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Post by FShuttari on Oct 22, 2021 0:31:36 GMT -5
Dune - Review Thread
First and foremost, the film is a technical marvel. The set design and CGI work are both impeccable. The action sequences,and Hans Zimmer’s score all create a truly massive epic story. I'm still a bit in shock by this film... It's so damn good I forgot why film like this are so rare. This isn't just a movie, it's an entire world brought to life. See it in IMAX and not on HBO. This film deserves box office revenue and an audience to green lit a sequel. 10/10
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Post by 1godzillafan on Oct 22, 2021 0:51:23 GMT -5
It's fine.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Oct 22, 2021 22:28:23 GMT -5
Well, spoil it for me. Did they sit there for two and a half hours without taking a piss or did they just wait it out?
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 22, 2021 23:43:51 GMT -5
Enjoyed this a lot. Almost wish they just said "fuck it" and made a four hour movie to cover the whole book but I also realize that a financial impossibility. Anyway, really hope we at least get Part Two because I found this gripping.
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Post by donny on Oct 23, 2021 8:26:39 GMT -5
IMAX’d this bitch.
Hell of an experience. Doesn’t quite hit the visual highs of Blade Runner 2049, but it gets close from time to time. Like BR2049 though, you can’t help but get swept up in the whole affair. I need to give the score more time to resonate. I like what Zimmers doing, but could afford to listen to it again.
Though, I do suspect a lot of the ultimate success of this depends on waiting for the other shoe to drop with Part 2.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 24, 2021 23:43:50 GMT -5
Just got back. I haven't been this impressed with the production design of a movie for a long time.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 25, 2021 8:09:20 GMT -5
A few quick thoughts after seeing it:
- The script was excellent. It had lots of great setups, callbacks, and payoffs. It struck just the right balance with exposition, and told the story with clarity without seeming like hand-holding. The ideas and relationships were allowed room to develop and breath.
- The production design was off the hook, some of the best I've seen in recent years. In particular I thought the Ornithopters were amazing. As was the city of Arakeen. This movie had its own unique stamp on everything, and looked incredible.
- I love the score as well. It was intense in a way I don't remember hearing, and really got in your face. In a good way. I thought it was really unique.
- I love the way they built up the grandeur of the sandworms. It was very Jaws like at first, where you only catch glimpses here and there, building anticipation.
- The casting was spot on.
Overall, this turned out to be everything I wanted it to be.
10/10
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 25, 2021 10:56:03 GMT -5
My initial thoughts: this movie was great...if, y'know, you're really curious about the intricacies of the harvesting of a fictional substance and interested in not having a single emotion about anything that happens over the course of 2 1/2 hours.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 25, 2021 13:44:22 GMT -5
Every year, several movies are released that filmgoers eagerly circle their calendars for. From blockbusters to arthouse cinema, amongst the hundreds of films in the year there are certain ones, whether it's because of an actor or director or an intellectual property, that are must-sees that you absolutely cannot wait to witness. And then among those films, there is always one that's your most anticipated of them all. For me, that was Dune, the latest attempt at adapting Frank Herbert's landmark science fiction novel that's directed by one of my favorite directors in the game right now, Denis Villeneuve. Expectations for the film were sky high across the board, attracting viewers hungry for the next science fiction blockbuster along with those looking for the arthouse sensibilities that Villeneuve brings to his big budget projects. In the end, despite all of its effects and science fiction leanings, Dune is a cinematic experience that seems to belong to the period of classic Hollywood long ago: the epic. What once was an annual event (sometimes even on multiple occasions in one year) where Hollywood would release a prestige epic that would challenge for both awards and box office, now it's such a rarity to have one of these grand-scale films in a decade due to cost risks and the lengthy running times that generally accompany them. The days of David Lean feel very long ago indeed, but with what Villeneuve has managed to pull off with Dune it's hard to not long for more of the incredible epics of Doctor Zhivago and Lawrence of Arabia (both Lawrence and Dune were shot in Jordan) that were offered up so prevalently in the past. Dune is an epic cinematic experience in every sense of the term, offering astounding world building, richly detailed characters, and massive action sequences that put it among the greatest of all time. Like the great epics before it, Dune is many things across its long duration; it's action-packed, slowly methodical, vast in scope and scale, and mesmerizing to sit back and watch on a big screen. Denis Villeneuve's Dune is the adaptation the film world deserved, the only issue being how long we'll have to wait for the eagerly anticipated conclusion to the story.
