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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 21, 2021 11:07:16 GMT -5
Probably the only major awards contender in this I've seen. Oh the shitty horror movies I watch for my girlfriend. It hasn't seen much awards love yet, but I assure you, we're getting there.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 21, 2021 11:09:49 GMT -5
Probably the only major awards contender in this I've seen. Oh the shitty horror movies I watch for my girlfriend. It hasn't seen much awards love yet, but I assure you, we're getting there. That's comforting.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 21, 2021 13:36:22 GMT -5
Worst Sound Design, Mixing, and AudioYes, Tenet is a nominee. Fuck off. Artemis Fowl: There is actually a lot of decent sound design here if we're talking about like just quirky sci-fi noises, but Artemis Fowl gains this nomination over some of the most shit ADR I've ever heard in my life. And there is a ton of it here, so much so that it seems evident that entire plot elements or chunks of dialogue were changed in post without reshoots. Getting the worst of it is the main character, Artemis Fowl, who's vocal pitch can change mid-sentence at various points in the film, likely because the actor hit puberty during the post process. It's jarring and awful. Axcellerator: Low key productions like this usually have restrained audio design and cheesy stock sound effects to save money. Axcellerator is definitely one of those films, which isn't entirely something we should crucify it for. If you have a budget, you have a budget. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a very muted sounding movie. Ouija Shark: Not being a professional production, it's no surprise that Ouija Shark contains audio issues, from drained sound to cheesy sound effects. Pointing out the various audio quality problems in the film is like shooting fish in a barrel so we'll just say the entire thing is one big giant mess. Skylin3s: Skylin3s is probably the noisiest of the Skyline movies, which puts a lot of clanging "PSHEEEW" noises in your ears. But the big offender of the film is the sound design on the humanoid alien friendlies that fight alongside the heroes. The movie tries to give the impression that they have their own language, as the film subtitles them in their conversation, but closer inspection makes it clear the movie is just fucking lazy. The aliens talk normal dialogue, just lower, muffled, and garbled in an attempt to make it sound like an alien language. It sounds absolutely ridiculous, and it grows tiresome. Tenet: You can bitch at me all you want for nominating this, but I know for a fact that there are two separate audio experiences for this movie because I've heard both of them. The first was a garbled up disaster, so blaring that it turned an already convoluted movie into muffled incoherent nonsense. Even scenes where music wasn't blaring had foul dialogue audio that was hard to hear. And chances are when you hear someone complain about the audio in this movie, they're talking about this mix, because I recognize all the complaints in it. I suspect after complaints arose, someone might have subdued the audio to make it less aggressive, leading to a more followable film and a bunch of pricks saying "It wasn't THAT bad! Totally overblown!" It's still not an objectively good mix, with long sequences of muffled dialogue, but it's far better than the one I heard initially. And for that blaring nightmare, Tenet is here rightfully. And the Marty goes to...Most of the audio issues I bring up here at the very least add to certain aesthetic of the movie, and in cases like Axcellerator and Ouija Shark, add to the charm. And also Christopher Nolan doing whatever the fuck he does and blaming other people for his thunderous noise. Artemis Fowl's ADR, however, is just killing me. The movie has so much evidence in that added audio that this movie was falling apart in post and was stitched together like a Frankenstein Monster. The movie is scarred in its audio and we'll always be able to hear it.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 21, 2021 19:05:39 GMT -5
