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Post by Neverending on Jul 7, 2021 2:40:09 GMT -5
Sometime between Civil War and Infinity War, Black Widow had a family reunion and was tasked with taking down the Russian Red Room. But that’s not all cause they sequel bait too!
Overall, it’s not bad. I was impressed with the dramatic scenes. They fully explored all the character’s emotional arcs and I’m sure that fans of Age of Ultron’s barnyard scenes will enjoy the intimate moments in Black Widow. But the action scenes are a bit bland. There’s really not much you can do with Black Widow that we didn’t already see in the other Marvel movies. You could argue it’s a pointless movie but it is part of the MCU’s world building so it has value in that sense.
Also, the pandemic totally ruined the end credit scene. I wouldn’t even waste my time with it. Just go home. If you watched Falcon & Winter Soldier on Disney+ it was already spoiled for you.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 8, 2021 15:36:05 GMT -5
Got my ScreenX tickets. Seeing it tonight.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 8, 2021 21:32:49 GMT -5
It was pretty good until the theater went haywire and my audience had to watch the third act without sound.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 9, 2021 3:14:46 GMT -5
It was pretty good until the theater went haywire and my audience had to watch the third act without sound. That’s the way Christopher Nolan intended.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Jul 9, 2021 5:26:24 GMT -5
It was pretty good until the theater went haywire and my audience had to watch the third act without sound. That’s the way Christopher Nolan intended. It was still more coherent than Tenet.
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Post by Jibbs on Jul 10, 2021 16:03:21 GMT -5
I liked it.
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Post by thebtskink on Jul 11, 2021 12:03:34 GMT -5
Lower tier Marvel. The family dynamics were good, David Harbour continues to win the summer, and the cgi was terrible.
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Post by mikeyb on Jul 11, 2021 17:35:46 GMT -5
Meh I thought this was disappointing tbh but I didn’t hate it. Definitely low tier Marvel. Maybe I’ll like it more on a second watch 6/10
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 11, 2021 18:34:01 GMT -5
I liked it. The character/familial stuff stood out as especially strong. More mid-tier Marvel, I would say.
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Post by Wyldstaar on Jul 11, 2021 20:57:27 GMT -5
Fairly straightforward film without many surprises, but solid nevertheless. I'd been pretty good about avoiding spoilers, but the opening credits including Olga Kurylenko however was enough for me to know the answer to the big spoiler I'd been avoiding. It's a shame that Black Widow couldn't have been released after Captain America: Civil War where it belongs.
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Post by scottysair on Jul 12, 2021 14:37:17 GMT -5
It was very good movie. I watch the movie. Hopefully they will be next Black Widow 2 in the near future. We'll find out soon enough.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 12, 2021 15:14:41 GMT -5
It was very good movie. I watch the movie. Hopefully they will be next Black Widow 2 in the near future. We'll find out soon enough. I’d rather get a Crimson Dynamo movie.
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Post by Dracula on Jul 14, 2021 23:13:25 GMT -5
Black Widow(7/11/2021)
On July 2nd 2019 the movie Spider-Man: Homecoming came out in U.S. theaters. It was the third Marvel Cinematic Universe movie of that year and was supposed to be the last one before a relatively lengthy break in the run up to the May 2020 release of the next film: a long awaited solo venture for the popular Black Widow character. Little did we know at the time that a worldwide pandemic would make that break even longer but after a 738 day wait (slightly over two years) the MCU is finally back in action. Of course one has to wonder if that delay was to the franchise’s benefit, since it gave audiences a break and built up demand, or was it to their detriment since it kind of slowed the momentum? I know that when F9: The Fast Saga opened a couple of weeks ago the former was true: a bit of extra time away broke up the monotony and made things feel fresher. That might not necessarily be the case there, in part because Marvel/Disney did spend some of the pandemic releasing Marvel themed TV shows like “Wandavision” and “The Falcon and The Winter Soldier” so we haven’t ha d a break from Marvel so much as we’ve had a break from Marvel opening weekends and also the MCU left us in kind of a weird place where we’d just had a finale with Avengers: Endgame and a partial new beginning with Spider-Man: Homecoming. So this return was a little awkward, but even if it isn’t ideal I was more than a little ready to show up during the opening weekend of Black Widow.
