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Post by Neverending on Dec 21, 2021 5:46:19 GMT -5
I liked it.
After Neo & Trinity defeated the machines, war began among the machines. Some allied with the humans. Others, fighting for limited resources, restarted the Matrix and resurrected the corpses of Neo & Trinity to use as their core energy source. The movie picks up 60 years into this version of the Matrix and follows a group of followers tasked with rescuing Neo & Trinity.
The stakes are low in this sequel. It’s really just a human story. No ones trying to save the world. It feels like a throwback cyberpunk movie from the 1990’s. It’s pretty cool. I had fun with it.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Dec 22, 2021 19:03:46 GMT -5
I likely won't get to watch this for a few days. I have holiday commitments.
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 22, 2021 21:49:56 GMT -5
I haven't rewatched any of the movies in over 10 yrs.
Really wanted to go all-in on the feeling if being lost in the dense mumbo-jumbo.
About an hour in, and I'm really digging it so far, but I'm very confused.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 22, 2021 22:13:05 GMT -5
***1/2 out of Five
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 22, 2021 23:41:15 GMT -5
I enjoyed this quite a bit.
The hammy stuff worked well in context, and I had a few good moments think about free will, humanity, and stuff. Groff and Harris were great. One cameo actor from a sequel steals the damn show.
The last 5 minutes is kinda cringy, but it makes sense as a reflection of the filmmakers transition. Doesn't really knock it back too much for me.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 23, 2021 16:57:38 GMT -5
The Matrix Resurrections(12/22/2021) When the trailer for the fourth Matrix film finally dropped a couple of months ago, after a lot of speculation about what this long awaited follow-up to 2003’s The Matrix Revolutions would even be, a lot of people were on board and excited about it. I wasn’t one of them. The Matrix is quite transparently one of the greatest action movies ever made and a piece of work that is generally timeless but it’s two sequels are far more divisive and I’m among their detractors. I wouldn’t say they’re total failures as there are certainly some interesting things to be found in them but as movies unto themselves I don’t think they really work and at the time of their release they were probably the biggest cinematic letdowns of my life. After those movies came out Warner Brothers seemed oddly willing to let this popular franchise stay inactive and the Wachowskis went on to various other projects that never achieved the success of their breakout franchise. I kind of like Cloud Atlas but get why others don’t and I hated Jupiter Ascending and only got a couple of episodes into their Netflix series “Sense8.” But even when I liked them I found that most of these follow-up projects felt more like their over-ambitious out of control Matrix sequels than the streamlined and visionary original. But even if Lana Wachowski (who directed this one alone) could shed some of those bad habits the broader world of The Matrix was already so borked by the sequels that I had my doubts that she or anyone else would be able to untangle the franchise from all the nonsense about Keymakers and Merovingians and Architects for a belated fourth movie, but I was willing to give it a shot.
Exactly what kind of Matrix movie this was going to be was a bit unclear when it was first announced but it’s now clear that it is not a reboot or anything like that, it is in fact a legit sequel that fully acknowledges the events of all three previous films as cannon and does have an extensive explanations for why Neo and Trinity are once again alive after having seemingly died during the events of The Matrix Revolutions and what has happened in the reality of this world since then even if it takes a little while to get there. The film doesn’t really lay all this out there because it starts with Neo once again trapped in The Matrix, but this time they make him a prominent video game programmer who created a trilogy of games called “The Matrix” which take the place of the Matrix movie trilogy in this version of the world and is being asked to make a fourth, leading to a bunch of Meta jokes about the oddness of a fourth movie being made without the slightest bit of subtly (they call out Warner Brothers by name and subject Neo to a mind numbing brainstorming session with co-writers). Some will find this element clever and subversive, but I kind of hated it and don’t think it will age well. Fortunately that whole theme is pretty much dropped after the first act and it proceeds to be something closer to a straightforward Matrix sequel.
