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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 13:44:31 GMT -5
They made the evil president a Democrat? Really? I generally don't like movies that pretend political parties don't exist, but this might have been one that should have gone down that route.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 13:46:17 GMT -5
In case you weren’t aware, Devlin was fired quickly after shooting. It went through months of post basically director-less at the hands of Jerry Bruckheimer before they reshot something like 60 pages of the damn thing. So what you’re watching now is the cut that was deemed less shitty than what they originally had. I was reading something about that on Wikipedia. There is a certain irony to Bruckheimer pushing his former rival Dean Develin around.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 13:47:40 GMT -5
The world's dumbest scientist just got sucked out of another airlock after shooting out a window after fist-fighting Gerard Butler.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 13:50:28 GMT -5
Jim Sturgess just determined that Ed Harris is the real bad guy but is also taking it as gospel that "the president's biometrics are the code."
I find the secret service protocols in this suspect.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 13:51:00 GMT -5
Tornados in Mumbai
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 13:56:19 GMT -5
It's interesting that The Fast and the Furious has a lot more faith in its audience's knowledge of geography than Devilin/Emmerich do. In F9 they just offhandedly mention Tbilisi and expect you to know they're in Georgia while this movie goes to great lengths to give its audiences establishing shots of St. Basil's Cathedral but then still puts title cards on screen so you know you're in "Moscow, Russia"
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 13:56:51 GMT -5
That car chase was... decidedly sub-par despite a theoretically amusing concept.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 14:01:09 GMT -5
Ed Harris is right that "preemptive strike" might be a more accurate description for his evil scheme than genocide given that genocide is generally a bit more targeted. Either way he probably still deserved to be impulsively punched by Jim Sturgess
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 14:02:41 GMT -5
Dubai is in the process of being swept up in a tsunami but Gerard Butler is still taking the time to have a tearful goodbye with Jim Sturgess... sorry Dubai residents
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 14:05:53 GMT -5
These scenes with Gerard Butler's daughter are the only ones I 100% know were reshot because the actress playing the mother was re-cast... they're quite bad, maybe the reshoots are the problem here. #ReleaseTheDevelinCut
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 14:07:43 GMT -5
And Gerard Butler heroically pulls the lever he needs to pull before the arbitrary time limit in order to save the day.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 14:10:35 GMT -5
Dutch Boy destroyed. Not sure what they're planning to do about the Climate Change now but, whatever.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 14:11:44 GMT -5
This Space Shuttle seems surprisingly manuverable.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 14:13:47 GMT -5
Why are the people of the world cheering these Dutch Boy commanders as they land? I would think they would be very pissed at them what with the catastrophic failures that killed all those people which they failed to stop.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 14:14:59 GMT -5
They're rebuilding this thing?!!!!