Black Widow opens with a fairly lengthy prologue to when Natasha Romanoff (Scarlett Johansson) was eleven or so and was apparently living in Ohio with her younger sister Yelena (Florence Pugh) and her parents Alexei (David Harbour) and Melina (Rachel Weisz), who are all apparently in the kind of deep cover situation made famous by the show “The Americans.” That mission ends pretty suddenly and the four of them go their separate ways within the world or Russian espionage with Natasha eventually becoming the agent who would be a fixture of the MCU’s first three phases. The bulk of this movie is set in 2016 and covers what Black Widow was up to while she was on the run for violating the Sokovia Accords after the events of Captain America: Civil War. During that period her attempts to lay low were apparently cut short because of her sister, who was still part of the Black Widow program and has come into contact with vials of a substance that cures a form of mind control that many of those agents have come under and tries to get this to Natasha, an action that puts both of them in the crosshairs of a ruthless and methodical assassin called The Taskmaster.
Getting Black Widow a solo movie was something of a cause célèbre around phases one and two of the MCU, in part because the whole enterprise was being criticized for its lack of female superheroes being given solo films. Personally I sympathized with the frustrations that caused that uproar more than I agreed with the proposed solution. Black Widow to me was not a terribly interesting character: essentially a super-spy rather than a true hero, her solo film was inevitably just going to be a more explosion filled version of a Bourne movie or a James Bond movie, which obviously isn’t an inherently bad thing but wasn’t necessarily what this franchise needed and in general I didn’t see any more of a need such a film than I did for a Nick Fury or Hawkeye solo effort (though we now essentially got the former through Captain Marvel and are getting the latter via a Disney+ show). That said, if they were going to make a Black Widow movie that probably would have been the time to do it and making one now, after the character already supposedly died in Avengers: Endgame (we’ll see if that lasts) is particularly head-scratching. Still there were some spots of lore to fill in and the movie does a reasonably good job of doing that by explaining some of Romanoff’s backstory and however this fits in there’s obviously could simply be an opportunity for some solid action thrills.
I will say I found the first half of this movie rather disappointing. The prologue was kind of neat (though I hated a musical choice used to transition out of it) and thought there was some promise in the setup, but something felt off about the whole thing. There was comedy, but it wasn’t as sharp and I didn’t like the film’s look, which was drab and gray even by Marvel standards. I would also say that Taskmaster was a very lame villain, a total retread of The Winder Soldier who brings nothing new to the table and had they not revealed themselves to be more of a henchman than a villain in the second half it would have been a pretty big problem. Fortunately things do improve at a certain point. Eventually the family from the prologue come together as adults and we get a sort of fun take on the dysfunctional family comedy by being given a dysfunctional family of super-spies and the comedy starts working better when David Harbour shows up as the bumbling patriarch. The second half also introduces a better villain who provides some interesting moments in the finale. Still I’m not sure I ever quite felt that Marvel magic at work. A lot of the action here felt a bit perfunctory; it had the scope of destruction from the other MCU films but the absence of actual superpowers did detract from them and the comedy never quite clicked with me.
It is of course not lost on the filmmakers that this film is trying to bring depth to a character that was rather heavily sexualized during her first couple of outings in the MCU and director Cate Shortland throws some jabs in that direction and the film’s ultimate villain is pretty clearly supposed to represent the patriarchy at its most extreme. Still these themes don’t run terribly deep and don’t feel overly unprecedented; Captain Marvel operated at a similar level but generally had more fun with it. Beyond that the whole thing just felt rather inessential both as a Marvel movie and as an action movie. It’s not a disaster or anything, go see it and you will be amused at the very least, but Marvel has raised the bar quite a bit in the last four years or so and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to hold them to their own high standards and this doesn’t really stack up. Then again, maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed the day I watched it? This is only really the second major blockbuster we got in theaters post pandemic and I must say I think F9: The Fast Saga delivered for its fans more than this one did. That movie was all kinds of stupid but it was at least interested in topping its predecessors, this one on the other hand almost felt like a contractual obligation that was fulfilled with minimal enthusiasm.
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Post by frankyt on Jul 16, 2021 7:28:17 GMT -5
They used a thigh gap double and butt double for scar Jo?!?!
I liked it. I thought the family/team dynamics were pretty great, harbour steals every scene he's in and Pugh brings a certain sarcastic energy that black widow needed badly.
Taskmaster scenes are the highlight, the fight on the bridge was really well done (if a little dark, can't decide if my theater levels were just shit or if this was a conscious choice), the whole costume was really quite neat, and the chase scene with the BMW wagon was pretty slick. Even enjoyed the other two major set pieces with the prison and the falling sky base.