Laurence Fishburne and Hugo Weaving have not returned this time around and in there place we get a sort of version of the former played by Yahya Abdul-Mateen II and a sort of version of the latter played by Jonathan Groff and I must say both actors are missed. They kind of get away with the “new Morpheus,” in part because Abdul-Mateen is a good presence and they had a kind of interesting idea with what to do with the character but I don’t think I liked much of anything about the bootleg Agent Smith that Groff is playing or even what they’re doing with the character regardless of who plays him. The film also has a LOT of callbacks to the original films including fairly extensive use of actual clips from them interspersed into the film, which is kind of interesting at first but really kind of grates at a certain point. I think this is meant to be some kind of meta statement about Hollywood recycling its past but the point gets made pretty early and probably could have been left behind in the first act along with the “fourth video game adaptation” stuff. The film only works sporadically as an action movie; there are some cool scenes to be found in it but a couple of these action scene kind of whiff (particularly one at about the mid-point featuring the return of everyone’s least favorite Matrix character The Merovingian). This franchise has basically never managed to come up with a signature bit of violence that wowed people like the first couple uses of “bullet time” and they still don’t really pull it off here or even try really.
So, this is a flawed sequel at best but I didn’t dislike it by any means, in fact I think I can safely say it’s the second best Matrix movie, albeit a rather distant second behind the transcendent original film. The film does a much better job of bringing the overall world of The Matrix post-Revolutions into some kind of understandable order than I expected it to and if nothing else you can’t really accuse the film of being on auto-pilot. And for all I complain that this doesn’t live up to or exceed the action legacy of the first movie or even the sequels for that matter there are parts that work and I mostly enjoyed the final action scene even if I didn’t fully understand what the characters were trying to do in it. Beyond that I quite liked seeing Keanu Reeves in this part again (even if he couldn’t be bothered to ditch his John Wick haircut) as well as Carrie-Anne Moss and really liked the presence of Jessica Henwick and Neil Patrick Harris as some of the few brand new characters to be found in the film. I also can’t deny the role that expectations play in elevating this movie and de-elevating those other sequels. I went into The Matrix Reloaded as a fifteen year old expecting a film that would fulfill the Matrix Trilogy’s destiny as the Star Wars of my generation and it… didn’t do that. Whereas I turned this thing on hoping it would at least be halfway coherent and it definitely exceeded those low expectations and generally just feels like a movie worth looking at in general. ***1/2 out of Five
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 24, 2021 11:03:53 GMT -5
Is it me or did they screw with the frame speed during the action sequences? It all feels sped up and cartoony. It's fine the rest of the time but it's very noticeable in the action scenes.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 24, 2021 19:35:16 GMT -5
I enjoyed it quite a bit. I have a lot of thoughts and feelings to sort through to figure out exactly where I stand but I was pretty well captivated from beginning to end. I was certainly wrapped up in the romance story elements and I also loved seeing how the world and characters have grown since Revolutions. In general I love how the movie manages to critique the endless regurgition of franchise IPs but still offers a thoughtful continutation of the characters and world.
There are some elements I'm not completely sold on, like the handling of Smith or how on the nose some of the meta elements are, but these too have their positive virtues. Really, it's hard to be too down on anything in The Matrix Resurrections. Even if it isn't the perfect film experience of the original, the movie is so consistently creative and thoughtful and interesting.
Hard to rank with the rest of the series (I will forever be a card-carrying sequel fan) but I had a great time. If nothing else I suspect I'll be thinking about it for a while.