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 10, 2021 14:40:47 GMT -5
These scenes with Gerard Butler's daughter are the only ones I 100% know were reshot because the actress playing the mother was re-cast... they're quite bad, maybe the reshoots are the problem here. #ReleaseTheDevelinCut The mother was originally the main actress from Vikings. And yeah they had another kid too, both of them were much, much larger roles. But no, if there's a cut of anything that we definitely do not need it's the Geostorm Devlin Cut.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 14:45:18 GMT -5
Okay... that was... actually worse than I thought it would be. I was expecting this to just be a regular Roland Emmerich movie but with a slightly stupider concept to explain why all the destruction was going on but the movie I got was... fundamentally strange and yet not quite strange enough to really work as camp. I will give Dean Develin this, he seems to basically be in command of the fundamentals of filmmaking. The blocking, production values, and pacing here are about on par with what you'd expect from a Hollywood blockbuster and while I don't exactly like everyone in the cast they seem to mostly be doing what they can with the material given. The movie isn't intrinsically incompetent. I also don't think the basic premise with the weather altering satellites isn't a completely bad one and that something fun could have come out of that which would have been a little more interesting than the The Day After Tomorrow/2012 approach of "disasters are happening for reasons, lets move on." However, making a movie this silly in a way that's essentially straightforward takes a very particular kind of calibration. For whatever reason Emmerich seemed to be able to pull this off and Develin was not, and that's in part because Emmerich seems to actually understand that what he makes is destruction porn. His plots are simple because he wants to get them out of the way so he can give people the CGI wrecks they paid for, not really my kind of thing, but you can respect the hustle. Develin by contrast seems a lot less interested in destroying cities than he is in actually giving his protagonists a conspiracy to foil, which would have been an alright idea if he gave them politics or science that was even worth investing their interest in a little bit but he doesn't, he gives us inane bullshit. It's a movie that often feels like it falls on the same screenwriting formulas we're used to but its in service to this batshit concept and its playing out in ways that are straightforwardly ridiculous. On some level everyone involved should know this is nuts but they don't really betray that they're in on the joke. I think Develin knows that the movies he made in the past were also nonsense but I don't think he has Emmerich's knowledge of how far he can turn up the cheese factor without going too far... because he definitely goes too far here but not so far that it comes out the other side as something memorable or campy. It's like a project that Hollywood put on autopilot and expected to have make itself but then when they came back the next day to check on it something had gone horribly wrong... but instead of just embracing the mess they tried to save it in rather misguided ways. I don't recommend it. * out of Five
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 10, 2021 14:46:19 GMT -5
And in the original cut there was this terrible, terrible, unfunny scene where Gerard turns his back on a monitor as soon as Ed Harris and Co. pop up and Gerard says 'who are the yahoos in Washington we have to work with?' and Harris goes 'I guess I would be the head yahoo' and Gerard hangs his head in embarrassment. Yep, that thing is definitely getting cut right?
Nope, they kept it. Not only did they keep it, they reshot it with the exact same dialogue and reactions.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 14:47:13 GMT -5
These scenes with Gerard Butler's daughter are the only ones I 100% know were reshot because the actress playing the mother was re-cast... they're quite bad, maybe the reshoots are the problem here. #ReleaseTheDevelinCut The mother was originally the main actress from Vikings. And yeah they had another kid too, both of them were much, much larger roles. But no, if there's a cut of anything that we definitely do not need it's the Geostorm Devlin Cut. I feel like they could have just 100% cut the daughter out of it without losing a beat and just ended up with one less ridiculously cliched element. Probably would have been easier than reshoots.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 10, 2021 14:58:19 GMT -5
It's like a project that Hollywood put on autopilot and expected to have make itself but then when they came back the next day to check on it something had gone horribly wrong... but instead of just embracing the mess they tried to save it in rather misguided ways. I don't recommend it. You hit the nail on the head. It's actually an interesting exercise in studio involvement in trying to salvage something. We often hear of how a studio will take away a project from a filmmaker like Solo or how they'll have their way with something after the fact like Magnificent Ambersons. What you don't hear about as much is when a studio comes in to try to put a train wreck back together as best they can while trying to recoup as much of their investment as possible. I don't know every exact detail but Warner Bros. thought the best course of action after the movie received its initial cut was to get a new crew and plow through as best they could even by investing millions more into it to get much of it reshot. Naturally it didn't pay off any almost anyone who has seen either cut could have told them that it wouldn't but I wouldn't blame anyone for trying to make do with a crummy product. I think the blame goes to the folks who greenlit this thing in the first place. A genre that's been played out for about a decade starring a guy who has never been the most consistent movie star to say the very least, what could go wrong?