The noble House Atreides is commissioned by the Emperor to oversee the pivotal planet Arrakis, a rough desert planet that is home to a native group of people called the Fremen and also the most pivotal substance in the universe: spice. Spice can be many things, from a source of power for ships to travel across space to a form of healing and vitality to help organisms live forever. Duke Leto (Oscar Isaac), head of the Atreides family, is to continue spice harvesting for the Emperor, but is beseeched by the Baron (Stellan Skarsgard) and his Harkonnen soldiers, forcing his son Paul (Timothee Chalamet) and wife Jessica (Rebecca Ferguson) to flee into the harsh desert. There is so much more to Dune than that basic plot summary, as we spend a great deal of time with several characters who are played by one of the largest casts ever assembled for a film that's not reducing them to mere cameos. One of the failings of David Lynch's Dune from 1984 was that it was unable to handle its exposition and world building in satisfactory manners. When you compare what Fellowship of the Ring does in its stunning opening prologue to the incessant babbling and politicking of Lynch's adaptation that inhabits the entire movie, it's clear that when putting a film of this magnitude on the big screen it's pivotal to draw the audience in without overwhelming them with too much chatter and not enough spectacle.
Villeneuve, fortunately, gets this very right where Lynch's version got so very wrong. The story is told simply, while at the same time not sacrificing the importance and massive scale on which this task for Paul and his family resides. Take the Fellowship example and compare it here. We quickly establish the importance of the ring, and the importance of spice. We are aware of the dangerous forces that are conspiring to take these elements for themselves and what it would mean for the world our characters inhabit. We meet our protagonists, who at first question their ability to succeed despite rising to the challenge in typical hero's journey fashion. The obstacles come, and our protagonist must face them. And this is in no way a discredit to Villeneuve and his team for dumbing anything down. On the contrary, we should be applauding them for taking material that can easily be made dense and unapproachable (like Lynch's version) and adapting it into something everyone can understand and grasp. When storytelling feels this simple, it means that the filmmakers have gone to painstaking measures to make it so.
In terms of defining Dune as a modern epic there's so much to absorb that in the greatest tradition of the classic epics, Dune is overwhelming in the best of ways. From the lush landscape photography of Jordan playing the role of Arrakis, to full-scale action sequences of exploding ships and swarming armies clashing, Villeneuve has delivered the kind of cinematic sensory overload that David Lean excelled in. Not only are these films not made often because of the costs and tremendous amount of work that goes into them, but there simply aren't many directors out there that can handle this sort of project effectively. A movie like Dune needs a director like Villeneuve, who is meticulous in everything from costume design to the practical effects work and has a vision for all of it. And it shows in the final product. It's no surprise to anyone who's seen Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 that Villeneuve can not only handle these visual effects heavy projects, but has an ability to present really clean, believable imagery in those effects shots. There's not a single frame that looks like a CGI afterthought, and you can bet that anything that can be accomplished "practically" (down to the modernized versions of miniatures and matte shots) is done in that fashion. This extends to the physical action on display as well, with some slickly choreographed hand-to-hand combat sequences that refreshingly aren't over edited like many of its contemporary peers in the science fiction and action genres. You get the feeling when watching Dune that not a single element has gone overlooked, that everything has been allotted the necessary amount of time and dedication to making it the best adaptation that it can be. Dune has shortcomings to be sure, but when reminding oneself of the alternatives in entertainment out there we are fortunate to have a movie like this indeed.