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 24, 2021 20:46:11 GMT -5
If you love Wes Craven's New Nightmare, you'll love this.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Dec 24, 2021 23:03:21 GMT -5
I liked it
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 25, 2021 23:48:10 GMT -5
Color me unimpressed. While I was watching I sat there thinking that the Matrix is like the Will Smith of movie franchises. It was really cool in the late 90s/early 2000s, it made its mark in the cultural zeitgeist at the time, it sparked a lot of imitators but now twenty years later its showing clear signs of age, it's not really contributing anything new or different or original, everything we're seeing was already done and in fact done better before and I'm unsure why what this was even made in the first place. I'm no Matrix acolyte so my expectations were already low but aside from the meta references that have already been discussed, nothing here was as clever as it probably seemed on paper. The whole Morpheus thing for example, I get why they gave him that name but there was no reason he had to be named Morpheus other than to make us go 'hey, Morpheus!' The action was bland, it seemed to be making things up as it went along and the whole thing just seemed very poorly paced. Nothing felt like it was 'bad' but it all just felt so average and phoned in. I've only seen Reloaded and Revolutions once when they were first released and have little desire to revisit them. Add Resurrections to that list.
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Post by Jibbs on Dec 26, 2021 13:44:31 GMT -5
I dunno, it could have been much better. I found myself a lot more interested in "Smith" and NPH/Machines as characters than this non-reboot/reboot. A lot of cringe moments, too. Did Trinty's return have to be followed by her being called a MILF?
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Post by Neverending on Dec 26, 2021 15:49:57 GMT -5
Did Trinty's return have to be followed by her being called a MILF? Yes.
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 26, 2021 16:23:35 GMT -5
Did Trinty's return have to be followed by her being called a MILF? Yes. If anything, I see this as a positive.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 28, 2021 15:39:48 GMT -5
This movie is a lot to take in on a first viewing. Not necessarily because it's complicated, but because it's a movie which takes bold and wild creative swings that are sometimes uneven but always fascinating. I remember when The Last Jedi came out hearing these claims that the movie was some radical reinvention of Star Wars, either a burst of creative artistry for those who liked Episode VIII or a spit in the face of the franchise for those outraged by what Rian Johnson had done. And then I saw The Last Jedi and thought "this is just another Star Wars movie". A pretty good one, one that had some interesting ideas and thoughtful implications, but one that still didn't stray too far from the narrative, aesthetics, or themes of Star Wars since 1977.
The Matrix Resurrections is the kind of sequel people described The Last Jedi as being. The film begins resembling a Force Awakens-style "similar but different" soft reboot before a hard left turn throws us into unexpected territory. This is most overt in the "meta" (though perhaps "interrogative" would be a better word choice) elements of the story, the film a rather transparent expression of Lana Wachowski's own dismay and frustration of her art being transformed into a commodity to be repackaged so long as it can yield more return. But there are other, more subtle changes too. The visual style of Resurrections is completely different from its predecessors. Even with repeated iconography, the colour grading and cinematography are not necessarily in line with the original Matrix aesthetic.
The action scenes too, are not the same controlled kinetic excitement as before. There's been some debate about whether or not the action is deliberately bad as some sort of commentary on modern blockbusters, but I don't think that's quite true. The real point is that Neo isn't a badass screen hero anymore. He may still know kung-fu, but he's older, more disconnected and overwhelmed by the world, and that's reflected in action which feels a bit more detached, less intrinsically awesome than what come before. Frankly, I'm not totally sold on this point and I certainly would have welcomed a set-piece on the level of the subway fight from the first film or the amazing freeway chase from Reloaded. Then again, I should probably stress that I don't, by any means think the action scenes in Resurrections are bad. They may not reach the same awesome highs the series has previously seen, but that's a damn high bar. The film still features some of the more creative and invigorating set-pieces I've seen all year, always prioritizing character and theme.
Character and theme are really at the heart of The Matrix Resurrections and on that level the film excels. I was glued to the screen constantly but the movie is at its best when focusing on the romance between Neo and Trinity, which is achingly sincere and heartfelt. Circumstances too complicated to get into keep the pair separated for much of the story, allowing for scenes of early flirtations and attraction that can be positively delightful but also drift into more somber ideas of regret and disappointment. Watching these two slowly come back together is the defining tension of the film and one which definitely affected me.