Most Overrated Film of the YearYes, Tenet is still nominated. Continue fucking off. Becky: Becky didn't exactly gain huge praise this year, but the fact that garnered any praise at all is just sad. A lot of its positive reception relied on "It's exactly what a genre fan wants." Bitch, if you think a genre fan wants movies like Becky, you don't understand genre fans, and practically every one that I have met has hated this movie. While the film is shameless in its violence and gore, it's unlikeable protagonist and cruel tone destroys any sort of sense of fun it's going for. While it's themes are noted and appreciated, the script is so underdone that it's nothing but a bare bones idea trying to flesh itself out with violence and hoping it wins points on that. It's not what a genre fan wants. It's what outsiders think we want based on limited understanding and without actual effort to get its premise right. Freaky: Freaky is a bit in the same boat as Becky, but luckily it's a much better movie. The problem is it's just stale and not creative enough. Vince Vaughn acting like a teenage girl might have been funny if it were 2002 and I were still in high school, but it's hard to find much joy in the body switching premise unless you think a tiny blonde girl killing people is edgy for some reason (please, I've seen every episode of Buffy, thank you). Most called it hilarious (no, it isn't) and a lot of fun (not really, no). The leads in the movie are good, but that's really all the praise I can place on it. Freaky Friday has more edge to it that this lame movie. The Old Guard: The Old Guard stirred up some praise toward the start of the pandemic for being a comic based action film during a film drought. Me thinks we were a little starved for content, because The Old Guard is a nothing movie that plays with some fun concepts but does little with them, offering action scenes that don't quite thrill and an overall boring storyline that leads us down into the depths of "Who gives a shit." It almost feels like Netflix should stop making action movies, because they clearly suck at it. Sonic the Hedgehog: Sonic the Hedgehog is in many ways one of the shittiest movies of the year. It's that classic bullshit narrative of taking a fantasy character out of their fantasy world and putting them into reality because "relatable," I guess. I could give it something of a pass for being an okay children's movie, but the honest to god truth is that I don't want my kids watching a movie about a creepy hedgehog who looks in through some dude's bedroom window, makes him out to be a make-believe best friend, and then gets all bitchy about when he finds out the guy he's pretend friends with is moving away to start a career, because staying here with the creepy hedgehog who watches you fuck your girlfriend is more important. I'm starting to think this movie is unhealthy. Tenet: A neat premise idea that was easy to convolute, and Christopher Nolan is all "Hold my beer" and finds ways to make it more confusing while actually presenting a simple plot within it. Tenet is a decent movie, but for Nolan it's a weak effort in his filmography. Most would find it easy to cite it as the best of the year because in some ways it feels like one of the only films of the year. But while I enjoyed the movie, for me, it's hardly a blip. And the Marty goes to...Motherfucker, you've yet to see me really start ranting about this fucking movie.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 21, 2021 20:49:36 GMT -5
If anything I'd argue Tenet is underrated. It's met such hostility online despite all the wonderfully creative, exciting, and innovative pieces it makes my head spin.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 21, 2021 23:13:28 GMT -5
And the Marty goes to...Motherfucker, you've yet to see me really start ranting about this fucking movie.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 22, 2021 3:48:10 GMT -5
If anything I'd argue Tenet is underrated. It's met such hostility online despite all the wonderfully creative, exciting, and innovative pieces it makes my head spin. If anything there should be more hostility.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 22, 2021 9:35:28 GMT -5
Most Underrated Film of the YearSo let's define what I consider to be underrated, this list is a group of films that saw negative reception but were mostly kicked around for little to no reason except being easy targets. Some would argue these films are the worst of the year, I would argue those who would label them as such are sheltered and wouldn't know a genuine bad movie if it bit them in the ass. To an extent one could argue a film like Birds of Prey belongs on this list due to review bombing from Snyder Cut dickheads accusing the film of being "woke" just because it has women in it. But reviews of the film were actually fairly kind outside of a few ranty YouTubers who thought Sonic the Hedgehog was a good movie for some stupid reason. These are the