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Post by Neverending on Oct 7, 2021 3:00:21 GMT -5
FShuttari will spoil the movie in a week. In the meantime…. Casino Royale is the best Daniel Craig movie. I’ll die on that hill. But wow — this was certainly something. It’s far from perfect. Rami Maleck is a mediocre villain. You could swap him with the dude from World Is Not Enough and it wouldn’t make a difference. The plot is largely generic and didn’t really justify the nearly 3 hour running time. There’s some peculiar Covid 19 parallels, but unless I’ve gone crazy, I’m pretty sure this movie has the same plot as Mission Impossible II. That all aside, this movie is certainly something. Daniel Craig’s tenure as Bond was certainly interesting to say the least. They took Bond on some interesting backroads. It also ultimately strayed wildly from its Jason Bourne / Jack Bauer influences. As much as I would love to welcome a return to the episodic adventures of 007, I don’t know how the fuck you make a follow up to this movie. If this were the last James Bond I think I’d be okay with that. In spite of all its faults, this incarnation of the character ended in a poignant way unlike Chris Nolan’s Batman trilogy. Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan are my Bond’s but I tip my hat to Daniel Craig. Job well done.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Oct 7, 2021 20:17:54 GMT -5
This is the most I've enjoyed a Bond movie since The World is Not Enough.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 7, 2021 20:58:53 GMT -5
Fuck this noise. I'll fully admit that this is my inner fanboy talking but that was my main reaction leaving the theater. Which is a shame because I mostly enjoyed the movie. Yeah, Rami Malek is terrible and his villain largely a waste, yeah the emotional core of the story is harmed by Madeleine Swann not being believable as the love of Bond's life, and yes, Felix dying annoyed the shit out of me.
But I also thought the movie looked great, the action was consistently high quality, the humour was landing, and most of the characters (new and old) were pretty likable. But then we got to the ending and my enthusiasm plummeted faster than Bond thrown out of the plane in Moonraker. Again, part of this is fanboyism. I don't want to see James Bond die. But I also don't think this movie earns that moment at all. It's so ever-wrought and melodramatic to the point of feeling like self-important ego-stroking. And here the emotional failings of the story become hard to ignore. If this was for Vesper or Tracy than MAYBE it would work, but Madeleine? No, I'm not feeling it at all. And really, of all the Bond villains to succeed in killing James it's Raimi Malek's boring ass whose name I already can't remember? I do at least feel my OHMSS video has been vindicated.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 8, 2021 1:37:34 GMT -5
Wow, they sure as hell went for it, didn’t they?
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 8, 2021 2:08:27 GMT -5
I'm back at my computer typing before going to bed. I think this is going to be a movie that people will be discussing for a while but here are my initial thoughts from my 7 minute drive home. If you haven't seen it, please don't read the spoilers. I get what the people behind the scenes were trying to do. They wanted to make this a final chapter to the Craig era and they definitely closed the book in the one sure fire way to do it.
But Bond is bigger than Daniel Craig. He's bigger than Cary Fukunaga and the people who wrote this. He's bigger than the creative decisions that went into this movie. That's why it feels to me that the people behind the wheel thought they had full license (no pun) to do something completely different. I thought it was ballsy to kill Felix. I thought it was trying a little too hard and was even unwise that they killed Blofeld. But to kill Bond, wow. I think my biggest problem was the ego that went into that decision. It felt like people wanted to wow and shock audiences and thought that they could really turn a franchise on its head. I'm surprised Broccoli and Wilson even signed off on it. It feels like all those things they did to be different were done in spite of the franchise while not really adding anything to it. I dunno, I wasn't impressed by it. James Bond has done fine for 60 years. Sure it needed some tweaks along the way but this time it just felt like people wanted to take an axe to it just because they could.
I'm sure there will be some people who disagree, like I said I think this will be a big discussion point down the road so who knows, maybe I'm in the minority on this one.
As for the movie, well I'll get into that later. I thought it was more bland than anything, nothing hugely memorable one way or the other aside from what they decided to do with the characters. I'd be interested to see how you Bond fans react.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 8, 2021 3:36:47 GMT -5
I do at least feel my OHMSS video has been vindicated. Wow, they sure as hell went for it, didn’t they? “I can’t wait for all the revisionist history towards Quantum of Solace.” — Dracula
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Post by donny on Oct 8, 2021 7:53:29 GMT -5
Jesus, I have to sit through nearly 3 hours for some big shock, which I sort of have a feeling of what it is.
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Post by frankyt on Oct 8, 2021 8:19:58 GMT -5
Yea only showing we can make is an 8pm Dolby, gonna be there until at least 11.