And for all I've said about The Matrix Resurrections challenging the foundations upon which the franchise is built, this is still very much a Matrix sequel. Once again, the focus is on how systems of control suppress and make people obedient and the ways Lana Wachowksi has expanded the world of the series since Revolutions are rewarding. And for all the ways one can detect Lana's frustration over the Matrix IP being wrung dry, Resurrections is still an expression of love, a movie about how we are inspired by others and the stories they tell. It may not be a perfect movie. It introduces a bit too many new characters to really stand-out and the return of one figure from the original trilogy was not totally satisfying (even if I quite like what the new actor was doing) but even in its shakiest moments I was still interested in what Lana was doing. On some level I might just be responding to the sheer joy in seeing a tentpole franchise film that is so unapologetically personal but I found The Matrix Resurrections to be a delight, some of the most excitement and joy I've felt watching a movie all year.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Dec 28, 2021 17:29:07 GMT -5
When it comes to films that truly were transcendent, influential, pop-culture phenomenons, a movie that will undoubtedly come up fast is The Matrix. Since releasing in 1999, it's almost impossible to accurately say just how much has been influenced by the sci-fi blockbuster that redefined action filmmaking forever. It's a movie that I myself have seen countless times, and like all true masterpieces I pick up more of the many intricate details that the Wachowskis ensconced in their incredible world building every time I revisit it. Naturally, sequels followed, and I recently revisited them too before seeing the fourth installment. The sequels have their fans, but I'm not one of them. Gone was the noir-leaning style, the clever practical effects work, and most importantly the heady but always accessible plotting in place of several scenes of irrelevant side characters pontificating in endless platitudes and lazy CGI that felt far, far away from what made the original so mesmerizing. Still, The Matrix is a franchise ripe with possibilities and lore - as explored in the superior to the sequels: The Animatrix - and with the surge in popularity surrounding America's sweetheart Keanu Reeves coupled with the string of box office bombs and critical flops by the Wachowskis since The Matrix Revolutions, we finally reached the inevitable: a fourth installment.
Despite my indifference towards Reloaded and Revolutions (the latter of which is a pretty terrible movie) I was very intrigued by what Lana Wachowski (Lilly sat this one out) had drubbed up in the nearly two decades since the third film. I was certain that it would follow the trend of most reboots where it's a glossy retread of the original, and I was absolutely wrong on that front. Wachowski quite knowingly bucks this trend outright, electing for a lot of meta conversations about the struggle for artistry against a corporation's financial interest (here she calls out Warner Bros. by name) and the incessant debate from critics and audiences alike about their interpretations of said art and the constant dig for alternative meanings and overanalyzing that's likely driven her a bit mad. For some this sequence will annoy, but I found it to be far and away the most interesting part of the film and perhaps the only intrigue generated in the picture's entirety.
Neo (Keanu Reeves) is not Neo anymore but is back to being Thomas Anderson. He's a top game designer who has put his "experiences" from the original trilogy into the most popular games in the world, literally called The Matrix. The meta overload is a lot to ingest, but its jarring nature impressed me instantly and I knew that whatever the rest of the film plays out as that The Matrix Resurrections at least presents the most philosophical existentialism to chew on since the original. Wachowski, whether it be from bitterness at having to make this movie due to the numerous flops since or the agony of living under the shadow of her magnum opus that she'll never top, is aware of what the fans want in a fourth installment and gives everyone the finger, Neo-style. Wachowski had the nerve to purposefully subvert everything people have dreamed another visit to the Matrix could bring, and despite the movie itself being an almost total failure I have to really applaud her for going this route. The problem with being snarky towards the Hollywood machine and the overly knowing tone that Resurrections takes is that it doesn't actually do anything to distinguish itself in the end, and as the movie plods along it becomes clear that as groundbreaking as the original film was, Resurrections feels stale and behind the eight ball every scene after its fun early diatribes. I had this same problem with the Deadpool films, where they were so quick to point out the generic elements that its peers take on while at the same time falling prey to many of those exact same conventions and tropes. Resurrections doesn't ever really become a blockbuster in the traditional sense, but it doesn't present a lot to grab onto either.
