Ukraine v Russia

Maybe, but there's a very good chance that it ends up being something more akin to Russia's Vietnam.  Biden has mostly succeeded in uniting the NATO countries to stand firm on this but at the end of the day Ukraine is not a NATO country or a formal ally and the U.S. and E.U. are under no obligation to directly enter into a war between it and Russia, and their move would likely be to supply arms and coordination to Ukrainian fighters.  Ukraine is a large country that would be very difficult to occupy if the people there stand tough and engage in a long resistance fight.  Russia's economy is not doing great now and this whole situation has not had the rally around the flag effect Putin may have been hoping for and if body bags start returning home in large numbers the people could turn against him for starting the boondoggle for nebulous reasons and for the even bigger hit to their economy that would result from the sanctions that would follow.

That's the best scenario of a War in Ukraine for the western world.  The less good scenario is that Putin cuts off oil going to Europe making the price of gas worldwide skyrocket, then everyone caves and Russia gets what it wants.  Either way I don't think WW3 is the most likely outcome. 

Russia already had their Vietnam. They made an entire movie about it.

Fuck

Kept reading those reports about how imminent it was and invasion didn't happen so I was hoping it would just de-escalate.
So sad, feeling like there are going to be a lot of dominoes falling over time with this one.

Been a truly embarrassing day for Tankie Twitter.

Yeah but what are her Batman rankings?

The only superhero movies she likes are Green Lantern and Eternals.

All these sanctions, a new spate of them everyday from different countries... is it going to make any difference?? Right now it looks like all thats going to happen is Ukraine as a country will be smashed and Russia ends up economically crushed. Real lose-lose, it's so sad.

I understand the antisanction let's plea for compassion to the general populace, but none of their alternatives are realistic (ex. We're long past diplomacy). Best you could hope for here is targeted sanctions against the oligarchs to foment an anti-Putin contingent, and surreptitious arms trading to the Ukranians.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/07/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-jets-chinese

"In a speech to Republican donors in New Orleans, Donald Trump said the US should put the Chinese flag on F-22 jets and “bomb the shit out of Russia” in retribution for its invasion of Ukraine.

The Washington Post reported the remarks, which were made on Saturday night.

To laughter, the paper said, the former president said: “And then we say, ‘China did it, we didn’t do it, China did it,’ and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.”


They say he was joking, but Trump definitely believes this would be a great idea. Same way he tried to walk back injecting bleach when he was dead serious.

'Take cover, the Americans are bombing us! Their jets are flying overhead!'
'But comrade, the shrapnel, it has a Chinese flag on it. It even says Made in China.'
'....mother of god.'

It really is astounding to me that the party that worshipped Ronald Reagan, staunch enemy of the Soviet Union, and that whine about Communism at every turn are pro-Russia.

I mean, it isn't because the Republicans are now for autocrats and would love nothing more to make Trump king of this country. But still, the bar has always been very low for Republicans but they keep lowering it and lowering it with all this pro-Putin propaganda.