The fairest and most prevalent criticism of Dune has been that it's part one of a story that doesn't so much have an ending but just ends. And that's not incorrect at all. Dune is a long movie that while as captivating as it is certainly is an exhausting experience at the end of it all and one that doesn't offer a conclusion whatsoever to any of the events we've just witnessed. I can sympathize with the sentiment that sitting through such a long film to not close the story circle on practically anything can be frustrating and disappointing. But once part two (if I suppose I should say) is released and the films in the future can be viewed successively, these criticisms should practically vanish and we can instead reflect on what a great decision it was to not attempt cramming all of this into one film. David Lynch went down that road and look how that turned out. It seems like studios handling these lucrative franchises fall into either two molds of thinking: jam-pack it all into one overstuffed movie that feels rushed or stretch it out across three movies and have thin, meandering films as a result. In the end, Villeneuve and his team decided to do neither and find the happy medium of making Dune into two films: a true part one and a true part two. Instead of reflecting on the climax we didn't get in this film, we should examine the film that we did get in the first installment and all of the difficult boxes it checked off. Dune is truly a modern day epic, filled to the brim with every element of spectacle and wondrous storytelling that incited many of us to become so passionate about cinema in the first place. And when (if) part two does come out and it sticks the landing, instead of a non-ending to debate with this installment we'll all be discussing what an incredible cinematic achievement the one-two punch of Denis Villeneuve's Dune is.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 25, 2021 15:17:25 GMT -5
My initial thoughts: this movie was great...if, y'know, you're really curious about the intricacies of the harvesting of a fictional substance and interested in not having a single emotion about anything that happens over the course of 2 1/2 hours. I wonder if this will be to you what Joker was to me, at least in terms of taking shit around these parts.
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Post by IanTheCool on Oct 25, 2021 18:48:24 GMT -5
My initial thoughts: this movie was great...if, y'know, you're really curious about the intricacies of the harvesting of a fictional substance and interested in not having a single emotion about anything that happens over the course of 2 1/2 hours. I AM curious about that!
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Post by PhantomKnight on Oct 25, 2021 19:02:46 GMT -5
My initial thoughts: this movie was great...if, y'know, you're really curious about the intricacies of the harvesting of a fictional substance and interested in not having a single emotion about anything that happens over the course of 2 1/2 hours. I wonder if this will be to you what Joker was to me, at least in terms of taking shit around these parts. I'm already considering giving it another shot, but yeah...I honestly wasn't crazy about this film. It's a technical marvel, to be sure, but I found it so emotionally cold and distant and I couldn't get invested in anything. I don't think a second shot is going to fix that issue.
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Post by frankyt on Oct 26, 2021 11:08:20 GMT -5
Cinematic blue balls. I guess I had predicted a different end point for the middle of the book, next one will be extra exciting.
Loved it though, didn't feel like it was 2.5 hours honestly, fantastic cast, great production, excellent villains.
8/10 I can see where people say it's missing the emotional impact of some of the deaths, but just knowing the story I felt em quite a bit.
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Post by donny on Oct 26, 2021 14:07:43 GMT -5
Dune 2 baby.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 26, 2021 16:52:51 GMT -5
Now everyone knows how to correctly pronounce his name. You're welcome.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 26, 2021 17:46:58 GMT -5
Just had a 2nd viewing this afternoon. It rules. The fall of Arrakeen and Duncan Idaho's last stand are two of the most captivating scenes I've seen all year.
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Post by thebtskink on Oct 27, 2021 14:35:00 GMT -5
Sitting down for an IMAX now, managed to avoid spoilers.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 28, 2021 14:50:00 GMT -5
Dune(10/26/2021) The world of “Dune” is the brainchild of a science fiction writer named Frank Herbert beginning with one 1965 novel but since extended into a true multi-media empire by him and his heirs which includes movies, TV programing, video games, board games, and comic books and has long walked an interesting line between being just accessible enough to gain mainstream interest while also being some deeply nerdy shit that requires a level of dedication from its consumers than is really practical. Personally my engagement with the franchise has been a bit rocky. I didn’t come to it from the book, which I tried reading in high school but gave up on about half way through, nor did it come from the 1984 David Lynch directed film which I’m not sure I’ve ever seen in its entirety either. Instead the main thing that got me into the world of Dune was the three-part Sci-Fi channel miniseries that ran around the year 2000. I don’t think I’ve watched that adaptation since then and I have a strong hunch that it doesn’t hold up at all either technologically or in terms of basic filmmaking but it did have the kind of running time that allowed it to breath in a way that Lynch’s exposition-fest did not and it also didn’t have Sting in a speedo. So, I know the basic story of the first Dune book and I’m aware of some of its more iconic elements like Spice, Sandworms, and Hunter-Seekers but the elaborate side details like the “Spacer’s guild” and the “Bene Gesserit” are hazy to me. However I think I and the culture caught up with Dune a bit; the central story is not unlike Avatar and “Game of Thrones” has trained us all in the ways of keeping track of fictional dynasties and “houses” and the time seems right for someone to finally make a definitive film version and that is what Denis Villeneuve has set out to do with his new adaptation of Dune.
