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Post by Neverending on Dec 27, 2020 0:00:00 GMT -5
This would have worked perfectly fine as a six issue run of the ongoing Wonder Woman comics. “I want a comic book movie that’s nothing like the comic book. #ReleaseTheSnyderCut” There’s like 4 Transformers movies that disagree. |
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Post by frankyt on Dec 27, 2020 10:20:24 GMT -5
The more you think about it the worse the movie gets. All you gotta do is rescind it? That's it? This god of deception has no other recourse after that? Have they even seen wishmaster? Where was the toll? How much did they pay?
Oh right nothing.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 27, 2020 10:29:52 GMT -5
The more you think about it the worse the movie gets. All you gotta do is rescind it? That's it? This god of deception has no other recourse after that? Have they even seen wishmaster? Where was the toll? How much did they pay? Also they needed literally everyone in the world to rescind their wishes? And every does? There's no way in hell that there wouldn't be at least a couple of shitheads who stubbornly stick by their wishes. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Dec 27, 2020 11:05:16 GMT -5
The more you think about it the worse the movie gets. All you gotta do is rescind it? That's it? This god of deception has no other recourse after that? Have they even seen wishmaster? Where was the toll? How much did they pay? Oh right nothing. Convenient. It's a McGuffin. It does whatever the screenwriter needs it to do, how it needs to be done. Lord's plan is obviously flawed from the start. They make it clear that he's been researching the McGuffin for a long time, so he has to know everything that Diana and Barbara are able to figure out over the weekend. He's had years to contemplate how to ensure that using it to get what he wants won't screw him over, or bring about the end of civilization. It could have been done, too. If Max had just tricked one person into wishing there was oil where he needed it to be and let it end there, he'd have been good to go. Seal the McGuffin in a big block of resin and drop it into the Marianas Trench. Business partner goes to jail for tax evasion while he becomes the wealthiest oil tycoon in the Western world.
Sure, I realize that wasn't the point of the story they were trying to tell. The problem is that the screenwriter has already established that Max knows full well that the McGuffin is going to screw over the person making a wish, and that this thing leaves nothing but destruction and chaos in it's wake. If they wanted to tell the story of someone being consumed by the quest for power, then he shouldn't have known what he was getting into. All that needed to be done was have him learn what it can do the same way Diana and Barbara do. It still wouldn't have been a very good movie IMO, but at least it would have made more sense. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Dec 27, 2020 11:20:41 GMT -5
The more you think about it the worse the movie gets. All you gotta do is rescind it? That's it? This god of deception has no other recourse after that? Have they even seen wishmaster? Where was the toll? How much did they pay? Also they needed literally everyone in the world to rescind their wishes? And every does? There's no way in hell that there wouldn't be at least a couple of shitheads who stubbornly stick by their wishes. I'm sure there probably were some who didn't renounce their wish. The problem was that everyone's wishes were conflicting with one another, and that some were huge while others were simple. Some guy who wishes for a giant pile of cocaine on his desk isn't going to throw the world into chaos. He's just going to OD and die. Someone who wishes for a Porshe is just going to wreck it because he doesn't know how to drive a Porshe. People do that all the time IRL.
The people who made the major, world changing wishes wound up regretting them the most, and were far more likely to renounce them. |
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Post by Dracula on Dec 27, 2020 11:24:33 GMT -5
Also they needed literally everyone in the world to rescind their wishes? And every does? There's no way in hell that there wouldn't be at least a couple of shitheads who stubbornly stick by their wishes. I'm sure there probably were some who didn't renounce their wish. The problem was that everyone's wishes were conflicting with one another, and that some were huge while others were simple. Some guy who wishes for a giant pile of cocaine on his desk isn't going to throw the world into chaos. He's just going to OD and die. Someone who wishes for a Porshe is just going to wreck it because he doesn't know how to drive a Porshe. People do that all the time IRL.
The people who made the major, world changing wishes wound up regretting them the most, and were far more likely to renounce them. But there almost certainly would have been someone who would have wished for some sort of genocide or something who wouldn't have taken it back. We can't even get people to take fucking vaccines and yet we're supposed to believe the people of the world are going to uniformly rise to bidding of their better angels. Nah.
Also, why didn't the bad guy just get someone to wish Diana was dead? |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Dec 27, 2020 11:41:15 GMT -5
I'm sure there probably were some who didn't renounce their wish. The problem was that everyone's wishes were conflicting with one another, and that some were huge while others were simple. Some guy who wishes for a giant pile of cocaine on his desk isn't going to throw the world into chaos. He's just going to OD and die. Someone who wishes for a Porshe is just going to wreck it because he doesn't know how to drive a Porshe. People do that all the time IRL.
The people who made the major, world changing wishes wound up regretting them the most, and were far more likely to renounce them. But there almost certainly would have been someone who would have wished for some sort of genocide or something who wouldn't have taken it back. We can't even get people to take fucking vaccines and yet we're supposed to believe the people of the world are going to uniformly rise to bidding of their better angels. Nah.
Also, why didn't the bad guy just get someone to wish Diana was dead? Getting someone to wish Diana dead is not exactly an easy manipulation. Max is a con artist. His experience is in manipulating people's already existing desires to his own benefit. I suspect that most people upon seeing Wonder Woman have something very different from her death on their minds when it comes to their wishes about her. |
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Post by Dracula on Dec 27, 2020 12:08:51 GMT -5
But there almost certainly would have been someone who would have wished for some sort of genocide or something who wouldn't have taken it back. We can't even get people to take fucking vaccines and yet we're supposed to believe the people of the world are going to uniformly rise to bidding of their better angels. Nah.