The bad guy is a bit hokey but hey it's a comic book what do you expect? His motivations and things he says about girls being the biggest resource were def cringey but nothing too out of left field for marvel.
I'd give it almost a 7/10. Pretty solidly dug it territory.
Oh and a whole lot more focus on 'free will' just like lokis finale, gotta assume free will is gonna be the hot topic for the new phase(s).
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 16, 2021 22:37:17 GMT -5
In retrospect, how ironic is it that even when she's finally given her own movie, Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow often takes a backseat to or is outshone by other characters within the narrative? Pretty darn, I'd say. Also, the fact that this movie is set between Captain America: Civil War and Avengers: Infinity War is further proof that this movie is coming a couple years too late. But even then, Black Widow is still a pretty good movie. It's definitely more mid-tier Marvel, but mid-tier Marvel yields plenty of entertainment value. Where this movie really sings, though, is in its character work and depiction of its central family unit. Naturally, the film pulls the curtain back on Natasha Romanoff's backstory more than any other MCU movie before, and what we see is some pretty compelling stuff. From Florence Pugh to Rachel Weisz and especially to David Harbour, Natasha's Americans-style family unit is very colorful and interesting...and even steals Johansson's movie out from under her on more than one occasion. One thing that the MCU has been fairly consistent on is managing to build strong characters that are easy to like and root for, which is definitely the case here. Florence Pugh makes a great impression right away, as her character Yelena is a nice contrast personality-wise to Natasha while still maintaining a strong chemistry with her. I'm excited to see more of her in the future, and the same goes for David Harbour's Red Guardian. I could've just seen a movie about these characters being this family unit together without the action and been happy. So how is the action? Solid and entertaining as always. Director Cate Shortland clearly looked to Captain America: The Winter Soldier for some inspiration stylistically, as (save for the climax) a lot of these action sequences have a refreshingly grounded, or grounded-as-can-be, feel. As for the villains, they're definitely cut from the same cloth as early MCU villains, in that they're here mainly to just be people for the heroes to fight against, and when it comes to Taskmaster specifically, I felt more could've been explored. Though as is usually the case with MCU movies, the heroes and their development come first and that's ultimately what helps Black Widow succeed. The film allows Scarlett Johansson to shine one more time in this role while introducing exciting new players in Yelena and Red Guardian, and if nothing else, it's a solid and welcome return of summer blockbuster entertainment on the big screen.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 16, 2021 22:59:05 GMT -5
how ironic is it that even when she's finally given her own movie, Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow often takes a backseat to or is outshone by other characters within the narrative? Black Widow is the least interesting character in her own movie — and the Black Widow movie got overshadowed by Doomsday’s brilliantly written Loki finale.
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Post by SnoBorderZero on Jul 21, 2021 18:02:21 GMT -5
2021's movie lineup has essentially become the holdovers of 2020 movies that weren't released because of the coronavirus, and while the theatrical rollouts (in conjunction with streaming offerings) for a lot of these potential blockbusters has been encouraging if not overwhelming, all eyes were on the latest Marvel Cinematic Universe offering, Black Widow, to serve as the real barometer of where the future of theatrical distribution could potentially stand. Despite Disney electing to offer the film on streaming as well (at their premium price but still befuddling to me as to why they'd do it), Black Widow did big numbers for 2021 in its first weekend at over $80 million domestically. While Marvel films always pull in big numbers, this is also the 24th of their offerings and surrounds one of their least popular characters, so its success shouldn't be discounted. Was anyone dying for a movie about Black Widow? Probably not, but while in the end the movie does little to break the mold it also fits snugly into the formula that super producer Kevin Feige has perfected to the unprecedented success his movies have basked in. It's not going to end up being anyone's favorite entry, nor is it likely to be anyone's least favorite, but Black Widow is able to skirt around a less than innovative storyline with its well-directed action and strong performances from the cast that make it yet another worthy installment in the MCU.
Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson) is dead. At least she is in the current MCU timeline following Thanos eliminating her in Avengers: Endgame. But her standalone movie bearing the eponymous title takes place after the events of Captain America: Civil War, and while this little side trip to the past barely merits much of a footnote in the sprawling landscape of the MCU, here we are. Natasha is on the run, moving from one safe house to the next to evade the government who are hot on her heels following the events mentioned prior. She receives a message from her past containing a case of red vials, which leads to an encounter with Taskmaster (Olga Kurylenko in an odd role for her), a robot who learns its opponents' moves while fighting them. After narrowly escaping, she brings these vials to the person who sent them to her: her sister Yelena (Florence Pugh). The two haven't spoken in a long time, and they're only speaking now because Yelena's been "unlocked" after having one of these red vials release into her eyes. We learn that both Natasha and Yelena were part of a sleeper-cell group of Russian assassins controlled by Dreykov (Ray Winstone), and these vials are the only way to be relinquished from his brutal control. These elements are where Black Widow is at its weakest, falling into a familiar plot line with few surprises along the way. It all feels pretty trivial within a world of aliens and superheroes, but then again I suppose any movie focusing on Black Widow would succumb to that critique.
What helps things is the fantastic chemistry between Johansson and especially Pugh, who provides a cynical and at times mocking tone towards the Avengers and the flashy stylings that a lot of the MCU attempts to sell. Their estranged "father", Alexei/The Red Guardian (David Harbour), also provides a huge boost to the affairs with a naivety towards his abandonment of his family and a comical arrogance that's nearly impossible to not delight in. Rounding out the principal cast is their estranged "mother", Melina (Rachel Weisz), who is far and away the least interesting of the bunch and is largely wasted here. Black Widow's central theme amidst its frenetic action scenes is family, or more the lack thereof and what those ramifications have had on Natasha and Yelena. Look, this is after all an action film and an MCU one at that, so anyone expecting this film to thematically break new ground or dazzle with profound explorations of the family unit is only setting themselves up for disappointment. But Pugh and Harbour make this work well enough to break up the big action set pieces by attempting to both bring the family back together while also holding each other accountable for the initial abandonment. The movie essentially is asking even if a family isn't real, are the emotions created in the process genuine? The answer is of course yes, and the theme doesn't go much more beyond that, but it's serviceable enough.
What the movie does deliver on is the action. I have to admit that some of the fight scenes between the more powerful of the MCU characters can grow a little thin on me; once you've seen these behemoths shoot lasers at each other while simultaneously pummeling their opponent into the center of the planet, you've sort of become desensitized to it all. But in terms of pure hand-to-hand combat and practical stunt work action scenes, I'm still game, and that's the territory that Black Widow operates in. Well, mostly, I mean there was that scene of Natasha free falling past debris and fighting in the air that's pretty ridiculous, but it's also pretty dazzling and oddly fitting so it works. I suppose that's sort of the overwhelming feeling towards Black Widow: it works. This is a movie designed to entertain with big action and big laughs, and in those departments it succeeds. It's a movie that zooms by with economic proficiency, never fully justifying its existence but never making me question it either. Black Widow is an example of blockbuster escapism that demands to be seen in a theater that won't break new ground but won't have you grumbling you spent twenty bucks and part of your afternoon either. Black Widow is thrilling, funny, and does accomplish giving Black Widow a standalone story and a thematic underpinning that motivates the character as slightly more than an afterthought amidst the big guns of the franchise.
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Post by Fanible on Jul 21, 2021 18:21:35 GMT -5
how ironic is it that even when she's finally given her own movie, Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow often takes a backseat to or is outshone by other characters within the narrative? Black Widow is the least interesting character in her own movie — and the Black Widow movie got overshadowed by Doomsday’s brilliantly written Loki finale. I'm okay with this. All the better, really, as these characters are going to be returning in a greater capacity after all (assuming Johansson comes back at all, which I'm guessing she will at some point or another). Right out the gate that's a good thing, since Black Widow and Hawkeye have argueably always been the weakest links in the MCU. Not bad by any means, but nothing particularly special. Good side characters where needed, but compared to these new characters, her dad and sister are so much better. Releasing before the Loki finale was for the best. It would have been slightly annoying going from that series' finale to this. Probably would have been better released before the series altogether. Of course the release date in general is this movie's biggest downfall. This would have been perfectly placed actually after Civil War. If ever showing the MCU to new people, it's a no brainer to place this movie between Civil War and Infinity War when viewing them back to back.
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Post by IanTheCool on Jul 31, 2021 8:35:50 GMT -5
Florence Pugh makes this movie. I liked it. The storyline was formulaic and some of the action scenes were plain jane, but I still had a pretty good time. The MCU was losing me, but this reminded me that the movies may still be good.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 31, 2021 14:20:47 GMT -5
This movie was boring and not good.
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