I'm not complaining.... Yet.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 8, 2021 13:07:36 GMT -5
I'm the curmudgeon of the boards so here's my gripe from last night.
Considering how this was my second theater visit since December 2019 I had mostly forgotten about the little annoyances that can really start to irk me after a while. First, we had 27 total minutes of previews. How have we as a society not made this an issue to protest? 27 minutes on top of a 2 hour 45 minute movie. We're getting into Godfather II territory now. That's like 9 previews. We need to start a group, a movement saying enough is enough. 3 tops then roll feature. That's it. You have the internet to advertise, use it.
Then a guy comes and sits right next to me at about the 7th preview so he's already technically late. Weren't they blocking off every other seat? Well I wasn't going to complain, I'm vaccinated. But then this guys is carrying a big paper grocery bag with him, the one you get at Target. He proceeds to pull out three clear tupperwares full of food and a glass bottle that I think might have been sparkling water. Wtf? Don't they have a policy of no outside food? Normally I wouldn't care but this guy stacks the food and starts preparing himself a fucking banquet that he works through for about an hour, picking one up, scooping it out, snapping it back closed, getting the other one, mixing stuff. It's like I was on some hidden camera show and they were trying to get me to blow my top.
Anyways, still on the fence about the movie itself. Gonna have to wait a few days for the rest of you guys to watch it.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 8, 2021 13:49:23 GMT -5
After tying the time in years for longest gap between Bond films due to the coronavirus, Daniel Craig's final outing as James Bond is finally here in No Time to Die. Craig's tenure as Bond has largely been defined as the franchise's much needed jolt back to life after the dismal Die Another Day (in my opinion the worst of the entire franchise) and with updating the character to the 21st century. The gadgets are still there, as are the beautiful women, exotic locales, and villains, but watching Casino Royale you could sense a shift into the more grounded (and more progressive) territory that MGM was pivoting their greatest intellectual property towards. It's been a huge success, with Craig being widely praised as the best Bond since Sean Connery and his top films, Casino Royale and Skyfall, ranking at the top of the franchise's offerings alongside From Russia with Love and Goldfinger. But as all Bond aficionados know, no one stays in the role forever, and with Craig signaling that this would be his last time playing the iconic role, anticipation for No Time to Die was very high indeed. And while you can certainly applaud director Cary Joji Fukunaga (the first American director of the franchise) and the producers for having Craig depart in what will likely go down as the most controversial Bond since On Her Majesty's Secret Service, not all of the bold decisions they elect to go with work, and ultimately what feels like a proper send off for Craig becomes encumbered by the lengthy running time and a villain that can't stand toe-to-toe with Bond whatsoever. I hate to call this the Last Jedi of the Craig-era, but this is going to be a very polarizing film especially amongst Bond fans and may leave plenty wishing that Spectre had been the farewell tour, not this one.
After beginning with a flashback cold opening (another first for the franchise) that's a pretty obvious omen for what's to come later, we get to James Bond (Daniel Craig) retired in Italy with Madeleine (Lea Seydoux), looking to spend the rest of his days in peace. This peace is of course brusquely interrupted when Spectre attacks him, and we flash forward another five years to find that a bioweapon capable of releasing a virus that targets specific DNA is stolen from a London laboratory. Bond springs back into action for the sort of "final rodeo" we've grown accustomed to, but there are a few changes along the way. First off, there's a new 007 (Lashana Lynch) who offers up some coy remarks and fun lines towards her predecessor but ultimately just feels shoehorned into the mix and doesn't offer much. Felix Leiter (Jeffrey Wright) is also back and recruits Bond to track the scientist who helped this new organization steal the bioweapon, but his role is brief and controversial as well. For the first half of the film, No Time to Die largely works, offering up the fun action sequences and globetrotting one has come to expect from the series. The Craig era films have certainly nailed down the winks at the audience, knowing how to deliver the franchise tropes we expect but coming up with creative and playful ways of doing it. No Time to Die is no exception, and for all the bold decisions that don't ultimately work you can tell that the filmmakers have a great appreciation for what's been laid before them.