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 10, 2021 15:12:05 GMT -5
Okay, speaking of weird Geostorm-related things...I don't expect Doomsday to have insight into this one because it relates more to the movie's trailer, but:
I remember in the months leading up to the movie coming out in October 2017, the trailer was in front of quite a few movies I saw. This one right here, specifically:
So, at 1:47/1:48 in the trailer, there's a shot of Abbie Cornish's character pulling her gun on the President as she and Sturgess's character have to "kidnap" him. You can clearly see that she's holding a gun, right? Yeah. A very obvious thing, and that was so the first few times I saw the trailer. Well, at some point -- and I swear I'm not making this up -- when I saw this trailer at my local AMC maybe on two or three different occasions, that gun completely disappeared from the shot, but Cornish's hands were still held out in that stance so it looked like she was pointing an imaginary gun at the President. The first time I saw it, I laughed. The second time, I was like, "Wuuuuut...?" and now the gun is where it's supposed to be in the shot, but I'm serious -- there were a couple of times when the trailer played where it looked like she was holding an invisible gun. Was that Doomsday just fucking around with this movie even more?
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 15:39:56 GMT -5
Okay, speaking of weird Geostorm-related things...I don't expect Doomsday to have insight into this one because it relates more to the movie's trailer, but:
I remember in the months leading up to the movie coming out in October 2017, the trailer was in front of quite a few movies I saw. This one right here, specifically:
So, at 1:47/1:48 in the trailer, there's a shot of Abbie Cornish's character pulling her gun on the President as she and Sturgess's character have to "kidnap" him. You can clearly see that she's holding a gun, right? Yeah. A very obvious thing, and that was so the first few times I saw the trailer. Well, at some point -- and I swear I'm not making this up -- when I saw this trailer at my local AMC maybe on two or three different occasions, that gun completely disappeared from the shot, but Cornish's hands were still held out in that stance so it looked like she was pointing an imaginary gun at the President. The first time I saw it, I laughed. The second time, I was like, "Wuuuuut...?" and now the gun is where it's supposed to be in the shot, but I'm serious -- there were a couple of times when the trailer played where it looked like she was holding an invisible gun. Was that Doomsday just fucking around with this movie even more? If I had to guess I would say that was the MPAA demanding a weird cut for the trailer to be "green band?" They've asked for stranger things to be adjusted in the past.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 10, 2021 15:43:13 GMT -5
It's like a project that Hollywood put on autopilot and expected to have make itself but then when they came back the next day to check on it something had gone horribly wrong... but instead of just embracing the mess they tried to save it in rather misguided ways. I don't recommend it. I think the blame goes to the folks who greenlit this thing in the first place. A genre that's been played out for about a decade starring a guy who has never been the most consistent movie star to say the very least, what could go wrong? Thing is... I would have said the same thing about The Day After Tomorrow and 2012 and San Andreas and so on and so forth but those things managed to be hits. It's like the lesson in all this is that if you're going to make a stupid movie it has to be the exact right flavor of stupid or it won't come out right.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 10, 2021 16:28:51 GMT -5
Okay, speaking of weird Geostorm-related things...I don't expect Doomsday to have insight into this one because it relates more to the movie's trailer, but:
I remember in the months leading up to the movie coming out in October 2017, the trailer was in front of quite a few movies I saw. This one right here, specifically:
So, at 1:47/1:48 in the trailer, there's a shot of Abbie Cornish's character pulling her gun on the President as she and Sturgess's character have to "kidnap" him. You can clearly see that she's holding a gun, right? Yeah. A very obvious thing, and that was so the first few times I saw the trailer. Well, at some point -- and I swear I'm not making this up -- when I saw this trailer at my local AMC maybe on two or three different occasions, that gun completely disappeared from the shot, but Cornish's hands were still held out in that stance so it looked like she was pointing an imaginary gun at the President. The first time I saw it, I laughed. The second time, I was like, "Wuuuuut...?" and now the gun is where it's supposed to be in the shot, but I'm serious -- there were a couple of times when the trailer played where it looked like she was holding an invisible gun. Was that Doomsday just fucking around with this movie even more? If I had to guess I would say that was the MPAA demanding a weird cut for the trailer to be "green band?" They've asked for stranger things to be adjusted in the past. Yeah...that makes sense. Okay, Doomsday, you're off the hook.
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