels. The original is still the GOAT of the Franchise, but this is a lot of fun. Also really fucking long. With each addition to John Wick franchise, two things seem seemingly always happen; The storyline becomes sillier and more convoluted, but the action and set pieces aim to, and mostly strive at outdoing its predecessor. With this having the largest budget of them all, Reeves and Stahelski don’t waste a minute. The good thing with it getting so over the top is that at least Stahelski have done very good job at casting the supporting characters throughout the series. Silly as it story may get, having folks like Ian McShane, Lance Reddick (RIP) and Laurence Fisbhburne commit to the bit makes it much more palatable. They sell their roles to perfection. Reeves, as always in this series, brings the necessary physicality to make us buy into the character. His stoic one liners are enough for a quick laugh, while his facial expressions are enough to highlight the physical toll Wick has been through. Definitely a bit long, definitely a bit over the top, but more than enough make up for this. Fun time all around.
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Post by Neverending on Mar 28, 2023 20:39:00 GMT -5
Tom Cruise doesn’t see this series as a threat. Artistically, he should. John Wick 4 is better than every Mission: Impossible not directed by Brian De Palma and it's also better than Maverick. You’re off your meds. frankyt echoes my main sentiments that we all got to enjoy Scott Adkins in this, which means we’ve come full circle on Avengement. You’re welcome. I have been converted, sir. The cast is indeed great.
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Post by Doomsday on Apr 2, 2023 10:54:06 GMT -5
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Post by Neverending on Apr 2, 2023 12:07:15 GMT -5
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If they kill off Indiana Jones I'm done with movies Ana De Armas hasn’t been cast so that’s a good sign.
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Post by IanTheCool on Apr 2, 2023 21:18:24 GMT -5
I liked it well enough, though I do have to admit I was falling asleep around the middle. Might have been because it was a really busy, exhausting week, not sure.
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Post by Nilade on Apr 23, 2023 1:32:12 GMT -5
Way better than a fourth film in a series has any right to be. Loved it.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 23, 2023 2:35:58 GMT -5
Way better than a fourth film in a series has any right to be. Loved it. “John Wick 4 makes Mad Max 4 look like Indiana Jones 4” — Doomsday
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Post by Doomsday on May 17, 2023 22:52:38 GMT -5
I think the blu-ray cover is way better than the 4k. Nice! Meh.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 11, 2023 14:09:12 GMT -5
As much as I like the first three John Wick movies, I admit I thought I'd had them figured out: solid/fun action movies with inventive action choreography and simple stories, and I was perfectly fine with that. Well, lo and behold, along comes John Wick: Chapter 4, with a bit loftier ambitions that honestly kind of blew my expectations out of the water. Not that I'd go so far as to call this one of the greatest action films ever made -- at least, not right now -- but it certainly aims for that and still comes within target range. Director Chad Stahelski is just upping the game here in every way, and he's more than able to follow through with that confidence. The action scenes in this film are even more impressively staged than in the past movies, from the choreography to the cinematography (that overhead sequence, anyone?), and not to mention that they get even crazier as a result. And yet, the movie still manages to walk a fine line between awesome and just ridiculous, instead existing in that sweet middle spot that makes everything feel that much more entertaining. But it's not just the action. The introduction of colorful new characters and further expansion of this universe's lore give the film extra flavor as well, and deepen what this one is going for. That's not even to mention the fact that John's journey as a character here feels the most personal it's been since the first film, and it underscores everything with a more emotional undercurrent that permeates through the whole film without ever overshadowing it. John Wick: Chapter 4 really does feel like a culmination, so it makes sense that it has so much passion put into it. And as a result, it feels that much more satisfying. I would personally like for the John Wick movies proper to end here, because it feels like the purest distillation of the franchise. But either way, they delivered a truly kickass action film with Chapter 4, and that alone is worth celebrating.
***1/2 /****
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 22, 2023 11:15:47 GMT -5
One of the first things we see in John Wick: Chapter 4 is a match being blown out and an immediate cut to a rising desert sun. Most cinephiles worth their salt will immediately recognize this as a homage to a famous match-cut from Lawrence of Arabia. An obvious nod, but an appropriate one. This isn't just a cute wink to a classic for cinephile street cred, it's a statement for Chad Stahelski's greater ambitions for the fourth installment in the John Wick franchise. The film is marked by an overriding sense of grandeur. It is evident in the film's massive running time (three hours for a shoot 'em up is quite unconventional), in its beautiful imagery and stylish production design, and most especially in the action set-pieces. The John Wick movies have always had a knack for mixing creative choreography, fantastic use of setting, and brutally efficient killing, all rendered with ferocious technical skill. This is still true with Chapter Four, but there's also an evident desire to push things even further. The expanded runtime allows the filmmakers to really stretch the action to absurd levels (an appropriate choice given the sheer attrition and the draining effect it has on John are crucial to the story) but the filmmakers also keep innovating in simpler ways, finding new forms of glorious shootouts. The top-down perspective of one sequence towards the end and the um, explosive qualities are definite high points in a movie full of high points.
Remarkable too is the movie's tone, which manages to be positively giddy about its violence - I frequently found myself physically reacting as if this were live sports - while also having a surprisingly somber tone. John Wick's character has always been marked by tragedy but none of the movies feel nearly as oppressive as this one, with John struggling against the all-mighty powers of the high table. Taken literally, the world and lore of these movies might be completely silly, but as an abstraction of a man fighting for control over his life against larger, more nebulous forces, it's quite powerful. Underlining this tale are questions of friendship and loyalty which hit that sweet-spot of pulpy pathos, and it helps that the supporting cast is the best we've seen in any of these movies. Donnie Yen in particular is just absurdly cool and the way his "blind martial arts master" archetype here manages to inform some dynamic and unique action scenes is great fun. The lesser known Shamier Anderson also makes for a distinct presence, Scott Adkins brief appearance is demented and hilarious, and it was also lovely to see Clancy Brown in a small but pivotal role. Man fits right in.
Perhaps the simplest description and highest praise I can give to John Wick: Chapter 4 is to say that it feels like the filmmakers weren't content with just making a great sequel or even a great action movie, but the greatest action movie of all-time. That's not to say they actually succeeded at doing so, but the ambitions are that lofty. It's evident in every frame how much passion went into this movie, how important it was for everyone to get it right. And the results are rather breathtaking. This is the pinnacle of the John Wick movies, a pure distillation of action cinema, and if it truly is the end of the series, I can say that I'm grateful for what it's left us.
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Post by Neverending on Aug 19, 2023 16:35:08 GMT -5
That’s the most Canadian shit ever. I can see why PG Cooper and IanTheCool are too embarrassed to include Keanu as one of their own. Same with them disowning Ryan Gosling cause he was Young Hercules.
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