ones that I didn't feel I wasted time on, though others disagreed. Artemis Fowl: Not a great movie by any stretch of the imagination, but I keep thinking back to the movie I watched and reflecting on its 8% Rotten Tomatoes score and think "Really?" Part of my comprehension problem seems to be that I never read the Artemis Fowl book series. That came out a bit after my time and I'm certainly not going to catch up now that I'm in my 30's, but this movie seemed flawed but harmless to me. And while I'm not going to go up to bat too hard for this movie, one lens I find myself looking at this movie through is whether or not I would have liked this movie if I were ten years old. I probably would have, but I probably would have read the book too, so chances are I would have been furious if that was the case. The Call of the Wild: This is one of the better received movies on this list, but it's also one I doubt many people bothered with because the CGI in the movie became a pretty hardcore meme. That being said, the narrative works well and Harrison Ford surprisingly commits to treating that guy in a green suit like a dog. People who are into schmaltzy, feels movies will have a good time with this movie, even if hardcore movie fans don't give a shit about it. The New Mutants: There is little to say about this long delayed movie except it got bullied hard because of all that blood in the water. The movie is pretty watchable and even somewhat entertaining, even if it isn't the movie that would have magically saved the X-Men franchise. But any critic who says it's the worst when Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix are floating around doesn't deserve to be listened to. Underwater: Underwater is a film inherited by Disney from Fox that they kind of drowned in January. And really, I don't think many dudebro genre fans were keen to see a deep sea Alien knockoff starring the chick from Twilight, when she couldn't even carry a reboot of Charlie's Angels. While not exactly misunderstood, I think Underwater probably deserved more people pointing in its direction than it got, because there is enough here that is interesting, and while it is a bit rapid and chaotic (likely intentionally so), it has good moments of excitement. Critics were pretty lukewarm about the film overall, but they should have been pushing harder for genre fans to give it a watch. WW84: A very recent example of a film's underwhelming reception that snowballed from the good will of the previous (though no film will likely top the "fucking bullshit" feeling people had when they saw Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen), WW84 is a fairly warm and pleasant film experience that works well in a family setting, likely away from internet nerds who tend to get bitchy about details. While its definitely a letdown compared to the previous film, people I've watched it with all had positive things to say about it and after every viewing I remain largely firm in my "Good, not great" feeling. That there are people who don't enjoy it doesn't surprise me, but there needs to be more credit that's due that this film never quite received. And the Marty goes to...Here's the thing, 2020 brought us a lot of movies a studio was willing to burn on streaming deals or low box office, probably with good reason. Movies like Call of the Wild or WW84 I can look at criticisms and say "Tough, but fair." For Artemis Fowl and New Mutants someone could back me into a corner and ask "Well yeah, but do you recommend it?" and I'd respond "I...don't...not...recommend it." Then there is Underwater, which is the title I keep coming back to. It's not so much that it's reception was bad, it just seemed dismissive. Criticisms are fair, and I shared them, then the movie just came and went with little fanfare, and this was pre-pandemic when low box office wasn't a given. And here is the thing about Underwater, is that while it's not one of the more memorable movies of the year, it's probably the 2020 film with the most cult potential. Not really in an Evil Dead sense, but more in an Event Horizon sense, where you can see why this movie failed, but eventually people will come out of the woodwork who really enjoy it. And people are already coming out and saying "Hey, this is pretty good actually." While I didn't necessarily love the movie, I'd be open to watching it again, and I think people are becoming fond of it for a reason. And it's also the one of the few movies this year that I would say that if you haven't seen it, you should probably give it a shot. You might really like it.