This film adaptation only covers the first half of Herbert’s “Dune” with the rest intended to be covered by a sequel we’ll hopefully see in the next couple of years. At the film’s center is Paul Atreides (Timothée Chalamet), the heir to a space dynasty and begins the story right as the House Atreides has been asked to take over the desert planet Arrakis from the House Harkonnen, who had been ruling there for a long time. Arrakis is the home of a substance called the spice melange which is necessary for interstellar travel and basically makes the galaxy run. Paul’s father Duke Leto Atreides (Oscar Isaac) has accepted this position but realizes that the transition of power on this planet will be an astoundingly difficult undertaking. The turn of events has also sparked in Paul a series of “visions,” partly as a result of him having received semi-mystical training from his mother Lady Jessica (Rebecca Ferguson), who is a member of the Bene Gesserit, which is a quasi-religious order that seeks to influence the course of events in the galaxy. Indeed it quickly becomes clear to the viewer that the Atreides are walking into a trap set up by the (off screen) Galactic Emperor and the House Harkonnen head Baron Vladimir Harkonnen (Stellan Skarsgård) and his nephew Glossu Rabban (Dave Bautista).
Herbert’s “Dune” is in many ways something of a hybrid between old pulpy notions of science fiction and more complex notions of global realpolitik. On one hand this galaxy is a world of extremes: the Harkonnens are evil on levels that would make Darth Vader blush, Arrakis’ flora and fauna are off the charts in their deadliness, and heroes like Duncan Idaho (played here by Jason Momoa) are made to be these legendarily competent warriors. So on one level we’re given a world of good and evil and derring-do, but on the other hand we have this complex universe with outlandishly complex schemes that seemingly complicate all of this. On top of that it really doesn’t take a lot of squinting to see this all as an allegory for highly prescient ideas of colonialism and energy shortages: Arrakis is clearly a stand in for the Middle East, Spice Melange is basically oil, and as the story goes on Paul Atreides is not unlike T.E. Lawrence. It’s kind of a mix of ideas that’s certainly indebted to some familiar “hero’s journey” tropes but often presents them in slightly different ways even if they’ll still ultimately seem kind of familiar to people raised on later works like Star Wars and Avatar.
So there’s definitely some interesting stuff to work with here but does Villeneuve do the material justice? Well, that’s a little hard to tell at this point. Previous attempts to adapt this material have generally suffered less from misunderstanding the source material and more from technical limitations and aesthetic choices that did not really age gracefully. I think this adaptation might be a bit more future-proofed simply from having a huge budget to work with but that doesn’t necessarily mean I loved everything here. For one thing I found Greig Fraser’s cinematography to be a bit too dark throughout, especially considering that much of the film is supposed to be set on a planet with a raging hot sun. A central battle scene in particular struck me as suffering from this and I often found myself having trouble telling who was on which side in that sequence. The film’s production design and world-building did impress me more but perhaps not to the point of being absolutely blown away by its creativity, of course that’s in part because this material has been adapted before in various mediums and this isn’t exactly veering radically away from what we’ve seen before. I also can’t say that the film’s occasional action scenes were really much more than functional and weren’t exactly what you’d call “next level shit.”
All that having been said, I do think the film’s screenplay by Villeneuve, Jon Spaihts, and Eric Roth does do a pretty good job of streamlining this story and not getting too distracted by factions and universe elements that aren’t immediately impactful on this first half of the first book while also offering enough hints of the greater world to not make the whole thing feel dumbed down. I would also say that the actors here do a lot to define these characters in a way that many previous adaptations didn’t. The presence of people like Josh Brolin, Jason Momoa, and Stephen Henderson help make side characters who could have blended together feel more distinct while people like Stellan Skarsgård and Dave Bautista are given some real space to ham it up in a good way as villains. That said I have slightly more mixed feelings about some of the primary actors. Timothée Chalamet finally makes Paul Atreides seem youthful… perhaps not youthful enough to still have a mother as young as Rebecca Ferguson, but still he seems more like a pampered prince than previous attempts at the character which cast him more with his future as a resistance leader in mind than where he starts, but I’m also not sure I ever quite found myself attached to his character and found him to be a bit too moody for my tastes. I got even less out of Ferguson and felt her character kind of got lost in the story despite her being fairly central to the movie in terms of screen time.