Where the movie stops working is in the second half, when the villain Lyutsifer Safin (Rami Malek) comes into play. He's using the bioweapon to enact revenge on Spectre, who used a chemical attack to kill his parents when he was young and also badly scar his face. He's supposedly operating as a sort of Zen-like figure, basking in an actual Zen garden, sitting on a tatami mat, and drinking green tea, but his actions of selling this weapon to the highest bidder contradict this of course. But it is an odd goal, and one that doesn't seem to really line up with anything. This isn't a villain on some sort of misguided "peace creating with the wrong intention" sort of mission, but just a bland and poorly defined one. There have far more forgettable villains in the franchise than memorable ones, but Safin is worse because he just doesn't have any logic behind his actions at all. Malek attempts to play the character as this imposingly quiet madman, but fails to both intrigue or frighten and also comes into the action far too late to have much of an impact by the time he and Bond come face-to-face. It all sets up a third act that really stumbles, succumbing to its own reliance on its contrived bioweapon rules that feel as hastily slapped together as Bond's final act of selflessness. For an era that's been defined as being one of innovation and modernity, No Time to Die feels like it's lacking in originality and tries to stuff several elements into its near three hour running time without either breaking the mold or giving us a farewell to these characters. It's not the excitingly fresh appeal of Casino Royale. It's not the character study of Skyfall. It's not even the showdown with a worthy adversary of Spectre. Ultimately, No Time to Die will go down as perhaps the boldest Bond film ever for the choices it makes, but that's a bit of a misnomer because the film really doesn't offer a whole lot we haven't seen done better plenty of times in the long-running franchise outside of its ending. This is James Bond, and there have been plenty of mediocre and even downright bad entries, and among them No Time to Die is fine enough and probably even better. But for the Daniel Craig era, this is a disappointing and lackluster end for the actor who deserved so much better.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Oct 8, 2021 13:50:02 GMT -5
Sorry for the short review (not my best work) but I've got to hop on a plane in an hour and needed to write this up fast.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 8, 2021 14:26:58 GMT -5
Sorry for the short review (not my best work) but I've got to hop on a plane in an hour and needed to write this up fast. You did better than I did Also, between this and Bohemian Rhapsody, does Rami Malek actually suck?
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Post by frankyt on Oct 8, 2021 14:28:36 GMT -5
Yes. Goodness gracious yes. He's horrible. Mr robo only worked because he was supposed to be like a low functioning guy on the spectrum, little did we know that's just Malek as a human.
The little things is an egregious example of his acting. It's atrocious.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 8, 2021 18:39:33 GMT -5
I'm the curmudgeon of the boards so here's my gripe from last night. Considering how this was my second theater visit since December 2019 I had mostly forgotten about the little annoyances that can really start to irk me after a while. First, we had 27 total minutes of previews. How have we as a society not made this an issue to protest? 27 minutes on top of a 2 hour 45 minute movie. We're getting into Godfather II territory now. That's like 9 previews. We need to start a group, a movement saying enough is enough. 3 tops then roll feature. That's it. You have the internet to advertise, use it. Then a guy comes and sits right next to me at about the 7th preview so he's already technically late. Weren't they blocking off every other seat? Well I wasn't going to complain, I'm vaccinated. But then this guys is carrying a big paper grocery bag with him, the one you get at Target. He proceeds to pull out three clear tupperwares full of food and a glass bottle that I think might have been sparkling water. Wtf? Don't they have a policy of no outside food? Normally I wouldn't care but this guy stacks the food and starts preparing himself a fucking banquet that he works through for about an hour, picking one up, scooping it out, snapping it back closed, getting the other one, mixing stuff. It's like I was on some hidden camera show and they were trying to get me to blow my top. Anyways, still on the fence about the movie itself. Gonna have to wait a few days for the rest of you guys to watch it. lol
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Post by Neverending on Oct 8, 2021 18:40:14 GMT -5
Sorry for the short review (not my best work) but I've got to hop on a plane in an hour and needed to write this up fast. I guess your work on Hawkeye is complete.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 8, 2021 18:52:29 GMT -5
Will write in more detail later but... I don't know, at this point the Daniel Craig era has pretty much defeated me, I'm not sure I can really be surprised or angry at this anymore I'm just kind of glad it's definitively over and they can move on to another era already, hopefully one that will be more to my liking.
As for the movie itself, eh, it's pretty well made. It's too long, but reasonably well paced despite that. The action scenes mostly worked for me and it's well shot and has some good production values on display and finds some good locations. On the not so good side everything about the villain and his motivations was complete nonsense (did I miss something or did they just not bother to explain why he wanted to kill everyone?).
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 8, 2021 19:15:01 GMT -5
Will write in more detail later but... I don't know, at this point the Daniel Craig era has pretty much defeated me, I'm not sure I can really be surprised or angry at this anymore I'm just kind of glad it's definitively over and they can move on to another era already, hopefully one that will be more to my liking.