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Post by Dracula on Apr 22, 2021 10:58:21 GMT -5
Most Underrated Film of the YearSo let's define what I consider to be underrated, this list is a group of films that saw negative reception but were mostly kicked around for little to no reason except being easy targets. Some would argue these films are the worst of the year, I would argue those who would label them as such are sheltered and wouldn't know a genuine bad movie if it bit them in the ass. To an extent one could argue a film like Birds of Prey belongs on this list due to review bombing from Snyder Cut dickheads accusing the film of being "woke" just because it has women in it. But reviews of the film were actually fairly kind outside of a few ranty YouTubers who thought Sonic the Hedgehog was a good movie for some stupid reason. These are the ones that I didn't feel I wasted time on, though others disagreed. Artemis Fowl: Not a great movie by any stretch of the imagination, but I keep thinking back to the movie I watched and reflecting on its 8% Rotten Tomatoes score and think "Really?" Part of my comprehension problem seems to be that I never read the Artemis Fowl book series. That came out a bit after my time and I'm certainly not going to catch up now that I'm in my 30's, but this movie seemed flawed but harmless to me. And while I'm not going to go up to bat too hard for this movie, one lens I find myself looking at this movie through is whether or not I would have liked this movie if I were ten years old. I probably would have, but I probably would have read the book too, so chances are I would have been furious if that was the case. The Call of the Wild: This is one of the better received movies on this list, but it's also one I doubt many people bothered with because the CGI in the movie became a pretty hardcore meme. That being said, the narrative works well and Harrison Ford surprisingly commits to treating that guy in a green suit like a dog. People who are into schmaltzy, feels movies will have a good time with this movie, even if hardcore movie fans don't give a shit about it. The New Mutants: There is little to say about this long delayed movie except it got bullied hard because of all that blood in the water. The movie is pretty watchable and even somewhat entertaining, even if it isn't the movie that would have magically saved the X-Men franchise. But any critic who says it's the worst when Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix are floating around doesn't deserve to be listened to. Underwater: Underwater is a film inherited by Disney from Fox that they kind of drowned in January. And really, I don't think many dudebro genre fans were keen to see a deep sea Alien knockoff starring the chick from Twilight, when she couldn't even carry a reboot of Charlie's Angels. While not exactly misunderstood, I think Underwater probably deserved more people pointing in its direction than it got, because there is enough here that is interesting, and while it is a bit rapid and chaotic (likely intentionally so), it has good moments of excitement. Critics were pretty lukewarm about the film overall, but they should have been pushing harder for genre fans to give it a watch. WW84: A very recent example of a film's underwhelming reception that snowballed from the good will of the previous (though no film will likely top the "fucking bullshit" feeling people had when they saw Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen), WW84 is a fairly warm and pleasant film experience that works well in a family setting, likely away from internet nerds who tend to get bitchy about details. While its definitely a letdown compared to the previous film, people I've watched it with all had positive things to say about it and after every viewing I remain largely firm in my "Good, not great" feeling. That there are people who don't enjoy it doesn't surprise me, but there needs to be more credit that's due that this film never quite received. And the Marty goes to...Here's the thing, 2020 brought us a lot of movies a studio was willing to burn on streaming deals or low box office, probably with good reason. Movies like Call of the Wild or WW84 I can look at criticisms and say "Tough, but fair." For Artemis Fowl and New Mutants someone could back me into a corner and ask "Well yeah, but do you recommend it?" and I'd respond "I...don't...not...recommend it." Then there is Underwater, which is the title I keep coming back to. It's not so much that it's reception was bad, it just seemed dismissive. Criticisms are fair, and I shared them, then the movie just came and went with little fanfare, and this was pre-pandemic when low box office wasn't a given. And here is the thing about Underwater, is that while it's not one of the more memorable movies of the year, it's probably the 2020 film with the most cult potential. Not really in an Evil Dead sense, but more in an Event Horizon sense, where you can see why this movie failed, but eventually people will come out of the woodwork who really enjoy it. And people are already coming out and saying "Hey, this is pretty good actually." While I didn't necessarily love the movie, I'd be open to watching it again, and I think people are becoming fond of it for a reason. And it's also the one of the few movies this year that I would say that if you haven't seen it, you should probably give it a shot. You might really like it. I would also say Artemis Fowl was "mostly harmless," not that much worse than a lot of second rate YA adaptations that are out there. The New Mutants was also not quite as embarrassing as its backstory would suggest, though it does fall apart when the CGI monster comes in at the end. WW84 on the other hand... I mean it's better than those other two movies but its also not particularly underrated, it has its defenders.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 22, 2021 11:24:22 GMT -5