Let's start with the action, which most people compartmentalize the merits of the franchise around. The credentials of the original don't need to be listed here, as it's become satirical for years to use the bullet time, back-bending, lobby shootout sequences as backdrops. The sequels, for all of their narrative faults, also offered up some dazzling action especially the freeway chase in Reloaded (which was one of the few scenes that improved for me on a rewatch) or Neo's climactic fight with Agent Smith in the rain in Revolutions. Resurrections doesn't have a signature moment, and even worse what was once fresh is now as stale as can be. The action choreography feels uninspired, and it's not helped by the action being shot in too many closeups and mids that's all choppily edited together. Neo's tricks are the same from before, though now he sort of force-pushes obstacles out of his way over and over with none of it looking particularly good. The first three films all had moments that dazzled the audience, whether it was from the clever fight choreography or the frenetic shootouts or even the silly mech suits from the third film, and in Resurrections there just isn't one. Even the climactic chase sequence through the streets of San Francisco feels like a middle of act two action sequence, and despite the signature horns blaring while cars are flipped over in slow-motion and the bullet time mayhem around everyone, none of it lingers in the mind.
Even worse than the lackluster action is the film's plot line and handling of new characters. If you have to keep asking yourself why all of this is happening and why does it matter, you're not alone. For all the doomsday scenario silliness of the original trilogy, you never questioned that what was at stake was the end of humanity if Neo can't defeat the machines or at least broker the peace that he achieves at the end of Revolutions. That peace has been broken, and while it sort of works for why Neo and Trinity (Carrie-Anne Moss) are back this time around it all feels very forced and insignificant. We're given a lot of sequences of Neo talking with either Smith (Jonathan Groff, who despite his best efforts can't come close to Hugo Weaving) or The Analyst (Neil Patrick Harris) in endless platitudes of what can't be achieved, and then at the mere mention of Trinity and love is able to prove them wrong with some eruptions of his reawakening power. The sequels suffered from this as well, but at least they stacked some fun action in-between. We're not so lucky with Resurrections, which doubles down on the gibberish while not delivering any of the fun.
In terms of these new faces, I enjoyed the performance by Jessica Henwick as Bugs despite her not getting much to do, but found the handling of Morpheus (Yahya Abdul-Mateen II) to be extremely clunky and unsatisfying. Abdul-Mateen is a terrific actor, and I can appreciate him attempting to create his own interpretation of a character as synonymous with the franchise as Neo is, but it just doesn't work. Morpheus, for all of his prophetic pondering and spartan use of dialogue to arrive at his conclusions in the original, became a total throwaway in the sequels in favor of forgettable side characters and things aren't much better this time around either. The rest of the cast are members of the ship's crew who you instantly forget the moment they're introduced. We even get a trip to the new sort of Zion to reunite with Niobe (Jada Pinkett-Smith), but this is perhaps the worst string of sequences in the film. Anytime in the sequels that we weren't in the Matrix was where the films languished the most, drudged down in stupid bureaucracy (the Zion council had to be among the worst ideas the Wachowskis presented) and idle chatter of what should and shouldn't be done. This is the same result in Resurrections, and even worse we're treated to some comically bad moments of the machines that have turned good interacting with the humans that feel straight out of a George Lucas re-edit.