As for the movie itself, eh, it's pretty well made. It's too long, but reasonably well paced despite that. The action scenes mostly worked for me and it's well shot and has some good production values on display and finds some good locations. On the not so good side everything about the villain and his motivations was complete nonsense (did I miss something or did they just not bother to explain why he wanted to kill everyone?). You're not wrong, I was thinking the same thing. There's no connection between him wanting revenge on SPECTRE and wanting to kill everyone else.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 8, 2021 19:19:49 GMT -5
Will write in more detail later but... I don't know, at this point the Daniel Craig era has pretty much defeated me, I'm not sure I can really be surprised or angry at this anymore I'm just kind of glad it's definitively over and they can move on to another era already, hopefully one that will be more to my liking.
As for the movie itself, eh, it's pretty well made. It's too long, but reasonably well paced despite that. The action scenes mostly worked for me and it's well shot and has some good production values on display and finds some good locations. On the not so good side everything about the villain and his motivations was complete nonsense (did I miss something or did they just not bother to explain why he wanted to kill everyone?). You're not wrong, I was thinking the same thing. There's no connection between him wanting revenge on SPECTRE and wanting to kill everyone else. The intention seems to be a Drax/Stromberg-esque true believer in building a new world through genocide type deal, but it doesn't really translate.
Just another way Moonraker proves the superior Bond film.
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 8, 2021 19:20:54 GMT -5
Several beers are no doubt fueling this, but this ending can suck my dick.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 8, 2021 19:24:00 GMT -5
Several beers are no doubt fueling this, but this ending can suck my dick. Legit laughed.
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Post by Doomsday on Oct 8, 2021 19:25:38 GMT -5
You're not wrong, I was thinking the same thing. There's no connection between him wanting revenge on SPECTRE and wanting to kill everyone else. The intention seems to be a Drax/Stromberg-esque true believer in building a new world through genocide type deal, but it doesn't really translate.
Just another way Moonraker proves the superior Bond film. After the podcast and this movie, I'm bumping three movies to the top of the re-watch list: 1) On Her Majesty's Secret Service, not because I dislike it because I certainly enjoy it, I just owe it a rewatch 2) Moonraker, just because 3) The World Is Not Enough, to hopefully gain a new perspective
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Post by PG Cooper on Oct 8, 2021 19:28:38 GMT -5
The intention seems to be a Drax/Stromberg-esque true believer in building a new world through genocide type deal, but it doesn't really translate.
Just another way Moonraker proves the superior Bond film. After the podcast and this movie, I'm bumping three movies to the top of the re-watch list: 1) On Her Majesty's Secret Service, not because I dislike it because I certainly enjoy it, I just owe it a rewatch 2) Moonraker, just because 3) The World Is Not Enough, to hopefully gain a new perspective I've been itching to rewatch Tomorrow Never Dies. No particularly reason, I just think it's good.
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Post by Neverending on Oct 8, 2021 19:40:47 GMT -5
After the podcast and this movie, I'm bumping three movies to the top of the re-watch list: 1) On Her Majesty's Secret Service, not because I dislike it because I certainly enjoy it, I just owe it a rewatch 2) Moonraker, just because 3) The World Is Not Enough, to hopefully gain a new perspective Guys. Guys. Just watch Mission: Impossible II. It’s the same movie except Tom Cruise…… climbs a mountain.
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Post by Dracula on Oct 8, 2021 20:15:56 GMT -5
After the podcast and this movie, I'm bumping three movies to the top of the re-watch list: 1) On Her Majesty's Secret Service, not because I dislike it because I certainly enjoy it, I just owe it a rewatch 2) Moonraker, just because 3) The World Is Not Enough, to hopefully gain a new perspective Guys. Guys. Just watch Mission: Impossible II. It’s the same movie except Tom Cruise…… climbs a mountain. The Chimera virus didn't target individuals or families or ethnic groups, it was mostly just notable for having a dormant period before it went into effect. This particular virus sounded more like a mix of FoxDie from Metal Gear Solid and the titular virus from the PS1 game Syphon Filter...
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Post by Neverending on Oct 8, 2021 20:32:23 GMT -5
Guys. Guys. Just watch Mission: Impossible II. It’s the same movie except Tom Cruise…… climbs a mountain. The Chimera virus didn't target individuals or families or ethnic groups, it was mostly just notable for having a dormant period before it went into effect. This particular virus sounded more like a mix of FoxDie from Metal Gear Solid and the titular virus from the PS1 game Syphon Filter... Bro. It’s a movie about two dudes fighting over pussy. And there’s a virus. It’s the same movie.
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