Wonder Woman's reception was divisive more than anything. The film has defenders, but there is a rotten RT score going against it and a middling Metacritic, while also getting review bombed for fun on IMDB. I'd compare it being underrated in the same sense I'd say Man of Steel is underrated. I can understand having qualms with that movie, but it's like...c'mon. Compare what WW84 has going against it to, say, Tenet, which PG Cooper thinks is underrated for some reason. The movie has a pretty steady fresh RT score and a lot of people really like it. People can aggressively go at it, but they're definitely in a vocal minority in a sea of positivity.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 22, 2021 11:36:32 GMT -5
Wonder Woman's reception was divisive more than anything. The film has defenders, but there is a rotten RT score going against it and a middling Metacritic, while also getting review bombed for fun on IMDB. I'd compare it being underrated in the same sense I'd say Man of Steel is underrated. I can understand having qualms with that movie, but it's like...c'mon. Compare what WW84 has going against it to, say, Tenet, which PG Cooper thinks is underrated for some reason. The movie has a pretty steady fresh RT score and a lot of people really like it. People can aggressively go at it, but they're definitely in a vocal minority in a sea of positivity. I didn't say Tenet was underrated, I said it hues closer to underrated than over. This is all relative, obviously, but social media circles I travel in love to cut the film down and even a lot of the defenders are like "It's just big dumb fun" as if it's a Fast and Furious movie or something. Then there's the wave of Youtube videos acting like the movie is some sort of colossal failure, or the general "when will Chris Nolan make something smaller again", which seems entirely shortsighted to me given no other auteur filmmaker is working at the scale Nolan is with consistently impressive results.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 22, 2021 11:38:50 GMT -5
It's a fact of life that people who are negative about something are always going to be louder than positive. That's why Neverending has a billion posts on record.
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Post by Doomsday on Apr 22, 2021 12:45:58 GMT -5
Godzilla, you can put Tenet on my film club list, I still haven't seen it.
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Post by Dracula on Apr 22, 2021 12:56:39 GMT -5
Godzilla, you can put Tenet on my film club list, I still haven't seen it. So you can copy the wikipedia summery as your review?
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 22, 2021 13:02:17 GMT -5
Godzilla, you can put Tenet on my film club list, I still haven't seen it. So you can copy the wikipedia summery as your review? "Wikipedia? The online encyclopedia built on free sharing and exchange of information launched in January of 2001 by Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger?" Look Mom, I'm just like Doomsday
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Post by thebtskink on Apr 22, 2021 13:44:28 GMT -5
Of Tenet's many faults, too much exposition isn't one of them.
I still have no idea what happened.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 22, 2021 13:49:12 GMT -5
I think Doomsday watching Money Plane is more important than Doomsday watching Tenet. And PG Cooper watching 365 Days is more important than both.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 22, 2021 13:51:13 GMT -5
I think Doomsday watching Money Plane is more important than Doomsday watching Tenet. And PG Cooper watching 365 Days is more important than both. Is that the Russian Mafia 50 Shades of Grey?
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I think Doomsday watching Money Plane is more important than Doomsday watching Tenet. And PG Cooper watching 365 Days is more important than both. Is that the Russian Mafia 50 Shades of Grey? If by Russian Mafia 50 Shades of Grey you mean the most rapey remake of Beauty and the Beast ever made then yes.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 22, 2021 13:57:43 GMT -5
Is that the Russian Mafia 50 Shades of Grey? If by Russian Mafia 50 Shades of Grey you mean the most rapey remake of Beauty and the Beast ever made then yes. Charming. I do actually have an idea for the two of us next time we get partnered up.