For all of its musings on forging a different kind of sequel, Resurrections is annoyingly unable to let go of its past. We're subjected to several clip shows from the past three films, all of which feel completely out of place and get downright annoying after awhile. I don't think this would be an issue if, like I bemoaned earlier, Resurrections had anything new up its sleeve to present. Wachowski is sticking to her guns that we all know this can't top the original, so let's give you some fan service callbacks to appease everyone and then just half-ass this new entry. These are the most frustrating kinds of films, where you have actual expectations for where the story could go and the ideas it could chase down only to see none of them come to fruition. The original film was steeped in the last gasp of twentieth century technology, with pay phones and computer hacking at the forefront of communication, travel, and connection. We now live in a world completely consumed by technology, and none of that comes to play this time around. This is probably the most disappointing aspect of Resurrections, in that for all of Wachowski's pontificating about art and impact and retreads that she didn't do anything to bring The Matrix into contemporary society. Isn't control and submission easier than ever now that we're so betrothed to our phones? Shouldn't the machines be able to maintain their power and even be able to show people the real world and the Matrix and push them towards a free will decision of a life of technology and control and image over a real one of suffering and rebellion? These are just simple ideas I've thrown out there, but even still they're more than anything Wachowski attempts, who seems content to avoid this altogether. She can huff and puff about her art no longer being hers and the trappings of Hollywood and success, but in the end she elects for car chases, explosions, and shootouts over the thought provoking ideas that truly made the original film so beloved. The Matrix Resurrections is ultimately not a retread or an assembly-line reboot, but it doesn't bring anything to the table itself either which makes it the most disappointing entry of all despite moments of occasional intrigue.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 28, 2021 21:34:53 GMT -5
The division of opinions in this thread is what I'm also seeing play out elsewhere. I haven't heard anyone say they flat out hated it but people are either really enjoying it or having a 'meh' reaction.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 29, 2021 2:51:20 GMT -5
SnoBorderZero had the chance to dickdown Jessica Henwick and missed out. His opinion can’t be trusted.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Dec 30, 2021 12:31:37 GMT -5
SnoBorderZero had the chance to dickdown Jessica Henwick and missed out. His opinion can’t be trusted. *Spends an hour writing a review to ignite discussion* Neverending:
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 30, 2021 12:35:55 GMT -5
SnoBorderZero: *Spends an hour writing a review to ignite discussion*
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SnoBorderZero: *Spends an hour writing a review to ignite discussion* Neverending: Yeah but who did you bang?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 30, 2021 20:42:58 GMT -5
I'm in the minority, in that I'm someone who actually enjoys the first two Matrix sequels and appreciates what they were trying to do, but for obvious reasons, was never sold on the idea of further films in the series...until the first trailer for this movie came out, and what a trailer it was. It was enough to "free my mind" to the possibility of a fourth Matrix movie and the resulting film, while not living up to that trailer, are still pretty good. I don't think I'm quite in a position yet to speak intelligently about everything this movie is doing (I feel like I need to see it again, which I'll happily do), but I definitely get the broad strokes here and I must say, I like enough of the swings this movie takes. Most of all in that department, there's the film's heavily meta First Act, which quite honestly might be my favorite part of the movie. It's Lana Wachowski cleverly commenting on the circumstances that led to the creation of this film in the first place, while also introducing the core theme of the story: Neo and Trinity's relationship. The fact that The Matrix Resurrections is such an intimate love story of sorts disguised as a big-budget blockbuster only feels appropriate and in keeping with the franchise. Plus, it's really that focus on the relationship that ultimately makes the movie work as well as it does. In that respect, the film almost feels like an act of defiance on Lana Wachowski's part, her own way of retaining control over her IP and taking it in directions that are challenging and intriguing. Yet, the movie also feels genuine in spite of it being an act of defiance in a certain way. To be honest, I liked the lower, more intimate stakes of this story because it really emphasized character and emotion, which in turn fueled my overall investment in it more than if it had just been another humans vs. machines war story. Not ALL the swings this movie takes work, though, but enough of them do that I felt Resurrections resulted in a worthwhile and fairly engaging experience in its own right. I can definitely see myself coming back to this one.
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Post by thebtskink on Dec 31, 2021 15:10:30 GMT -5
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