Which brings me back to whether or not this is a good movie and the answer is “of course it is” but the bigger question is whether it’s a great or truly noteworthy film and that is in many ways a question I don’t entirely feel ready to answer because in many ways this is only half of a movie. The stopping point Villeneuve choses to end this on feels less like a climactic point for a single movie and more like the spot you’d put an intermission at if making a single five hour epic movie and in many ways the movie we have feels like a setup to a payoff we won’t be getting for two years. Warner Brothers opted for a similar tactic with their adaptation of Stephen King’s It a few years ago but that first movie had more of a natural ending point than this, a movie that in its basic structural bones feels incomplete. As of this writing it sounds like the studio has indeed greenlit Dune: Part 2, but imagine if they hadn’t, it would have completely wrecked this movie’s legacy right out of the gate. So we’ll see in two years if Villeneuve sticks the landing and the payoff makes all the setup worth it. I’m excited for that but at the same time there are shortcomings to this first part beyond its structure. I’ve been a bit of a Villeneuve skeptic in general having straight up disliked Prisoners and Enemy and having strong reservations about Sicario and while I liked Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 I probably liked both of them something like 20% less than the consensus and I think that pattern holds here. I might even view it as a bit of a step down from that Blade Runner sequel, which in many ways had the harder task (making a follow-up to a movie people actually like) and in many ways what he did with that movie surprised me more with its ingenuity. But that’s enough looking this gift horse in the mouth, there’s a lot to like here, it’s definitely worth seeing, and I look forward to its second half. ***1/2 out of Five (pending Part 2)
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Post by Jibbs on Oct 29, 2021 19:16:10 GMT -5
I was surprised the movie didn't end with his new name. That would have worked well. Especially with all of the mouse sightings.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Nov 22, 2021 20:56:59 GMT -5
Trust me, I feel kind of dirty myself just putting in my rating here. But I have to be completely honest and say that this movie simply didn't really work for me. It's a heartbreaker, too, because ever since Prisoners, I've happily been onboard the Denis Villenueve train, but every train hits bumpy tracks eventually. It's not so much that I think this movie is "bad", it's more that it...just didn't connect with me. On a technical level, this film is undeniably immaculately-crafted, with painstaking thought put into the creation and translation of this entire world from Frank Herbert's source material onto the big screen. But therein may lie a bit of the issue for me -- I walked into this thing fresh, having had no previous exposure to the Dune lore or story whatsoever. And while I could follow the overall story beats and plot progression just fine, watching this movie still felt akin to taking a History or French test without having studied. Look, there's no problems with the worldbuilding, the visual effects, the sound design or what have you -- but rather with the stiff storytelling and the even stiffer acting. If you're somebody who's REALLY curious about the intricacies of the harvesting of a fictional substance and interested in not having a single emotion about anything that happens over the course of 2 1/2 hours, well, good news: this is the movie for you! I understand that this film is only adapting the first half of the book, so it's not exactly going to be a complete story, but that doesn't excuse the lack of narrative tension here. Nor does it excuse the rather monotonous, one-note, emotionless style of acting that just left me feeling cold for a lot of the movie. It really was hard for me to come to give two shits about any of the characters here, particularly Paul, who honestly felt rather bland to me and no different from a bunch of the other "chosen ones" or similar figures we've seen in these types of stories. Worldbuilding and everything is fine, especially for something like this, but when your movie starts to get weighed down by all of that, especially at the cost of developing truly compelling characters, then that's when it becomes a problem. And, unfortunately, Dune fell victim to that trap for me. It's a technical marvel, to be sure, but also a cold and distant piece of storytelling -- much to its detriment.
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Post by IanTheCool on Nov 22, 2021 21:07:48 GMT -5
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