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Worst MusicI'm not the most adept when it comes to music. I like some music, I hate other music, and I don't really dwell on that. Because of this, when it comes to both score and soundtrack, I feel the need to lump them both into one section. To me there isn't too much of a distinction. I could say I like the music in the movie Daredevil, and someone would say "I thought the score sucked" and I'd respond "No, not that. That Evanescence song was awesome." 365 Days: Let me equate listening to the music in 365 Days like this: Imagine some dude rolling up in his compensating-for-small-dick-mobile with woofers pulsing. He gets out of the car, still listening to his music, wearing sunglasses with this douchy look of "Oh yeah, I'm the sexiest thing alive and I'm ready for some pussAAAAAAAAY!" yet you know in the back of your head this man he's not going to feel the inside of a vagina anytime soon because you feel if you just brush up against him you're going to catch some sort of disease. The soundtrack to this movie is what's playing on his stereo. Antebellum: The more I think over the score to Antebellum in my head and the more I feel puzzled by it. It's so...big. Like absurdly big. Like the movie wants to make you feel RAW EMOTIONAL POWER but the movie is missing its mark just enough for the score to feel almost hilariously overblown. If the movie worked better, it might not be an issue, but it just gets lost and the music seems more like a distraction than meaningful. Money Plane: I'm not the most organized when it comes to this. Like in my notes I just wrote "Money Plane" and for the life of me I couldn't remember why. I had to rewatch clips from that movie to remind me of what kind of music was in it. Some music is more memorable than others. I think my thinking on the matter was that the music in Money Plane is that director Andrew Lawrence asked his composer for generic action music, but generic to the point that it's borderline parody (because honestly, Money Plane is borderline parody in general). Every stereotypical action movie beat is used, ad nauseam and much dumber sounding. It's a trashy score for a trashy movie. Tulsa: Tulsa is a faith movie, which means it goes full blown Christian schmaltz on the viewer. It's just so cheesy and so cringe, that it's hard to really say much more about it. The War with Grandpa: I'm not sure I can adequately describe just how weird the score in The War with Grandpa is. I described Money Plane as borderline parody, but I think War with Grandpa is just a full parody. There are these certain cues that come out of nowhere that feel like the movie is making fun of other movies. For example, there are several moments with Robert De Niro just being Robert De Niro and the music plays lite mafia movie cues, because he's that guy who does Scorsese movies I guess. I just remember the score to this movie being really distracting, but on the plus side sometimes it was just loud enough to drown out the jokes. And the Marty goes to...SnoBorderZero recommended I watch this movie. I'm pretty sure that means he's the man I described in my description above.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 22, 2021 19:33:35 GMT -5
::1godzillafan returns to stage:: The time has come to name the next Hurts So Good nominee and we have an oh-so-special one for you this time. It's just not a so-bad-it's good category unless Nicolas Cage gets a shout out, as his batshit performances has brought all of us so much joy throughout the years. And he gave us one of his finest this year, with a wacky take on both martial arts and alien invasion. Folks, if you want Cage going full blown scenery chewing while swinging a sword around, have we got a movie for you. Please give a warm welcome to our next Hurts So Good nominee... While DC and Marvel both debated on bailing on 2020, we actually had a pretty decent slew of comic book based films released even without them. Netflix released two boring "action" movies based on comics on their service with Extraction and The Old Guard while theater saw the release of the bizarre thriller The Empty Man. Probably the weirdest and most obscure comic adaptation we saw in 2020 was Jiu Jitsu, based on a comic created by the film's own director, Dimitri Logothetis several years prior. In the DNA of this story you can feel a half dozen "homages" to far more popular works as it's basically just Mortal Kombat meets Predator. The idea is that every six years an alien comes to Earth through a portal and battles chosen warriors and if he wins, his race is allowed to conquer the Earth. Combatants in this film include Frank Grillo, Tony Jaa, and, of course, the always incredible Nicolas Cage. Jiu Jitsu is a movie that is almost as crazy as Cage's performance, with low budget yet energetic action, a neat alien design, and even the guy who played Darnell on My Name is Earl. Jiu Jitsu is the gift that keeps on giving for the bad film lover, and for my money it's probably the most rewarding comic book film experience of the year.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 22, 2021 21:08:50 GMT -5
Haven't even heard of that one.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 22, 2021 21:39:40 GMT -5
Haven't even heard of that one. It's on Netflix. You're out of excuses.
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Post by thebtskink on Apr 22, 2021 21:40:34 GMT -5
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