Also, why didn't the bad guy just get someone to wish Diana was dead? Getting someone to wish Diana dead is not exactly an easy manipulation. Max is a con artist. His experience is in manipulating people's already existing desires to his own benefit. I suspect that most people upon seeing Wonder Woman have something very different from her death on their minds when it comes to their wishes about her. Yeah, but by the end he's basically just walking up to military and secret service people and having them wish for pretty much anything for him. He could have just gone up to one and said "this woman is attacking the base, don't you wish she was dead." |
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Post by Fanible on Dec 27, 2020 13:02:32 GMT -5
Still processing a little, but I'd say I'm leaning more toward the positive side. Not as good as the first for sure, but still plenty fun in its own right. I thought it was alright myself don't really get the hate 6.5/10 I dunno, I kinda liked it. Yes, the central conceit felt like the premise of a Ducktales cartoon, but I was still mostly entertained. But maybe just startved for movies.  |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Dec 27, 2020 13:18:09 GMT -5
Anybody who uses a Zoolander gif and I will never see eye to eye. I personally thought they should have alluded that Barbara never rescinded her wish at the end. That way they could have done more with Cheetah in a third film. |
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Post by Fanible on Dec 27, 2020 13:21:43 GMT -5
Anybody who uses a Zoolander gif and I will never see eye to eye. If you want to admit that you actually really enjoyed this movie, by all means. |
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Post by Fanible on Dec 27, 2020 13:26:21 GMT -5
This about sums it up for me, almost point for point:
Guys, I know we haven't been able to see a lot of new movies lately, but come on. If Wonder Woman was Tim Burton's Batman, WW84 is Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin. If I didn't already know it, I would have been shocked to learn the same director made both the 2017 and 2020 films.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 27, 2020 13:41:07 GMT -5
If Wonder Woman was Tim Burton's Batman, WW84 is Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin. If I didn't already know it, I would have been shocked to learn the same director made both the 2017 and 2020 films. That's a bit harsh, I'd say it's more on par with maybe Iron Man 2 or Spider-Man 3, a sloppy high on its own supply sequel that still manages to be watchable despite being kind of a mess. |
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 27, 2020 13:43:17 GMT -5
Hey Chris Nolan, THIS is how you make a superhero film. Talk about a great ride. It was fun, had a fantastic and grounded story and most importantly had deep and charismatic villains. WW84 is what superhero movies are all about and it’s time that Nolan and Snyder took note. Sorry boys but the future is female!!
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Post by Fanible on Dec 27, 2020 13:48:26 GMT -5
If Wonder Woman was Tim Burton's Batman, WW84 is Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin. If I didn't already know it, I would have been shocked to learn the same director made both the 2017 and 2020 films. That's a bit harsh I was thinking I might have been too kind. |
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Post by Wyldstaar on Dec 27, 2020 13:49:49 GMT -5
Getting someone to wish Diana dead is not exactly an easy manipulation. Max is a con artist. His experience is in manipulating people's already existing desires to his own benefit. I suspect that most people upon seeing Wonder Woman have something very different from her death on their minds when it comes to their wishes about her. Yeah, but by the end he's basically just walking up to military and secret service people and having them wish for pretty much anything for him. He could have just gone up to one and said "this woman is attacking the base, don't you wish she was dead." If you saw Wonder Woman tearing up the White House, would you be thinking about killing her? Is that what would be going through your mind? Seeing her drop dead is certainly not the first thing that comes to my mind when I look at Wonder Woman, no matter what she's doing. |
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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 27, 2020 13:55:52 GMT -5
Can we please change the thread to the movie's proper title?
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Post by Neverending on Dec 27, 2020 13:59:47 GMT -5
If Wonder Woman was Tim Burton's Batman, WW84 is Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin. If I didn't already know it, I would have been shocked to learn the same director made both the 2017 and 2020 films. That's a bit harsh, I'd say it's more on par with maybe Iron Man 2 or Spider-Man 3, a sloppy high on its own supply sequel that still manages to be watchable despite being kind of a mess. I’m with Dracula. |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Dec 27, 2020 14:19:28 GMT -5
Angry Joe thought the Sonic movie was a masterpiece.
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Post by Fanible on Dec 27, 2020 14:40:06 GMT -5
That's a bit harsh, I'd say it's more on par with maybe Iron Man 2 or Spider-Man 3, a sloppy high on its own supply sequel that still manages to be watchable despite being kind of a mess. I’m with Dracula. just put the movie on par with two of your favorite films, so I suppose that makes sense. |
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Post by Neverending on Dec 27, 2020 15:11:32 GMT -5
Dracula just put the movie on par with two of your favorite films, so I suppose that makes sense. Yes |
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Post by 1godzillafan on Dec 27, 2020 15:25:45 GMT -5
Spider-Man 3 > WW84 > Batman & Robin > Tim Burton's Batman > Iron Man 2 > Batman Returns
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 27, 2020 16:23:27 GMT -5
Spider-Man 3 < WW84 < The Avengers (1998) < Blues Brothers 2000 < Last Vegas
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Post by 1godzillafan on Dec 27, 2020 16:55:20 GMT -5
Spider-Man 3 < WW84 < The Avengers (1998) < Blues Brothers 2000 < Last Vegas You forgot to rank Fantasy Island, you hack! |
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Post by Dracula on Dec 27, 2020 18:42:58 GMT -5
Another thing.... what the hell was the point of that opening sequence on the island? Did that have anything to do with the story that came after? Even thematically?
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